States Enforcing Federal Immigration Law

[PhilipBrown]

A great option that President Trump is completely neglecting is enforcing immigration law by creating executive orders that allow states to act as immigration deputies of the executive branch. The states would be allowed to create their own immigration enforcement tools to arrest or fine anyone trespassing on their land. If states were given immigration enforcement powers, they could arrest the illegal immigrants, fine them for trespassing, and then hold them for the federal government to deport them. After all, the states would be agents of the federal government

No one is suggesting that the federal government force the states or local governments to do anything regarding immigration. President Trump has the power to ALLOW states and local governments to help enforce immigration laws IF THEY WANT TO. So, if the state of Arizona want to enact a law that gives police officers the ability to question drivers about their immigration status during traffic stops, they can. If the city of Farmer's Branch wants to enact a law requiring landlords to check the immigration status of their tenants, they can. If the state of California wants to totally ignore immigration law, they can.

A few years back, a number of states and cities started creating dozens of laws to enforce immigration. The main reason why states are currently unable to enforce immigration law is because President Obama said that he did not want them to help, and the Supreme Court said that the Constitution give the federal government (ie. current President) broad exclusive powers to decided who can and cannot enforce immigration law. There is nothing that prevent President Trump from creating a program where the federal, state, and local governments can work together on immigration if they want and then give the state and local government the flexibility to decided how they want to enforce it. Thank of it as 287(g) on steroids.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The states are not authorized under the Constitution to enforce immigration laws, and Trump does not have the Constitutional power to issue EOs that violate the Constitution.

 

[JGalt]

A great option that President Trump is completely neglecting is enforcing immigration law by creating executive orders that allow states to act as immigration deputies of the executive branch. The states would be allowed to create their own immigration enforcement tools to arrest or fine anyone trespassing on their land. If states were given immigration enforcement powers, they could arrest the illegal immigrants, fine them for trespassing, and then hold them for the federal government to deport them. After all, the states would be agents of the federal government

No one is suggesting that the federal government force the states or local governments to do anything regarding immigration. President Trump has the power to ALLOW states and local governments to help enforce immigration laws IF THEY WANT TO. So, if the state of Arizona want to enact a law that gives police officers the ability to question drivers about their immigration status during traffic stops, they can. If the city of Farmer's Branch wants to enact a law requiring landlords to check the immigration status of their tenants, they can. If the state of California wants to totally ignore immigration law, they can.

A few years back, a number of states and cities started creating dozens of laws to enforce immigration. The main reason why states are currently unable to enforce immigration law is because President Obama said that he did not want them to help, and the Supreme Court said that the Constitution give the federal government (ie. current President) broad exclusive powers to decided who can and cannot enforce immigration law. There is nothing that prevent President Trump from creating a program where the federal, state, and local governments can work together on immigration if they want and then give the state and local government the flexibility to decided how they want to enforce it. Thank of it as 287(g) on steroids.

I'm all for state's rights, but what happens when states like California refuse to enforce any immigration laws? Doesn't this go against the idea that the government's main function is to protect its citizens?

BTW: I've been to Farmer's Branch. Nice little town, I used to live in Irving before it was overrun by all of the crackheads they inherited after Hurricane Katrina.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Following our immigration laws does not violate the Constitution, nor does the arrest and removal of illegals. Sates can and should follow the law.

 

[william the wie]

Following our immigration laws does not violate the Constitution, nor does the arrest and removal of illegals. Sates can and should follow the law.

but an EO would permit cities and states to drive illegals to felon friendly jurisdictions at low cost and punish the sanctuary jurisdictions mightily.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

A great option that President Trump is completely neglecting is enforcing immigration law by creating executive orders that allow states to act as immigration deputies of the executive branch. The states would be allowed to create their own immigration enforcement tools to arrest or fine anyone trespassing on their land. If states were given immigration enforcement powers, they could arrest the illegal immigrants, fine them for trespassing, and then hold them for the federal government to deport them. After all, the states would be agents of the federal government

No one is suggesting that the federal government force the states or local governments to do anything regarding immigration. President Trump has the power to ALLOW states and local governments to help enforce immigration laws IF THEY WANT TO. So, if the state of Arizona want to enact a law that gives police officers the ability to question drivers about their immigration status during traffic stops, they can. If the city of Farmer's Branch wants to enact a law requiring landlords to check the immigration status of their tenants, they can. If the state of California wants to totally ignore immigration law, they can.

