Some differences between republicans and democrats..

[David_42]

'Voter ID' laws, another example of republican advocacy of more government, less individual liberty; a moronic 'solution' in search of a problem that doesn't exist.

'Voter ID' laws, another example of republican advocacy of more government

Yeah, the added burden of showing an ID that you already need for so many things already.
It's like another gulag. Moron.

Why Voter ID Laws Aren’t Really about Fraud – Government / Elections / Politics - FRONTLINE

Who Is Impacted by Voter ID Laws?

Laws that require photo ID at the polls vary, but the strictest laws limit the forms of acceptable documentation to only a handful of cards. For example, in Texas, voters must show one of seven forms of state or federal-issue photo ID, with a valid expiration date: a driver’s license, a personal ID card issued by the state, a concealed handgun license, a military ID, citizenship certificate or a passport. The name on the ID must exactly match the one on the voter rolls.

African-Americans and Latinos are more likely to lack one of these qualifying IDs,according to several estimates. Even when the state offers a free photo ID, these voters, who are disproportionately low-income, may not be able to procure the underlying documents, such as a birth certificate, to obtain one.

In Texas, for example, challengers to the law cited an African-American grandmother who could not afford the $25 to purchase her birth certificate to get an ID, and an elderly African-American veteran and longtime voter who was turned away at the polls in 2013 despite having three types of ID, because none qualified under the new law.

And new research from the Government Accountability Office, an independent agency that prepares reports for members of Congress, suggests that voter ID laws are having an impact at the polls. Turnout dropped among both young people and African-Americans in Kansas and Tennessee after new voter ID requirements took effect in 2012, the study found.

Six of the 16 states that have passed voter ID laws since 2010 have a documented history of discriminating against minority voters. All but one of those states’ laws were put in place after the Supreme Court overturned a key provision of the Voting Rights Act that required them to seek approval from the Justice Department for any voting-law changes.

Courts have so far blocked three ID laws. A state judge struck down Pennsylvania’s law earlier this year, determining that it discriminated against low-income and minority voters. Two weeks ago, the U.S. Supreme Court blocked Wisconsin’s from taking effect for this election, and last week, a state court declared Arkansas’ voter ID law unconstitutional. Lawsuits are currently pending against similar laws in North Carolina and Alabama, though they won’t be decided before the November elections.

Voter ID laws have all been sponsored by Republicans and passed overwhelmingly by Republican legislatures. A conservative U.S. circuit judge, Richard Posner, in a recent scathing critique of these laws, calling the expressed concern about fraud a “a mere fig leaf” and that they instead “appear to be aimed at limiting voting by minorities, particularly blacks.”

“There is only one motivation for imposing burdens on voting that are ostensibly designed to discourage voter-impersonation fraud,” Posner wrote, “…and that is to discourage voting by persons likely to vote against the party responsible for imposing the burdens.”

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You want my address? LOL!

As expected, you spout talking points like "illegal immigrants are voting!"

Our data comes from the Cooperative Congressional Election Study (CCES). Its large number of observations (32,800 in 2008 and 55,400 in 2010) provide sufficient samples of the non-immigrant sub-population, with 339 non-citizen respondents in 2008 and 489 in 2010. For the 2008 CCES, we also attempted to match respondents to voter files so that we could verify whether they actually voted. How many non-citizens participate in U.S. elections? More than 14 percent of non-citizens in both the 2008 and 2010 samples indicated that they were registered to vote. Furthermore, some of these non-citizens voted. Our best guess, based upon extrapolations from the portion of the sample with a verified vote, is that 6.4 percent of non-citizens voted in 2008 and 2.2 percent of non-citizens voted in 2010.

Read more at: Jaw-Dropping Study Claims Large Numbers of Non-Citizens Vote in U.S. | National Review Online

"with 339 non-citizen respondents in 2008 and 489 in 2010"
Yeah, good luck getting me to believe that crap.

Twelve thousand noncitizens registered to vote in Colorado; apparently 5,000 of those voted in 2010. A recent report in North Carolina by James O'Keefe's Project Veritas (of ACORN-undercover expose` fame) compared records of registered voters to prospective jurors disqualified due to noncitizenship, but who then voted in North Carolina in 2010. The State of Florida is suing the Department of Homeland Security to obtain a list of noncitizens in order to purge the state's voter rolls before the 2012 election, and was just sued in return by the Barack Obama-Eric Holder Department of Justice with a lawsuit for purging its rolls, which is required by federal law.


Voter Fraud Deniers Ignore the Facts - US News

5,000 people who were noncitizens voted in one state, err, ok?
Let's look at the reality instead of fear mongering over a tiny amount.
Why Voter ID Laws Aren’t Really about Fraud – Government / Elections / Politics - FRONTLINE

5,000 people who were noncitizens voted in one state, err, ok?

That's weird, because you said illegals can't vote.
So you won't make that stupid claim any more, eh comrade?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

'Voter ID' laws, another example of republican advocacy of more government, less individual liberty; a moronic 'solution' in search of a problem that doesn't exist.

'Voter ID' laws, another example of republican advocacy of more government

Yeah, the added burden of showing an ID that you already need for so many things already.
It's like another gulag. Moron.

Why Voter ID Laws Aren’t Really about Fraud – Government / Elections / Politics - FRONTLINE

Who Is Impacted by Voter ID Laws?

Laws that require photo ID at the polls vary, but the strictest laws limit the forms of acceptable documentation to only a handful of cards. For example, in Texas, voters must show one of seven forms of state or federal-issue photo ID, with a valid expiration date: a driver’s license, a personal ID card issued by the state, a concealed handgun license, a military ID, citizenship certificate or a passport. The name on the ID must exactly match the one on the voter rolls.

African-Americans and Latinos are more likely to lack one of these qualifying IDs,according to several estimates. Even when the state offers a free photo ID, these voters, who are disproportionately low-income, may not be able to procure the underlying documents, such as a birth certificate, to obtain one.

In Texas, for example, challengers to the law cited an African-American grandmother who could not afford the $25 to purchase her birth certificate to get an ID, and an elderly African-American veteran and longtime voter who was turned away at the polls in 2013 despite having three types of ID, because none qualified under the new law.

