Soldiers and PTSD

[Pauli007001]

Combat Medics are the bravest and toughest soldiers on the battlefield, but they never admit it. PTSD comes with the job. Pretty much impossible to escape it.

So every combat veteran has PTSD?
Watch for the gun grab of veterans guns!!
All veterans are crazy after all.

That is not what I said. You changed what I said about combat medics to include all combat veterans. You added the gun grab and vets are crazy stuff. I didn't say anything like that. I don't have a problem with veterans with some levels of PTSD having guns. Their are levels of PTSD. PTSD does does not automaticly make a person crazy. If you think PTSD means crazy vet you should try to learn about it because you are very poorly informed.

List the levels of PTSD and the differing symptoms then?
Show me where I said it meant crazy?
Don't respond unless you can do so honestly, dickwad.

 

[Camp]

So every combat veteran has PTSD?
Watch for the gun grab of veterans guns!!
All veterans are crazy after all.

That is not what I said. You changed what I said about combat medics to include all combat veterans. You added the gun grab and vets are crazy stuff. I didn't say anything like that. I don't have a problem with veterans with some levels of PTSD having guns. Their are levels of PTSD. PTSD does does not automaticly make a person crazy. If you think PTSD means crazy vet you should try to learn about it because you are very poorly informed.

List the levels of PTSD and the differing symptoms then?
Show me where I said it meant crazy?
Don't respond unless you can do so honestly, dickwad.

List:
Normal stress response
Acute stress disorder
Unclimpicated PTSD
Comorbid PTSD
Complex PTSD

Do your own research on each of the five recognized levels. You now have the proper names for a search.

You said, "All vererans are crazy afterall." You ended that sentence with a period, not a question mark.

Is this an honest enough answer for you sir?

 

[Sunshine]

Many times those labels are turned into psycho-esque pop culture themes which Hollywood exploits and perpetuates terrible misinformation to the public. Rambo comes to mind.

There is a video which your library may have called Haunted Heroes. It is about Vietnam veterans who left society to live alone in the wilderness. One of them claims to be the person that Rambo was based on. The woods in KY and TN are full of them. They just don't do well in society. I have never seen so many lonely old men in my life. Most have been married multiple times, and lost multiple jobs due to their PTSD. Most don't really have enough to live on because they were never able to work long enough to draw SS. About all they have are their veteran's benefits.

I am woefully aware of this. I was talking about Hollywood's perspective many times when portraying what a person who has PTSD is like.

Well, there is a stereotype being perpetuated on this thread that veterans with PTSD are dangerous to others and should not own guns. That simply is not true. In my 25 years working in psychiatry I have never had a patient with PTSD who shot themselves or anyone else.

 

[whitehall]

PSTD isn't even a medical condition. There are no guidelines and the Soldier who claims it doesn't even have to relate an incident or specific experience to collect a fat pension check. All he has to be is a whiner and a pretty good actor willing to sacrifice his pride for a couple of bucks.

 

[Sunshine]

PSTD isn't even a medical condition. There are no guidelines and the Soldier who claims it doesn't even have to relate an incident or specific experience to collect a fat pension check. All he has to be is a whiner and a pretty good actor willing to sacrifice his pride for a couple of bucks.

Yes PTSD IS a medical condition. It is diagnosed using the diagnostic criteria in the DSM IV TR. You are disgusting.

 

[Pauli007001]

That is not what I said. You changed what I said about combat medics to include all combat veterans. You added the gun grab and vets are crazy stuff. I didn't say anything like that. I don't have a problem with veterans with some levels of PTSD having guns. Their are levels of PTSD. PTSD does does not automaticly make a person crazy. If you think PTSD means crazy vet you should try to learn about it because you are very poorly informed.

List the levels of PTSD and the differing symptoms then?
Show me where I said it meant crazy?
Don't respond unless you can do so honestly, dickwad.

List:
Normal stress response
Acute stress disorder
Unclimpicated PTSD
Comorbid PTSD
Complex PTSD

Do your own research on each of the five recognized levels. You now have the proper names for a search.

You said, "All vererans are crazy afterall." You ended that sentence with a period, not a question mark.

Is this an honest enough answer for you sir?