A few years back, a number of states and cities started creating dozens of laws to enforce immigration. The main reason why states are currently unable to enforce immigration law is because President Obama said that he did not want them to help, and the Supreme Court said that the Constitution give the federal government (ie. current President) broad exclusive powers to decided who can and cannot enforce immigration law. There is nothing that prevent President Trump from creating a program where the federal, state, and local governments can work together on immigration if they want and then give the state and local government the flexibility to decided how they want to enforce it. Thank of it as 287(g) on steroids.

I'm all for state's rights, but what happens when states like California refuse to enforce any immigration laws? Doesn't this go against the idea that the government's main function is to protect its citizens?

BTW: I've been to Farmer's Branch. Nice little town, I used to live in Irving before it was overrun by all of the crackheads they inherited after Hurricane Katrina.

Play Hardball With the Softheads

What happens is that Congress expels California's representatives in the House and Senate.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

A great option that President Trump is completely neglecting is enforcing immigration law by creating executive orders that allow states to act as immigration deputies of the executive branch. The states would be allowed to create their own immigration enforcement tools to arrest or fine anyone trespassing on their land. If states were given immigration enforcement powers, they could arrest the illegal immigrants, fine them for trespassing, and then hold them for the federal government to deport them. After all, the states would be agents of the federal government

No one is suggesting that the federal government force the states or local governments to do anything regarding immigration. President Trump has the power to ALLOW states and local governments to help enforce immigration laws IF THEY WANT TO. So, if the state of Arizona want to enact a law that gives police officers the ability to question drivers about their immigration status during traffic stops, they can. If the city of Farmer's Branch wants to enact a law requiring landlords to check the immigration status of their tenants, they can. If the state of California wants to totally ignore immigration law, they can.

A few years back, a number of states and cities started creating dozens of laws to enforce immigration. The main reason why states are currently unable to enforce immigration law is because President Obama said that he did not want them to help, and the Supreme Court said that the Constitution give the federal government (ie. current President) broad exclusive powers to decided who can and cannot enforce immigration law. There is nothing that prevent President Trump from creating a program where the federal, state, and local governments can work together on immigration if they want and then give the state and local government the flexibility to decided how they want to enforce it. Thank of it as 287(g) on steroids.

I'm all for state's rights, but what happens when states like California refuse to enforce any immigration laws?

Send in federal agents/troops to enforce immigration law as a matter of national security. This would not be a police action, ergo Posse Comitatus would not apply.

I suspect after a short period of bureaucratic disruption the state government would have a change of heart.

 

[miketx]

A great option that President Trump is completely neglecting is enforcing immigration law by creating executive orders that allow states to act as immigration deputies of the executive branch. The states would be allowed to create their own immigration enforcement tools to arrest or fine anyone trespassing on their land. If states were given immigration enforcement powers, they could arrest the illegal immigrants, fine them for trespassing, and then hold them for the federal government to deport them. After all, the states would be agents of the federal government

No one is suggesting that the federal government force the states or local governments to do anything regarding immigration. President Trump has the power to ALLOW states and local governments to help enforce immigration laws IF THEY WANT TO. So, if the state of Arizona want to enact a law that gives police officers the ability to question drivers about their immigration status during traffic stops, they can. If the city of Farmer's Branch wants to enact a law requiring landlords to check the immigration status of their tenants, they can. If the state of California wants to totally ignore immigration law, they can.

A few years back, a number of states and cities started creating dozens of laws to enforce immigration. The main reason why states are currently unable to enforce immigration law is because President Obama said that he did not want them to help, and the Supreme Court said that the Constitution give the federal government (ie. current President) broad exclusive powers to decided who can and cannot enforce immigration law. There is nothing that prevent President Trump from creating a program where the federal, state, and local governments can work together on immigration if they want and then give the state and local government the flexibility to decided how they want to enforce it. Thank of it as 287(g) on steroids.

I'm all for state's rights, but what happens when states like California refuse to enforce any immigration laws?

Send in federal agents/troops to enforce immigration law as a matter of national security. This would not be a police action, ergo Posse Comitatus would not apply.

I suspect after a short period of bureaucratic disruption the state government would have a change of heart.

A short period of bureaucratic disruption.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Sending in the military would result in a massive swing to the Dems next fall.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Rightwing bigots are as ignorant as they are hateful and stupid.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Sending in the military would result in a massive swing to the Dems next fall.

So you think.

 

[PhilipBrown]

>> The states are not authorized under the Constitution to
>> enforce immigration laws, and Trump does not have the
>> Constitutional power to issue EOs that violate the
>> Constitution.