And new research from the Government Accountability Office, an independent agency that prepares reports for members of Congress, suggests that voter ID laws are having an impact at the polls. Turnout dropped among both young people and African-Americans in Kansas and Tennessee after new voter ID requirements took effect in 2012, the study found.

Six of the 16 states that have passed voter ID laws since 2010 have a documented history of discriminating against minority voters. All but one of those states’ laws were put in place after the Supreme Court overturned a key provision of the Voting Rights Act that required them to seek approval from the Justice Department for any voting-law changes.

Courts have so far blocked three ID laws. A state judge struck down Pennsylvania’s law earlier this year, determining that it discriminated against low-income and minority voters. Two weeks ago, the U.S. Supreme Court blocked Wisconsin’s from taking effect for this election, and last week, a state court declared Arkansas’ voter ID law unconstitutional. Lawsuits are currently pending against similar laws in North Carolina and Alabama, though they won’t be decided before the November elections.

Voter ID laws have all been sponsored by Republicans and passed overwhelmingly by Republican legislatures. A conservative U.S. circuit judge, Richard Posner, in a recent scathing critique of these laws, calling the expressed concern about fraud a “a mere fig leaf” and that they instead “appear to be aimed at limiting voting by minorities, particularly blacks.”

“There is only one motivation for imposing burdens on voting that are ostensibly designed to discourage voter-impersonation fraud,” Posner wrote, “…and that is to discourage voting by persons likely to vote against the party responsible for imposing the burdens.”

“There is only one motivation for imposing burdens on voting that are ostensibly designed to discourage voter-impersonation fraud,” Posner wrote, “…and that is to discourage voting by persons likely to vote against the party responsible for imposing the burdens.”

You gonna be discouraged from voting against the Republicans if you need to show ID to do it?

 

[David_42]

As expected, you spout talking points like "illegal immigrants are voting!"

Our data comes from the Cooperative Congressional Election Study (CCES). Its large number of observations (32,800 in 2008 and 55,400 in 2010) provide sufficient samples of the non-immigrant sub-population, with 339 non-citizen respondents in 2008 and 489 in 2010. For the 2008 CCES, we also attempted to match respondents to voter files so that we could verify whether they actually voted. How many non-citizens participate in U.S. elections? More than 14 percent of non-citizens in both the 2008 and 2010 samples indicated that they were registered to vote. Furthermore, some of these non-citizens voted. Our best guess, based upon extrapolations from the portion of the sample with a verified vote, is that 6.4 percent of non-citizens voted in 2008 and 2.2 percent of non-citizens voted in 2010.

Read more at: Jaw-Dropping Study Claims Large Numbers of Non-Citizens Vote in U.S. | National Review Online

"with 339 non-citizen respondents in 2008 and 489 in 2010"
Yeah, good luck getting me to believe that crap.

Twelve thousand noncitizens registered to vote in Colorado; apparently 5,000 of those voted in 2010. A recent report in North Carolina by James O'Keefe's Project Veritas (of ACORN-undercover expose` fame) compared records of registered voters to prospective jurors disqualified due to noncitizenship, but who then voted in North Carolina in 2010. The State of Florida is suing the Department of Homeland Security to obtain a list of noncitizens in order to purge the state's voter rolls before the 2012 election, and was just sued in return by the Barack Obama-Eric Holder Department of Justice with a lawsuit for purging its rolls, which is required by federal law.


Voter Fraud Deniers Ignore the Facts - US News

5,000 people who were noncitizens voted in one state, err, ok?
Let's look at the reality instead of fear mongering over a tiny amount.
Why Voter ID Laws Aren’t Really about Fraud – Government / Elections / Politics - FRONTLINE

5,000 people who were noncitizens voted in one state, err, ok?

That's weird, because you said illegals can't vote.
So you won't make that stupid claim any more, eh comrade?

No, illegals can't vote, but nothing is perfect, and a tiny amount is meaningless. People who are innocent can't go to jail, but they still do, again, nothing is perfect, so your argument is ridiculous.

 

[David_42]

'Voter ID' laws, another example of republican advocacy of more government, less individual liberty; a moronic 'solution' in search of a problem that doesn't exist.

'Voter ID' laws, another example of republican advocacy of more government

Yeah, the added burden of showing an ID that you already need for so many things already.
It's like another gulag. Moron.

Why Voter ID Laws Aren’t Really about Fraud – Government / Elections / Politics - FRONTLINE

Who Is Impacted by Voter ID Laws?

Laws that require photo ID at the polls vary, but the strictest laws limit the forms of acceptable documentation to only a handful of cards. For example, in Texas, voters must show one of seven forms of state or federal-issue photo ID, with a valid expiration date: a driver’s license, a personal ID card issued by the state, a concealed handgun license, a military ID, citizenship certificate or a passport. The name on the ID must exactly match the one on the voter rolls.

African-Americans and Latinos are more likely to lack one of these qualifying IDs,according to several estimates. Even when the state offers a free photo ID, these voters, who are disproportionately low-income, may not be able to procure the underlying documents, such as a birth certificate, to obtain one.

In Texas, for example, challengers to the law cited an African-American grandmother who could not afford the $25 to purchase her birth certificate to get an ID, and an elderly African-American veteran and longtime voter who was turned away at the polls in 2013 despite having three types of ID, because none qualified under the new law.

And new research from the Government Accountability Office, an independent agency that prepares reports for members of Congress, suggests that voter ID laws are having an impact at the polls. Turnout dropped among both young people and African-Americans in Kansas and Tennessee after new voter ID requirements took effect in 2012, the study found.

Six of the 16 states that have passed voter ID laws since 2010 have a documented history of discriminating against minority voters. All but one of those states’ laws were put in place after the Supreme Court overturned a key provision of the Voting Rights Act that required them to seek approval from the Justice Department for any voting-law changes.

