Johnson State Poll shows Johnson at 15% in Virginia

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    You think taking 15% from the major parties is pathetic? Do you actually pay attention to US politics? :lol:
     
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    Actually, that's not ever likely to happen. And having spent my last 20 years in many rooms of "liberts", the ACTUAL problem is philosophical "purity".. Those 10 libertarians will try to OUTDO each other on principles.

    Which is good.. Because those principles have been decades AHEAD of Amer. public opinion and usually right.
    But it's a problem when you bring the party into the big tent and try to accommodate a wider spectrum of beliefs.

    I don't think ANY party ought to pride itself on "purity" for fundamentals. Surely there is room to accommodate differences on abortion, welfare, trade, immigration and other PRACTICAL issues. There should be "pro-life" candidates in the Dem Party, and pro-choice in the Repubs. And there ARE !!!!

    It's good enough to field national tickets that will HONOR the fundamentals, but work with what they are GIVEN as a current status quo. And as long as the ball is moved in the right direction, that's all we should expect -- when the job is to GOVERN from the CURRENT realities...
     
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    BTW: those people focused on who Johnson/Weld is taking votes "from" -- are totally unaware that THEIR parties they want to protect are LOSING membership and support every year. The number of LOYAL party members are taking a nosedive for last 16 years or so.

    And VERY soon -- the number of "politically homeless" people -- INCLUDING 3rd party supporters -- will be LARGER than both of your sorry ass parties put together. Right now, it's about 45%. I imagine after this compost heap of an election and the dissatisfaction and anger at the outcome, that will be over 50%..

    So -- the deal is -- maybe 2% comes from "clinton" and 1% comes from "trump". The remaining 12% are the open minded Americans who consider Brand Name politics a disaster and worthless.
     
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    You can say that the major parties are losing membership and support, but what are the voting numbers? Have the big two lost voters?

    What people say outside of the voting booths doesn't matter much if they still pick the D or R candidate each time. :(
     
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    You are right. You probably cannot get ten libertarians into one spot. But go for it.
     
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    Now that ^^^^ I agree with. Either the parties reach out to meet the middle class needs and drop the far left and the far/alt right crazies, or new parties will arise to replace them.
     
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    The 42% haven't been offered candidates that CHANGE anything in Washington. The corruption, the ineptitude, the arrogance. So they mostly sit it out. They are largely the 1/2 that does not participate. The Bernie folks, the Tea Party folks, the TRUE liberals, and the just fed up.

    Largely, this group is libertarian. Smaller better govt, accent on performance of massive bureaucracy, ethical leadership, socially inclusive. Until recently, the LParty ran some sketchy choices. Chosen for their zeal in making EVERYTHING INSTANTLY "libertarian". But these people were not administrators and pragmatists.

    You have to run people who have been the victims of Washington. And State Governors are the best choice.
     
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    That 42% -- soon to be the majority is NOT the "middle class". It's composed of all classes, and age groups. I believe they are the more DEMANDING ones as well. And the Brand Name parties have ABANDONED any kind of unique identity. Which is clear in this election. The LParty is unique -- because it is neither left or right. It's closer to the CLASSIC Liberalism that this country was founded on.

    And if you're looking to restore checks and balances, and competent, ethical govt --- you want to move back to the Feds PRIORITIZING their fundamental duties and stop micro-managing every aspect of Amer. life.
     
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    Sigh. Whatever. [​IMG]
     
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    "what is a Virginia?"
    hehe
     

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