Johnson State Poll shows Johnson at 15% in Virginia

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    What is your point? Put ten people of ANY ideology in a tent and you will get ten definitions of what said ideology is. It matters not what the ideology is, put ten people in a tent that are of any "group" and you will get ten definitions of what that "group" is. Have you ever come across two liberals that would define liberalism the same? How about two black folks that define what it is to be black the same? Or Christians, Jews, Americans, Muslims, men, women, homosexuals, students, professionals, gamers, the list goes on and on, it is all inclusive. So, to say that no two Libertarians, let alone ten, would agree on everything, is a pretty dumb argument against Libertarianism.
     
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    My point is that Libertarianism is not the answer to America's problems. Never has been, never will be.
     
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    Maybe, maybe not. One cannot know for sure without trying it, IMHO. What we DO know is that the current way of doing things in Washington, has failed, will continue to fail, and has no hope of ever succeeding. This country continues to become more and more divided along ideological, racial, and other demographical lines. There is no end to this division in sight, and no one in the Republican or the Democratic parties that have any clear vision on how to unite us on anything of significance.
     
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    What part of smaller, better govt and social inclusion and no foreign nation building ----- is NOT an answer to America's problems?
     
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    What part of "you don't get" that libertarianism is not an integrated, cohesive political philosophy?

    Even you guys can't get along in your few thousands.
     
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    It's just as integrated and cohesive as Progressivism, or Conservatism. Even moreso, because it's based on the simple LIBERAL tenets that came out of the political enlightment in the 1700s. Which is to RESTRAIN the govt from micro-managing both Economic and Social choices and freedoms.

    In fact, a primary tenet is to refrain from the "use of force" or law as the govts' FIRST reaction to any issue. .

    How do you NOT know this???
     
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    No Jakey. The problem as i told you, was to keep the Libert faithful from becoming borg-like clones of each other on DOGMATIC adherence to Libertarian principles. You have no idea how united the philosophy and problem solving is ---- because "brand name politics" abandoned any principles over the past 50 years.

    You couldn't be MORE wrong. So I suggest you either poll LParty members or go find something else to be totally wrong about.

    There is ONE battle within the clan.. And that is because anarchists tend to flock to us believing that we are the closest to their rejection of everything. We humor them, because they are entertaining. But from basic principles, we LOVE the Constitution, we LOVE the legal system, and we LOVE our country.
     
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    Yawn. The problem is your inability to integrate with political reality in America.
     
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    The political reality in America is -- we wouldn't have over 10,000 dead and wounded troops from endless wars to plant democracy in the Mid-East. Would not have a collapsing ObamaCare system, would not have the world's top spy agency given free reign to plow every personal communication and financial exchange. Would not unaccountable AGENCY minions of morons writing the legislation that CONGRESS should have written. And holding America hostage with legal and economic uncertainty YEARS after the Prez signs a bill.

    Would not have collapsing political morals because your 2 parties will do and say ANYTHING to win elections. And we would have more personal choices and Liberty than you've taken away in my lifetime.

    Johnson/Weld is EXACTLY the type of mgt team that needs to step in and stop the SCREAMING, the lack of respect, and the downward spiral in accountability because "their guys did it first".. And cut the demonizing of the "other"..
     
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    Donald Trump will launch WWIII in Syria. Did you not listen to his veep candidate, saying we would strike anyone who opposed us there? Johnson will not be elected, will not get EVs, Flacaltn. Please stay with reality.
     

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