Courts have so far blocked three ID laws. A state judge struck down Pennsylvania’s law earlier this year, determining that it discriminated against low-income and minority voters. Two weeks ago, the U.S. Supreme Court blocked Wisconsin’s from taking effect for this election, and last week, a state court declared Arkansas’ voter ID law unconstitutional. Lawsuits are currently pending against similar laws in North Carolina and Alabama, though they won’t be decided before the November elections.

Voter ID laws have all been sponsored by Republicans and passed overwhelmingly by Republican legislatures. A conservative U.S. circuit judge, Richard Posner, in a recent scathing critique of these laws, calling the expressed concern about fraud a “a mere fig leaf” and that they instead “appear to be aimed at limiting voting by minorities, particularly blacks.”

“There is only one motivation for imposing burdens on voting that are ostensibly designed to discourage voter-impersonation fraud,” Posner wrote, “…and that is to discourage voting by persons likely to vote against the party responsible for imposing the burdens.”

“There is only one motivation for imposing burdens on voting that are ostensibly designed to discourage voter-impersonation fraud,” Posner wrote, “…and that is to discourage voting by persons likely to vote against the party responsible for imposing the burdens.”

You gonna be discouraged from voting against the Republicans if you need to show ID to do it?

Of course you immediately jump to something to confirm your ridiculous assertion. Please read up on the rest and the effects on minorities and the poor.

 

[Dana7360]

Ok, just for shits and giggles I picked out the "Stop the War on Coal Act". Because I am a proponent of hydrocarbons and fossil fuels.

Firstly, without reading the Full Bill Text there's no clue as to what exactly is in this Act.

Secondly, there's no clue as to what riders and amendments have been attached to these. That can seriously affect the vote.

Thirdly, when I clicked on "Full Bill Text", I got this...

Due to equipment maintenance, our websites
(including loc.gov, congress.gov, copyright.gov & others) are unavailable.
We expect them to be available again by the evening of Sunday, August 30.

A similar list could be compiled showing Democrats' total reluctance to move forward something as simple as, say, voter ID.

Voter id? Oh please, voter id is stupid shit, voter fraud is a virtually non-existent problem, if anything, we need automatic voter registration like most countries. Yeah, republicans don't really know about their own proposal, do they?

Your OP contains a plethora of "stupid shit" Acts. That's why Republicans vote against them.

Case in point- there is in fact a "War on Coal" and it's real and it will result in skyrocketing utility rates for all Americans, including the poor and minorities. It will crash the electricity grid and result in brown-outs and black-outs.

What you posted just isn't true.

My state has one coal fire plant left. The shutdown process of that last one started in 2005. It should be close to being done by now.

We have one very small nuclear facility in the south eastern part of the state for the small amount of farmers out there in the middle of nowhere.

The rest comes from water, wind and some solar. In fact we get most of our electricity from water.

We have some of the lowest electric rates in the nation. There are 2 states that have lower rates than we have. Just by tenths of a penny though.

No one is without electricity in fact we sell excess to neighboring states.

So what you state just isn't true. In fact the opposite is true. Why not learn facts before you post?

 

[David_42]

Ok, just for shits and giggles I picked out the "Stop the War on Coal Act". Because I am a proponent of hydrocarbons and fossil fuels.

Firstly, without reading the Full Bill Text there's no clue as to what exactly is in this Act.

Secondly, there's no clue as to what riders and amendments have been attached to these. That can seriously affect the vote.

Thirdly, when I clicked on "Full Bill Text", I got this...

Due to equipment maintenance, our websites
(including loc.gov, congress.gov, copyright.gov & others) are unavailable.
We expect them to be available again by the evening of Sunday, August 30.

A similar list could be compiled showing Democrats' total reluctance to move forward something as simple as, say, voter ID.

Voter id? Oh please, voter id is stupid shit, voter fraud is a virtually non-existent problem, if anything, we need automatic voter registration like most countries. Yeah, republicans don't really know about their own proposal, do they?

Your OP contains a plethora of "stupid shit" Acts. That's why Republicans vote against them.

Case in point- there is in fact a "War on Coal" and it's real and it will result in skyrocketing utility rates for all Americans, including the poor and minorities. It will crash the electricity grid and result in brown-outs and black-outs.

What you posted just isn't true.

My state has one coal fire plant left. The shutdown process of that last one started in 2005. It should be close to being done by now.

We have one very small nuclear facility in the south eastern part of the state for the small amount of farmers out there in the middle of nowhere.

The rest comes from water, wind and some solar. In fact we get most of our electricity from water.

We have some of the lowest electric rates in the nation. There are 2 states that have lower rates than we have. Just by tenths of a penny though.

No one is without electricity in fact we sell excess to neighboring states.

So what you state just isn't true. In fact the opposite is true. Why not learn facts before you post?

It's pure fear mongering.

 

[Dana7360]

Ok, just for shits and giggles I picked out the "Stop the War on Coal Act". Because I am a proponent of hydrocarbons and fossil fuels.

Firstly, without reading the Full Bill Text there's no clue as to what exactly is in this Act.

Secondly, there's no clue as to what riders and amendments have been attached to these. That can seriously affect the vote.

Thirdly, when I clicked on "Full Bill Text", I got this...

Due to equipment maintenance, our websites
(including loc.gov, congress.gov, copyright.gov & others) are unavailable.
We expect them to be available again by the evening of Sunday, August 30.

A similar list could be compiled showing Democrats' total reluctance to move forward something as simple as, say, voter ID.

Voter id? Oh please, voter id is stupid shit, voter fraud is a virtually non-existent problem, if anything, we need automatic voter registration like most countries. Yeah, republicans don't really know about their own proposal, do they?

Your OP contains a plethora of "stupid shit" Acts. That's why Republicans vote against them.

Case in point- there is in fact a "War on Coal" and it's real and it will result in skyrocketing utility rates for all Americans, including the poor and minorities. It will crash the electricity grid and result in brown-outs and black-outs.

What you posted just isn't true.

My state has one coal fire plant left. The shutdown process of that last one started in 2005. It should be close to being done by now.

We have one very small nuclear facility in the south eastern part of the state for the small amount of farmers out there in the middle of nowhere.