Looks like bullshit to me.
Who has defined these 'levels' what diagnostic tools are used?
Do you even understand what a diagnostic tool is?
The all veterans are crazy remark was sarcasm, it is essentially what gun grabbers claim.
The intent was clear exept to the most severely retarded.

I see where you align yourself!!
I'm a veteran, 16 years.
You fucking retard!!

 

[Camp]

PSTD isn't even a medical condition. There are no guidelines and the Soldier who claims it doesn't even have to relate an incident or specific experience to collect a fat pension check. All he has to be is a whiner and a pretty good actor willing to sacrifice his pride for a couple of bucks.

Some dead soldiers came back this week. Shouldn't you be preparing with the rest of the Westboro turds for a road trip. If you aren't already a member, maybe you should meet up with them. They would love you. Sounds like you will fit right in.

 

[Pauli007001]

PSTD isn't even a medical condition. There are no guidelines and the Soldier who claims it doesn't even have to relate an incident or specific experience to collect a fat pension check. All he has to be is a whiner and a pretty good actor willing to sacrifice his pride for a couple of bucks.

Some dead soldiers came back this week. Shouldn't you be preparing with the rest of the Westboro turds for a road trip. If you aren't already a member, maybe you should meet up with them. They would love you. Sounds like you will fit right in.

Are they the ones you liberals are denying death benefits to?

No one had attacked vets here.
Just those who jump to pin labels on vets without careful diagnosis.
Are you too fucking retarded to spot that , shit stain?

 

[whitehall]

PSTD isn't even a medical condition. There are no guidelines and the Soldier who claims it doesn't even have to relate an incident or specific experience to collect a fat pension check. All he has to be is a whiner and a pretty good actor willing to sacrifice his pride for a couple of bucks.

Some dead soldiers came back this week. Shouldn't you be preparing with the rest of the Westboro turds for a road trip. If you aren't already a member, maybe you should meet up with them. They would love you. Sounds like you will fit right in.

When libs are too ignorant to argue about an issue they resort to crazy accusations.

 

[whitehall]

The criteria for a Purple Heart award is pretty specific. It has to be a wound inflicted by the enemy in a combat situation. There is no pension awarded for a Medal of Honor or a Silver or Bronze Star or Purple Heart award unless the recipient is permanently physically disabled. What are the conditions for a PTSD pension? It doesn't even have to involve combat. A little whining and a good act and you get more than the guy with the Silver Star.

 

[Pauli007001]

PTSD pensions ?
Shit, I wish they had them when I retired, due to physical injury caused by enemy action!!

More money for the divorce courts to hand over to my ex wife!!
( yup, she got the pension, all of it).

 

[whitehall]

PTSD pensions ?
Shit, I wish they had them when I retired, due to physical injury caused by enemy action!!

More money for the divorce courts to hand over to my ex wife!!
( yup, she got the pension, all of it).

Actually we are talking about pensions rather than treatment. If you want to swallow your pride for a couple of free sleeping pills or some other psychotropic junk it's your own business between you and your VA doctor as long as you don't drive under the influence of it or sell it. When you are so mentally disabled that you are able to collect a pension from the government it becomes a matter for the people who pay the pensions to determine or at least discuss whether the pension is legitimate.

 

[9thIDdoc]

PTSD pensions ?
Shit, I wish they had them when I retired, due to physical injury caused by enemy action!!

More money for the divorce courts to hand over to my ex wife!!
( yup, she got the pension, all of it).

Actually we are talking about pensions rather than treatment. If you want to swallow your pride for a couple of free sleeping pills or some other psychotropic junk it's your own business between you and your VA doctor as long as you don't drive under the influence of it or sell it. When you are so mentally disabled that you are able to collect a pension from the government it becomes a matter for the people who pay the pensions to determine or at least discuss whether the pension is legitimate.

The problem is that you have no faintest clue what you are talking about. There are no pensions awarded for PTSD. PTSD can be a disabling service connected condition that is handled the same as other disabling service connected injuries with compensation being awarded.
And a person most certainly does have to prove that his claim is genuine just in order to begin the process that can literally take years.

