Pennywise
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- Jul 25, 2013
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I love the echo chamber on this subject. Ten years ago I was right there with you, championing Israel at every opportunity. Then a funny thing happened, I began to wonder if my blindly following the Zionist line was perhaps misguided, so I started to look deeper and what I found was complex and not nearly as simple as I once thought.
Upon learning the full history(beyond the cheerleading neocons) of the creation of Israel, I found myself troubled and so wanted to explore the subject in depth with others and that's where the real horror showed itself. See, what I found was exactly what I find here in this miserable excuse for a discussion board, that not a single mention could be made of the wrongs of Zionists without the hammer coming down from all quarters, loaded with buzz words and catch phrases attempting to link my thoughts to those of neo nazis or real Nazis. This is how it all goes, do your best to insult and destroy the character of the person with whom you disagree, rather than open up that can of worms known as the truth.
I don't know what the answer is to ME peace, nor how to actually develop a two state solution and terrorists on all sides need to be condemned. I know this much, that so long as the USA has a plurality of citizens who will blindly wear the Zion emblem next to or even above the stars and stripes, there will NEVER be a real honest discussion of what the Israelis have done to make the situation worse. Further, this mindless kind of kinship is what has wrought every single American War since WW2, and if you don't understand why that is, study WW2 and post WW2 history rather than more name calling. On the subject of name calling, I am actually somewhat shocked to have seen some of the callous, vile garbage I have read here, especially in the first few pages. Some of you people have serious issues.
And read this book- [ame=http://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/0374531501]The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy: John J. Mearsheimer, Stephen M. Walt: 9780374531508: Amazon.com: Books[/ame] It should be part of the curriculum of every high school senior in America.
Upon learning the full history(beyond the cheerleading neocons) of the creation of Israel, I found myself troubled and so wanted to explore the subject in depth with others and that's where the real horror showed itself. See, what I found was exactly what I find here in this miserable excuse for a discussion board, that not a single mention could be made of the wrongs of Zionists without the hammer coming down from all quarters, loaded with buzz words and catch phrases attempting to link my thoughts to those of neo nazis or real Nazis. This is how it all goes, do your best to insult and destroy the character of the person with whom you disagree, rather than open up that can of worms known as the truth.
I don't know what the answer is to ME peace, nor how to actually develop a two state solution and terrorists on all sides need to be condemned. I know this much, that so long as the USA has a plurality of citizens who will blindly wear the Zion emblem next to or even above the stars and stripes, there will NEVER be a real honest discussion of what the Israelis have done to make the situation worse. Further, this mindless kind of kinship is what has wrought every single American War since WW2, and if you don't understand why that is, study WW2 and post WW2 history rather than more name calling. On the subject of name calling, I am actually somewhat shocked to have seen some of the callous, vile garbage I have read here, especially in the first few pages. Some of you people have serious issues.
And read this book- [ame=http://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/0374531501]The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy: John J. Mearsheimer, Stephen M. Walt: 9780374531508: Amazon.com: Books[/ame] It should be part of the curriculum of every high school senior in America.