The rest comes from water, wind and some solar. In fact we get most of our electricity from water.

We have some of the lowest electric rates in the nation. There are 2 states that have lower rates than we have. Just by tenths of a penny though.

No one is without electricity in fact we sell excess to neighboring states.

So what you state just isn't true. In fact the opposite is true. Why not learn facts before you post?

It's pure fear mongering.

It's nothing but pure lies. Stupid people don't bother learning about things so they easily buy the lies. It's sad.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Our data comes from the Cooperative Congressional Election Study (CCES). Its large number of observations (32,800 in 2008 and 55,400 in 2010) provide sufficient samples of the non-immigrant sub-population, with 339 non-citizen respondents in 2008 and 489 in 2010. For the 2008 CCES, we also attempted to match respondents to voter files so that we could verify whether they actually voted. How many non-citizens participate in U.S. elections? More than 14 percent of non-citizens in both the 2008 and 2010 samples indicated that they were registered to vote. Furthermore, some of these non-citizens voted. Our best guess, based upon extrapolations from the portion of the sample with a verified vote, is that 6.4 percent of non-citizens voted in 2008 and 2.2 percent of non-citizens voted in 2010.

Read more at: Jaw-Dropping Study Claims Large Numbers of Non-Citizens Vote in U.S. | National Review Online

"with 339 non-citizen respondents in 2008 and 489 in 2010"
Yeah, good luck getting me to believe that crap.

Twelve thousand noncitizens registered to vote in Colorado; apparently 5,000 of those voted in 2010. A recent report in North Carolina by James O'Keefe's Project Veritas (of ACORN-undercover expose` fame) compared records of registered voters to prospective jurors disqualified due to noncitizenship, but who then voted in North Carolina in 2010. The State of Florida is suing the Department of Homeland Security to obtain a list of noncitizens in order to purge the state's voter rolls before the 2012 election, and was just sued in return by the Barack Obama-Eric Holder Department of Justice with a lawsuit for purging its rolls, which is required by federal law.


Voter Fraud Deniers Ignore the Facts - US News

5,000 people who were noncitizens voted in one state, err, ok?
Let's look at the reality instead of fear mongering over a tiny amount.
Why Voter ID Laws Aren’t Really about Fraud – Government / Elections / Politics - FRONTLINE

5,000 people who were noncitizens voted in one state, err, ok?

That's weird, because you said illegals can't vote.
So you won't make that stupid claim any more, eh comrade?

No, illegals can't vote, but nothing is perfect, and a tiny amount is meaningless. People who are innocent can't go to jail, but they still do, again, nothing is perfect, so your argument is ridiculous.

No, illegals can't vote,

And yet, they do.

and a tiny amount is meaningless.

Bullshit.

nothing is perfect, so your argument is ridiculous

Nothing is perfect, so we shouldn't require ID. That argument is ridiculous.

 

[David_42]

"with 339 non-citizen respondents in 2008 and 489 in 2010"
Yeah, good luck getting me to believe that crap.

Twelve thousand noncitizens registered to vote in Colorado; apparently 5,000 of those voted in 2010. A recent report in North Carolina by James O'Keefe's Project Veritas (of ACORN-undercover expose` fame) compared records of registered voters to prospective jurors disqualified due to noncitizenship, but who then voted in North Carolina in 2010. The State of Florida is suing the Department of Homeland Security to obtain a list of noncitizens in order to purge the state's voter rolls before the 2012 election, and was just sued in return by the Barack Obama-Eric Holder Department of Justice with a lawsuit for purging its rolls, which is required by federal law.


Voter Fraud Deniers Ignore the Facts - US News

5,000 people who were noncitizens voted in one state, err, ok?
Let's look at the reality instead of fear mongering over a tiny amount.
Why Voter ID Laws Aren’t Really about Fraud – Government / Elections / Politics - FRONTLINE

5,000 people who were noncitizens voted in one state, err, ok?

That's weird, because you said illegals can't vote.
So you won't make that stupid claim any more, eh comrade?

No, illegals can't vote, but nothing is perfect, and a tiny amount is meaningless. People who are innocent can't go to jail, but they still do, again, nothing is perfect, so your argument is ridiculous.

No, illegals can't vote,

And yet, they do.

and a tiny amount is meaningless.

Bullshit.

nothing is perfect, so your argument is ridiculous

Nothing is perfect, so we shouldn't require ID. That argument is ridiculous.

I have shown you that voter id laws cause more harm then good, and drastically effect the poor/minorities. You ignore this, of course.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

'Voter ID' laws, another example of republican advocacy of more government, less individual liberty; a moronic 'solution' in search of a problem that doesn't exist.

'Voter ID' laws, another example of republican advocacy of more government

Yeah, the added burden of showing an ID that you already need for so many things already.
It's like another gulag. Moron.

Why Voter ID Laws Aren’t Really about Fraud – Government / Elections / Politics - FRONTLINE

Who Is Impacted by Voter ID Laws?

Laws that require photo ID at the polls vary, but the strictest laws limit the forms of acceptable documentation to only a handful of cards. For example, in Texas, voters must show one of seven forms of state or federal-issue photo ID, with a valid expiration date: a driver’s license, a personal ID card issued by the state, a concealed handgun license, a military ID, citizenship certificate or a passport. The name on the ID must exactly match the one on the voter rolls.

African-Americans and Latinos are more likely to lack one of these qualifying IDs,according to several estimates. Even when the state offers a free photo ID, these voters, who are disproportionately low-income, may not be able to procure the underlying documents, such as a birth certificate, to obtain one.

In Texas, for example, challengers to the law cited an African-American grandmother who could not afford the $25 to purchase her birth certificate to get an ID, and an elderly African-American veteran and longtime voter who was turned away at the polls in 2013 despite having three types of ID, because none qualified under the new law.

And new research from the Government Accountability Office, an independent agency that prepares reports for members of Congress, suggests that voter ID laws are having an impact at the polls. Turnout dropped among both young people and African-Americans in Kansas and Tennessee after new voter ID requirements took effect in 2012, the study found.