Even though it is true that the Constitution does not give the states the authority to enforce immigration laws, it does give the federal government the authority. Since President Trump is the chief executive of the federal government, he can grant the states and local government the authority to enforce immigration law.


>> I'm all for state's rights, but what happens when states
>> like California refuse to enforce any immigration laws?

To my knowledge, the state of California does not ENFORCE any immigration laws. Businesses filling out I-9 forms and other federal regulations is not the same as enforcing immigration laws.


>> Doesn't this go against the idea that the government's
>> main function is to protect its citizens?

I am not sure what you mean? The people who are in the country illegally are not citizens and it can be show any number of ways that reducing illegal immigration improves the live for United States citizens.

 

[JakeStarkey]

No, Trump cannot by EO "grant the states and local government the authority to enforce immigration law."

Trump cannot govern by decree as did Hitler.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Trump cannot govern by decree as did Hitler.

Obama’s Amnesty by Decree

https://nypost.com/2016/05/13/obama-to-issue-decree-squashing-transgender-bathroom-law/

 

[PhilipBrown]

I am not realty in favor of President Trump's current DACA deal, but I would make e-Verify and the proposal that I make in the first post in this thread part of that deal. The democrats would either have to accept the deal or make their DACA base very angry.

 

[Kondor3]

The states are not authorized under the Constitution to enforce immigration laws, and Trump does not have the Constitutional power to issue EOs that violate the Constitution.

Let's test that in front of a 5-4 SCOTUS...

 

[Kondor3]

A great option that President Trump is completely neglecting is enforcing immigration law by creating executive orders that allow states to act as immigration deputies of the executive branch. The states would be allowed to create their own immigration enforcement tools to arrest or fine anyone trespassing on their land. If states were given immigration enforcement powers, they could arrest the illegal immigrants, fine them for trespassing, and then hold them for the federal government to deport them. After all, the states would be agents of the federal government

No one is suggesting that the federal government force the states or local governments to do anything regarding immigration. President Trump has the power to ALLOW states and local governments to help enforce immigration laws IF THEY WANT TO. So, if the state of Arizona want to enact a law that gives police officers the ability to question drivers about their immigration status during traffic stops, they can. If the city of Farmer's Branch wants to enact a law requiring landlords to check the immigration status of their tenants, they can. If the state of California wants to totally ignore immigration law, they can.

A few years back, a number of states and cities started creating dozens of laws to enforce immigration. The main reason why states are currently unable to enforce immigration law is because President Obama said that he did not want them to help, and the Supreme Court said that the Constitution give the federal government (ie. current President) broad exclusive powers to decided who can and cannot enforce immigration law. There is nothing that prevent President Trump from creating a program where the federal, state, and local governments can work together on immigration if they want and then give the state and local government the flexibility to decided how they want to enforce it. Thank of it as 287(g) on steroids.

I'm all for state's rights, but what happens when states like California refuse to enforce any immigration laws?

Send in federal agents/troops to enforce immigration law as a matter of national security. This would not be a police action, ergo Posse Comitatus would not apply.

I suspect after a short period of bureaucratic disruption the state government would have a change of heart.

No need to send in Federal troops.

Merely identify each California state government official and legislator who voted-for or who signed the California Sanctuary Laws...

Then indict and arrest each one, during the business day, while the California state legislature is in session and while the Governor is in his mansion...

Charging each with conspiracy to obstruct justice on the Federal level...

The nightly news should be a laugh-riot that evening, as these miscreants are led, handcuffed, down the State Capitol steps, by US Marshals, into waiting vans...

 

[JakeStarkey]

The states are not authorized under the Constitution to enforce immigration laws, and Trump does not have the Constitutional power to issue EOs that violate the Constitution.

Let's test that in front of a 5-4 SCOTUS...

You would lose. And your silliness immediately above will never happen.

 

[Kondor3]

...your silliness immediately above will never happen.

In a world where a petulant Bull$hit Artist attains the Big Chief's bonnet, that's a mighty interesting observation...

 

[badger2]

OP's post is problematic, for once inside an illegal can live for years without identification. Landlords anywhere can willingly rent to them, and coupled to a professional forger, these individuals and groups can continue on with their plans. Badger's uncashed Social Security checks mean that, if badger has no photo ID and cannot obtain one, the checks remain uncashed. If the SS swoops on badger having uncashed SS checks, the SS is obligated to prove that the checks do not belong to badger, or say nothing when their accountant finds the discrepancy even without the landlord and real estate pathology entering into it. The system is faulty at both state and federal level. Suggested listening: Merle Haggard.