 

[whitehall]

PTSD pensions ?
Shit, I wish they had them when I retired, due to physical injury caused by enemy action!!

More money for the divorce courts to hand over to my ex wife!!
( yup, she got the pension, all of it).

Actually we are talking about pensions rather than treatment. If you want to swallow your pride for a couple of free sleeping pills or some other psychotropic junk it's your own business between you and your VA doctor as long as you don't drive under the influence of it or sell it. When you are so mentally disabled that you are able to collect a pension from the government it becomes a matter for the people who pay the pensions to determine or at least discuss whether the pension is legitimate.

The problem is that you have no faintest clue what you are talking about. There are no pensions awarded for PTSD. PTSD can be a disabling service connected condition that is handled the same as other disabling service connected injuries with compensation being awarded.
And a person most certainly does have to prove that his claim is genuine just in order to begin the process that can literally years.

We can split hairs if you want to but personally I think it is offensive to real Veterans to put PSTD in the same category as Purple Heart combat disabilities. Apparently you don't even have to relate an incident or submit evidence of injury to justify a PSTD claim. All you need is a good act and a motivated staff.

 

[9thIDdoc]

"I have nothing to learn from the likes of you.
Really? I am constantly being amazed at just how little most loud mouth know-it-alls actually do know."
PTSD has no diagnostic tool, am I correct?
No.
"There are no key symptoms."
I don't know of any one symptom that always indicates PTSD. Or that is present in every case. Nor does it follow that PTSD is the only problem a person has. But once you have some experience with the disorder it is rarely hard to recognize
It is called a mental illness.
Is it? It is named a "disorder". Post Traumatic Stress DISORDER.
So a veteran can be declared mentally ill with no full diagnostic method being employed.
That is untrue anywhere I know about personally. "Mental illness" is an opinion. "Incompetent" or "insane" are legal rulings that require a judge.
"Once it's on record, it cannot be taken off."[/I]
What record? Medical records are to be kept private and by law cannot be shared except in certain cases. The same is true of legal records." I have nothing to learn from the likes of you".
Of course not. Silly me. I had forgotten that most Grunts were also seriously interested in psychology and studied psychiatry whenever they got a break from filling sandbags.
It's a gun grab.
You are correct that there are some that would love to have a gun grab just as you describe and are trying to get one going through changes in state and local law that would allow just that. It remains to be seen whether such laws would prove to be Constitutional. The majority of Americas are just not that stupid and I see zero chance of that happening anywhere near where I live.
"I could teach you a thing or two, doc."
Don't try to teach an old dog to suck eggs, son. I have the highest respect for Combat Infantry (right alongside Combat Medics of course) but I was probably walking the walk about the time you were born.

I just walked a longer and harder walk.
You claim to respect combat infanteers yet a paragraph or two you insult them?
Concurrent to my service as a professional combat infanteer I also studied and qualified as a Registered Mental Nurse.
I worked on Bank( per diem ) at a secure forensic psychiatric unit in the British NHS.
For schizophrenia the Ericsson tool is preferred for assisting in diagnostics.
Which diagnostic tool is used to diagnose PTSD?
What are the symptoms of PTSD, can it ever be diagnosed organically?

You are full of shit.
You were never a medic, never served.
You are probably an obese 50 year old who still lives in his parents home and insists the paperboy calls him Doctor.
I'm no gambling man.
I would put money on that though !!

Hey, great! I'll be proud to take your money!
How much are ready to lose? 10K? 20K? your call.
For the record I will prove that I am as pictured (except older) and described in the bio. here: Harold E. Keim: Remember
And I'm willing to make a 5K side bet that you were never awarded a CIB.
When you are ready we find a mutually acceptable judge in Reno or elsewhere where such bets are legal/

Just for grins and giggles this is a link to my old unit's website:

http://www.angelfire.com/ny/binhphouc/

 

[Trajan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YbkZ8EpjQc

Back in the day - is this the same thing as 'shell-shocked?'

Anyway. This is well worth the time it takes to watch.