Six of the 16 states that have passed voter ID laws since 2010 have a documented history of discriminating against minority voters. All but one of those states’ laws were put in place after the Supreme Court overturned a key provision of the Voting Rights Act that required them to seek approval from the Justice Department for any voting-law changes.

Courts have so far blocked three ID laws. A state judge struck down Pennsylvania’s law earlier this year, determining that it discriminated against low-income and minority voters. Two weeks ago, the U.S. Supreme Court blocked Wisconsin’s from taking effect for this election, and last week, a state court declared Arkansas’ voter ID law unconstitutional. Lawsuits are currently pending against similar laws in North Carolina and Alabama, though they won’t be decided before the November elections.

Voter ID laws have all been sponsored by Republicans and passed overwhelmingly by Republican legislatures. A conservative U.S. circuit judge, Richard Posner, in a recent scathing critique of these laws, calling the expressed concern about fraud a “a mere fig leaf” and that they instead “appear to be aimed at limiting voting by minorities, particularly blacks.”

“There is only one motivation for imposing burdens on voting that are ostensibly designed to discourage voter-impersonation fraud,” Posner wrote, “…and that is to discourage voting by persons likely to vote against the party responsible for imposing the burdens.”

“There is only one motivation for imposing burdens on voting that are ostensibly designed to discourage voter-impersonation fraud,” Posner wrote, “…and that is to discourage voting by persons likely to vote against the party responsible for imposing the burdens.”

You gonna be discouraged from voting against the Republicans if you need to show ID to do it?

Of course you immediately jump to something to confirm your ridiculous assertion. Please read up on the rest and the effects on minorities and the poor.

What is the effect on the poor and minorities?

 

[David_42]

'Voter ID' laws, another example of republican advocacy of more government, less individual liberty; a moronic 'solution' in search of a problem that doesn't exist.

'Voter ID' laws, another example of republican advocacy of more government

Yeah, the added burden of showing an ID that you already need for so many things already.
It's like another gulag. Moron.

Why Voter ID Laws Aren’t Really about Fraud – Government / Elections / Politics - FRONTLINE

Who Is Impacted by Voter ID Laws?

Laws that require photo ID at the polls vary, but the strictest laws limit the forms of acceptable documentation to only a handful of cards. For example, in Texas, voters must show one of seven forms of state or federal-issue photo ID, with a valid expiration date: a driver’s license, a personal ID card issued by the state, a concealed handgun license, a military ID, citizenship certificate or a passport. The name on the ID must exactly match the one on the voter rolls.

African-Americans and Latinos are more likely to lack one of these qualifying IDs,according to several estimates. Even when the state offers a free photo ID, these voters, who are disproportionately low-income, may not be able to procure the underlying documents, such as a birth certificate, to obtain one.

In Texas, for example, challengers to the law cited an African-American grandmother who could not afford the $25 to purchase her birth certificate to get an ID, and an elderly African-American veteran and longtime voter who was turned away at the polls in 2013 despite having three types of ID, because none qualified under the new law.

And new research from the Government Accountability Office, an independent agency that prepares reports for members of Congress, suggests that voter ID laws are having an impact at the polls. Turnout dropped among both young people and African-Americans in Kansas and Tennessee after new voter ID requirements took effect in 2012, the study found.

Six of the 16 states that have passed voter ID laws since 2010 have a documented history of discriminating against minority voters. All but one of those states’ laws were put in place after the Supreme Court overturned a key provision of the Voting Rights Act that required them to seek approval from the Justice Department for any voting-law changes.

Courts have so far blocked three ID laws. A state judge struck down Pennsylvania’s law earlier this year, determining that it discriminated against low-income and minority voters. Two weeks ago, the U.S. Supreme Court blocked Wisconsin’s from taking effect for this election, and last week, a state court declared Arkansas’ voter ID law unconstitutional. Lawsuits are currently pending against similar laws in North Carolina and Alabama, though they won’t be decided before the November elections.

Voter ID laws have all been sponsored by Republicans and passed overwhelmingly by Republican legislatures. A conservative U.S. circuit judge, Richard Posner, in a recent scathing critique of these laws, calling the expressed concern about fraud a “a mere fig leaf” and that they instead “appear to be aimed at limiting voting by minorities, particularly blacks.”

“There is only one motivation for imposing burdens on voting that are ostensibly designed to discourage voter-impersonation fraud,” Posner wrote, “…and that is to discourage voting by persons likely to vote against the party responsible for imposing the burdens.”

“There is only one motivation for imposing burdens on voting that are ostensibly designed to discourage voter-impersonation fraud,” Posner wrote, “…and that is to discourage voting by persons likely to vote against the party responsible for imposing the burdens.”

You gonna be discouraged from voting against the Republicans if you need to show ID to do it?

Of course you immediately jump to something to confirm your ridiculous assertion. Please read up on the rest and the effects on minorities and the poor.

What is the effect on the poor and minorities?

Jesus christ, can you not read my posts? I'll repost if for you:
"
frican-Americans and Latinos are more likely to lack one of these qualifying IDs,according to several estimates. Even when the state offers a free photo ID, these voters, who are disproportionately low-income, may not be able to procure the underlying documents, such as a birth certificate, to obtain one.

In Texas, for example, challengers to the law cited an African-American grandmother who could not afford the $25 to purchase her birth certificate to get an ID, and an elderly African-American veteran and longtime voter who was turned away at the polls in 2013 despite having three types of ID, because none qualified under the new law.

And new research from the Government Accountability Office, an independent agency that prepares reports for members of Congress, suggests that voter ID laws are having an impact at the polls. Turnout dropped among both young people and African-Americans in Kansas and Tennessee after new voter ID requirements took effect in 2012, the study found.

Six of the 16 states that have passed voter ID laws since 2010 have a documented history of discriminating against minority voters. All but one of those states’ laws were put in place after the Supreme Court overturned a key provision of the Voting Rights Act that required them to seek approval from the Justice Department for any voting-law changes.

Courts have so far blocked three ID laws. A state judge struck down Pennsylvania’s law earlier this year, determining that it discriminated against low-income and minority voters. Two weeks ago, the U.S. Supreme Court blocked Wisconsin’s from taking effect for this election, and last week, a state court declared Arkansas’ voter ID law unconstitutional. Lawsuits are currently pending against similar laws in North Carolina and Alabama, though they won’t be decided before the November elections.
"

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Twelve thousand noncitizens registered to vote in Colorado; apparently 5,000 of those voted in 2010. A recent report in North Carolina by James O'Keefe's Project Veritas (of ACORN-undercover expose` fame) compared records of registered voters to prospective jurors disqualified due to noncitizenship, but who then voted in North Carolina in 2010. The State of Florida is suing the Department of Homeland Security to obtain a list of noncitizens in order to purge the state's voter rolls before the 2012 election, and was just sued in return by the Barack Obama-Eric Holder Department of Justice with a lawsuit for purging its rolls, which is required by federal law.


Voter Fraud Deniers Ignore the Facts - US News

5,000 people who were noncitizens voted in one state, err, ok?
Let's look at the reality instead of fear mongering over a tiny amount.
Why Voter ID Laws Aren’t Really about Fraud – Government / Elections / Politics - FRONTLINE

5,000 people who were noncitizens voted in one state, err, ok?

That's weird, because you said illegals can't vote.
So you won't make that stupid claim any more, eh comrade?

No, illegals can't vote, but nothing is perfect, and a tiny amount is meaningless. People who are innocent can't go to jail, but they still do, again, nothing is perfect, so your argument is ridiculous.

No, illegals can't vote,

And yet, they do.

and a tiny amount is meaningless.

Bullshit.

nothing is perfect, so your argument is ridiculous

Nothing is perfect, so we shouldn't require ID. That argument is ridiculous.

I have shown you that voter id laws cause more harm then good, and drastically effect the poor/minorities. You ignore this, of course.

I have shown you that voter id laws cause more harm then good

I see, so now you admit that ID laws cause some good.
That's some real evolution from your initial claim that illegals can't vote.
Congratulations, most liberals never budge from their incorrect claims.

and drastically effect the poor/minorities

Poor minorities are unable to show their ID when they vote?

 

[David_42]

5,000 people who were noncitizens voted in one state, err, ok?
Let's look at the reality instead of fear mongering over a tiny amount.
Why Voter ID Laws Aren’t Really about Fraud – Government / Elections / Politics - FRONTLINE

5,000 people who were noncitizens voted in one state, err, ok?

That's weird, because you said illegals can't vote.
So you won't make that stupid claim any more, eh comrade?

No, illegals can't vote, but nothing is perfect, and a tiny amount is meaningless. People who are innocent can't go to jail, but they still do, again, nothing is perfect, so your argument is ridiculous.

No, illegals can't vote,

And yet, they do.

and a tiny amount is meaningless.

Bullshit.

nothing is perfect, so your argument is ridiculous

Nothing is perfect, so we shouldn't require ID. That argument is ridiculous.

I have shown you that voter id laws cause more harm then good, and drastically effect the poor/minorities. You ignore this, of course.

I have shown you that voter id laws cause more harm then good

I see, so now you admit that ID laws cause some good.
That's some real evolution from your initial claim that illegals can't vote.
Congratulations, most liberals never budge from their incorrect claims.

and drastically effect the poor/minorities

Poor minorities are unable to show their ID when they vote?

I never admitted they cause good, at all, regardless, let's assume they stop 1,000 illegal immigrants from voting, even though alot of voter fraud doesn't even happen in person.. are you fucking kidding me? FUCK, QUIT IGNORING THE REALITY.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

'Voter ID' laws, another example of republican advocacy of more government

Yeah, the added burden of showing an ID that you already need for so many things already.
It's like another gulag. Moron.

Why Voter ID Laws Aren’t Really about Fraud – Government / Elections / Politics - FRONTLINE

Who Is Impacted by Voter ID Laws?

Laws that require photo ID at the polls vary, but the strictest laws limit the forms of acceptable documentation to only a handful of cards. For example, in Texas, voters must show one of seven forms of state or federal-issue photo ID, with a valid expiration date: a driver’s license, a personal ID card issued by the state, a concealed handgun license, a military ID, citizenship certificate or a passport. The name on the ID must exactly match the one on the voter rolls.

African-Americans and Latinos are more likely to lack one of these qualifying IDs,according to several estimates. Even when the state offers a free photo ID, these voters, who are disproportionately low-income, may not be able to procure the underlying documents, such as a birth certificate, to obtain one.

In Texas, for example, challengers to the law cited an African-American grandmother who could not afford the $25 to purchase her birth certificate to get an ID, and an elderly African-American veteran and longtime voter who was turned away at the polls in 2013 despite having three types of ID, because none qualified under the new law.

And new research from the Government Accountability Office, an independent agency that prepares reports for members of Congress, suggests that voter ID laws are having an impact at the polls. Turnout dropped among both young people and African-Americans in Kansas and Tennessee after new voter ID requirements took effect in 2012, the study found.

Six of the 16 states that have passed voter ID laws since 2010 have a documented history of discriminating against minority voters. All but one of those states’ laws were put in place after the Supreme Court overturned a key provision of the Voting Rights Act that required them to seek approval from the Justice Department for any voting-law changes.

Courts have so far blocked three ID laws. A state judge struck down Pennsylvania’s law earlier this year, determining that it discriminated against low-income and minority voters. Two weeks ago, the U.S. Supreme Court blocked Wisconsin’s from taking effect for this election, and last week, a state court declared Arkansas’ voter ID law unconstitutional. Lawsuits are currently pending against similar laws in North Carolina and Alabama, though they won’t be decided before the November elections.

Voter ID laws have all been sponsored by Republicans and passed overwhelmingly by Republican legislatures. A conservative U.S. circuit judge, Richard Posner, in a recent scathing critique of these laws, calling the expressed concern about fraud a “a mere fig leaf” and that they instead “appear to be aimed at limiting voting by minorities, particularly blacks.”