Shell shocked was not quite the same. Shell shock was often the result of physical injuries to the brain caused by the concussion of a blast, repeated blasts made the condition worse.
After bombardment it was found that wine bottles appeared intact but upon ooening shards of glass were found to have been shaken from the inside of the bottle by the concussion.
Repeated blasts caused increased damage.
Think of a punch drunk or partially brain injured boxer.

PTSD is a psychological condition with no specific features to aide diagnosis.

It is a false condition that enables liberals to dismiss veterans with opinions as crazy.
Nice handy word to silence dissent.
In the 60s and 70s liberals spat on veterans, today they just call PTSD.
The intent is the same.

in the old days, yea, shell shock, by 1942,43 combat fatigue with the then used clinical term Nuerasthenia- A psychological disorder characterized by chronic fatigue and weakness, loss of memory, and generalized aches and pains, formerly thought to result from exhaustion of the nervous system.

That morphed to. But combat fatigue was the term du jour....

 

[whitehall]

Apparently Navy Yard shooter Aaron Alexis was being treated for PSTD. The blog "Medical Daily" claimed that former Sailor Aron Alexis was suffering from PSTD when he murdered 12 people and injured others at a shooting rampage at the D.C. Navy yard. PSTD evangelist and former Soldier Gene Silvestri claimed "it's a wake up call for those struggling with PSTD". The problem is that Alexis claims of suffering mental illness as a result of 9-11 were found to be untrue. Alexis was a garden variety paranoid schizophrenic.

 

[Trajan]

clearly we have become more aware and it is less a 'burden' for public discourse...or, some folks think, we just aren't 'as tough' now or have lost the ability to deal with it without outside assistance......

Iwo Jima had approx. 2,600 'battle' fatigue ( another term) casualties....astounding reports for Okinawa list between 20,00 and 26,000 combat fatigue cases ( depending on the sources).

Not all resulted in long term damage or being removed completely from the service etc. in the European theatre due ot the constant engagement on a constant front, with no let up in action on several fronts doctors would start with what they called "blue 88's", a high dose of nembutal that was intended to put the soldier out for 24 hours. Some soldiers after a few eeks , good food plenty of sleep went back to the front, some were transferred to sppt. units etc. and some went all the way home.

Studies much later by the wars end estimated that after approx. 90 days on the front, troops would wear out, begin to display the onset of uncontrollable tremors/twitches, excitability, loss of focus etc....after 200 days, they would exhibit severe nuerasthenia, that term I used above, in short, they were spent.....it would though generally take a very aware commander or a real 'event' , crying, extreme physical/mental exhaustion for a soldier to be sent to he rear as a combat fatigue case, by late 44, we were under a severe manpower shortage, soldiers never intended for or trained as infantryman were turned into infantry etc.....that ran up the numbers to.

 

[whitehall]

Fake claims are a dime a dozen when you are dealing with motivated government workers masquerading as mental health specialists. Everybody in the mental profession trusted that Aaron Alexis was suffering from PTSD when he was in fact schizophrenic and so clinically ill that he killed 12 people. Where were the PTSD experts after he committed that terrible crime?

 

[9thIDdoc]

Actually we are talking about pensions rather than treatment. If you want to swallow your pride for a couple of free sleeping pills or some other psychotropic junk it's your own business between you and your VA doctor as long as you don't drive under the influence of it or sell it. When you are so mentally disabled that you are able to collect a pension from the government it becomes a matter for the people who pay the pensions to determine or at least discuss whether the pension is legitimate.

The problem is that you have no faintest clue what you are talking about. There are no pensions awarded for PTSD. PTSD can be a disabling service connected condition that is handled the same as other disabling service connected injuries with compensation being awarded.
And a person most certainly does have to prove that his claim is genuine just in order to begin the process that can literally years.

We can split hairs if you want to but personally I think it is offensive to real Veterans to put PSTD in the same category as Purple Heart combat disabilities. Apparently you don't even have to relate an incident or submit evidence of injury to justify a PSTD claim. All you need is a good act and a motivated staff.

And as I said before I find your slander of disabled vets highly offensive and shameful.

"Apparently you don't even have to relate an incident or submit evidence of injury to justify a PSTD claim."

I have already told you this is untrue. I'm beginning to think that you are so determined to slander people that you are spouting bullshit lies just to be an asshole. If so it's working.