“There is only one motivation for imposing burdens on voting that are ostensibly designed to discourage voter-impersonation fraud,” Posner wrote, “…and that is to discourage voting by persons likely to vote against the party responsible for imposing the burdens.”

“There is only one motivation for imposing burdens on voting that are ostensibly designed to discourage voter-impersonation fraud,” Posner wrote, “…and that is to discourage voting by persons likely to vote against the party responsible for imposing the burdens.”

You gonna be discouraged from voting against the Republicans if you need to show ID to do it?

Of course you immediately jump to something to confirm your ridiculous assertion. Please read up on the rest and the effects on minorities and the poor.

What is the effect on the poor and minorities?

Jesus christ, can you not read my posts? I'll repost if for you:
"
frican-Americans and Latinos are more likely to lack one of these qualifying IDs,according to several estimates. Even when the state offers a free photo ID, these voters, who are disproportionately low-income, may not be able to procure the underlying documents, such as a birth certificate, to obtain one.

In Texas, for example, challengers to the law cited an African-American grandmother who could not afford the $25 to purchase her birth certificate to get an ID, and an elderly African-American veteran and longtime voter who was turned away at the polls in 2013 despite having three types of ID, because none qualified under the new law.

And new research from the Government Accountability Office, an independent agency that prepares reports for members of Congress, suggests that voter ID laws are having an impact at the polls. Turnout dropped among both young people and African-Americans in Kansas and Tennessee after new voter ID requirements took effect in 2012, the study found.

Six of the 16 states that have passed voter ID laws since 2010 have a documented history of discriminating against minority voters. All but one of those states’ laws were put in place after the Supreme Court overturned a key provision of the Voting Rights Act that required them to seek approval from the Justice Department for any voting-law changes.

Courts have so far blocked three ID laws. A state judge struck down Pennsylvania’s law earlier this year, determining that it discriminated against low-income and minority voters. Two weeks ago, the U.S. Supreme Court blocked Wisconsin’s from taking effect for this election, and last week, a state court declared Arkansas’ voter ID law unconstitutional. Lawsuits are currently pending against similar laws in North Carolina and Alabama, though they won’t be decided before the November elections.
"

are more likely to lack one of these qualifying IDs,according to several estimates.

Several estimates? Well, that's certainly convincing.

 

[David_42]

Why Voter ID Laws Aren’t Really about Fraud – Government / Elections / Politics - FRONTLINE

“There is only one motivation for imposing burdens on voting that are ostensibly designed to discourage voter-impersonation fraud,” Posner wrote, “…and that is to discourage voting by persons likely to vote against the party responsible for imposing the burdens.”

You gonna be discouraged from voting against the Republicans if you need to show ID to do it?

Of course you immediately jump to something to confirm your ridiculous assertion. Please read up on the rest and the effects on minorities and the poor.

What is the effect on the poor and minorities?

Jesus christ, can you not read my posts? I'll repost if for you:
"
frican-Americans and Latinos are more likely to lack one of these qualifying IDs,according to several estimates. Even when the state offers a free photo ID, these voters, who are disproportionately low-income, may not be able to procure the underlying documents, such as a birth certificate, to obtain one.

In Texas, for example, challengers to the law cited an African-American grandmother who could not afford the $25 to purchase her birth certificate to get an ID, and an elderly African-American veteran and longtime voter who was turned away at the polls in 2013 despite having three types of ID, because none qualified under the new law.

And new research from the Government Accountability Office, an independent agency that prepares reports for members of Congress, suggests that voter ID laws are having an impact at the polls. Turnout dropped among both young people and African-Americans in Kansas and Tennessee after new voter ID requirements took effect in 2012, the study found.

Six of the 16 states that have passed voter ID laws since 2010 have a documented history of discriminating against minority voters. All but one of those states’ laws were put in place after the Supreme Court overturned a key provision of the Voting Rights Act that required them to seek approval from the Justice Department for any voting-law changes.

Courts have so far blocked three ID laws. A state judge struck down Pennsylvania’s law earlier this year, determining that it discriminated against low-income and minority voters. Two weeks ago, the U.S. Supreme Court blocked Wisconsin’s from taking effect for this election, and last week, a state court declared Arkansas’ voter ID law unconstitutional. Lawsuits are currently pending against similar laws in North Carolina and Alabama, though they won’t be decided before the November elections.
"

are more likely to lack one of these qualifying IDs,according to several estimates.

Several estimates? Well, that's certainly convincing.

Better then the shit you provide. Regardless, I could literally spend hours showing the bad bullshit that comes with voter ID.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

5,000 people who were noncitizens voted in one state, err, ok?

That's weird, because you said illegals can't vote.
So you won't make that stupid claim any more, eh comrade?

No, illegals can't vote, but nothing is perfect, and a tiny amount is meaningless. People who are innocent can't go to jail, but they still do, again, nothing is perfect, so your argument is ridiculous.

No, illegals can't vote,

And yet, they do.

and a tiny amount is meaningless.

Bullshit.

nothing is perfect, so your argument is ridiculous

Nothing is perfect, so we shouldn't require ID. That argument is ridiculous.

I have shown you that voter id laws cause more harm then good, and drastically effect the poor/minorities. You ignore this, of course.

I have shown you that voter id laws cause more harm then good

I see, so now you admit that ID laws cause some good.
That's some real evolution from your initial claim that illegals can't vote.
Congratulations, most liberals never budge from their incorrect claims.

and drastically effect the poor/minorities

Poor minorities are unable to show their ID when they vote?

I never admitted they cause good, at all, regardless, let's assume they stop 1,000 illegal immigrants from voting, even though alot of voter fraud doesn't even happen in person.. are you fucking kidding me? FUCK, QUIT IGNORING THE REALITY.

I never admitted they cause good, at all,

The construction of this sentence suggests otherwise.

I have shown you that voter id laws cause more harm then good

Were you confused?

let's assume they stop 1,000 illegal immigrants from voting

That would be an excellent outcome. People should feel the ballot is secure.

 

[David_42]

No, illegals can't vote, but nothing is perfect, and a tiny amount is meaningless. People who are innocent can't go to jail, but they still do, again, nothing is perfect, so your argument is ridiculous.

No, illegals can't vote,

And yet, they do.

and a tiny amount is meaningless.

Bullshit.

nothing is perfect, so your argument is ridiculous

Nothing is perfect, so we shouldn't require ID. That argument is ridiculous.

I have shown you that voter id laws cause more harm then good, and drastically effect the poor/minorities. You ignore this, of course.

I have shown you that voter id laws cause more harm then good

I see, so now you admit that ID laws cause some good.
That's some real evolution from your initial claim that illegals can't vote.
Congratulations, most liberals never budge from their incorrect claims.

and drastically effect the poor/minorities

Poor minorities are unable to show their ID when they vote?

I never admitted they cause good, at all, regardless, let's assume they stop 1,000 illegal immigrants from voting, even though alot of voter fraud doesn't even happen in person.. are you fucking kidding me? FUCK, QUIT IGNORING THE REALITY.

I never admitted they cause good, at all,

The construction of this sentence suggests otherwise.

I have shown you that voter id laws cause more harm then good

Were you confused?

let's assume they stop 1,000 illegal immigrants from voting

That would be an excellent outcome. People should feel the ballot is secure.

and the reality is, stopping 1,000 illegal immigrants from voting would equal even more actual citizens not being able to vote.. for example:
In Texas, for example, challengers to the law cited an African-American grandmother who could not afford the $25 to purchase her birth certificate to get an ID, and an elderly African-American veteran and longtime voter who was turned away at the polls in 2013 despite having three types of ID, because none qualified under the new law.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

“There is only one motivation for imposing burdens on voting that are ostensibly designed to discourage voter-impersonation fraud,” Posner wrote, “…and that is to discourage voting by persons likely to vote against the party responsible for imposing the burdens.”

You gonna be discouraged from voting against the Republicans if you need to show ID to do it?

Of course you immediately jump to something to confirm your ridiculous assertion. Please read up on the rest and the effects on minorities and the poor.

What is the effect on the poor and minorities?

Jesus christ, can you not read my posts? I'll repost if for you:
"
frican-Americans and Latinos are more likely to lack one of these qualifying IDs,according to several estimates. Even when the state offers a free photo ID, these voters, who are disproportionately low-income, may not be able to procure the underlying documents, such as a birth certificate, to obtain one.

In Texas, for example, challengers to the law cited an African-American grandmother who could not afford the $25 to purchase her birth certificate to get an ID, and an elderly African-American veteran and longtime voter who was turned away at the polls in 2013 despite having three types of ID, because none qualified under the new law.

And new research from the Government Accountability Office, an independent agency that prepares reports for members of Congress, suggests that voter ID laws are having an impact at the polls. Turnout dropped among both young people and African-Americans in Kansas and Tennessee after new voter ID requirements took effect in 2012, the study found.

Six of the 16 states that have passed voter ID laws since 2010 have a documented history of discriminating against minority voters. All but one of those states’ laws were put in place after the Supreme Court overturned a key provision of the Voting Rights Act that required them to seek approval from the Justice Department for any voting-law changes.

Courts have so far blocked three ID laws. A state judge struck down Pennsylvania’s law earlier this year, determining that it discriminated against low-income and minority voters. Two weeks ago, the U.S. Supreme Court blocked Wisconsin’s from taking effect for this election, and last week, a state court declared Arkansas’ voter ID law unconstitutional. Lawsuits are currently pending against similar laws in North Carolina and Alabama, though they won’t be decided before the November elections.
"

are more likely to lack one of these qualifying IDs,according to several estimates.

Several estimates? Well, that's certainly convincing.

Better then the shit you provide. Regardless, I could literally spend hours showing the bad bullshit that comes with voter ID.

Bad bullshit? If we require it and it's not needed, Dems won't lose a single vote.
If poor minorities can't find their ID, you should help them.
Donate money to help them get their birth certificates.
And quit your whining.

 

[David_42]

Of course you immediately jump to something to confirm your ridiculous assertion. Please read up on the rest and the effects on minorities and the poor.

What is the effect on the poor and minorities?

Jesus christ, can you not read my posts? I'll repost if for you:
"
frican-Americans and Latinos are more likely to lack one of these qualifying IDs,according to several estimates. Even when the state offers a free photo ID, these voters, who are disproportionately low-income, may not be able to procure the underlying documents, such as a birth certificate, to obtain one.

In Texas, for example, challengers to the law cited an African-American grandmother who could not afford the $25 to purchase her birth certificate to get an ID, and an elderly African-American veteran and longtime voter who was turned away at the polls in 2013 despite having three types of ID, because none qualified under the new law.

And new research from the Government Accountability Office, an independent agency that prepares reports for members of Congress, suggests that voter ID laws are having an impact at the polls. Turnout dropped among both young people and African-Americans in Kansas and Tennessee after new voter ID requirements took effect in 2012, the study found.

Six of the 16 states that have passed voter ID laws since 2010 have a documented history of discriminating against minority voters. All but one of those states’ laws were put in place after the Supreme Court overturned a key provision of the Voting Rights Act that required them to seek approval from the Justice Department for any voting-law changes.

Courts have so far blocked three ID laws. A state judge struck down Pennsylvania’s law earlier this year, determining that it discriminated against low-income and minority voters. Two weeks ago, the U.S. Supreme Court blocked Wisconsin’s from taking effect for this election, and last week, a state court declared Arkansas’ voter ID law unconstitutional. Lawsuits are currently pending against similar laws in North Carolina and Alabama, though they won’t be decided before the November elections.
"

are more likely to lack one of these qualifying IDs,according to several estimates.

Several estimates? Well, that's certainly convincing.

Better then the shit you provide. Regardless, I could literally spend hours showing the bad bullshit that comes with voter ID.

Bad bullshit? If we require it and it's not needed, Dems won't lose a single vote.
If poor minorities can't find their ID, you should help them.
Donate money to help them get their birth certificates.
And quit your whining.

Oh, I'm just tired of people who put attention on a virtually irrelevant problem to punish minorities.