Socialized medicine does not work...

[NCC1701]

Whatever one wishes to call it, the system in France is working fine.

Commonwealth rated them last in quality and access

 

[NCC1701]

Pure BS imaginary speculation. Typical liberal, we cant have one imaginary wrongdoing so lets screw everyone over.You are a doucherocket for most everything you think.

Did I imagine you said this?:

"They want convicted violent felons getting the exact treatment as you and I, while we get to pay for the violent felon."

If you didn't post that, please correct me.

You again are either dishonest or stupid. Reposting what i originally said either shows that you are incapable of following along the train of thought (most likely), or are trying evasion in some sort of dishonest way.

Probably a mixture of both, as your socialist repugnant morals are something lower intellects are attracted to.

HAHAHAHA you are such a damn idiot, further conversation with you is foolhardy. Outbursts like this one will get no response. If you say something worthwhile I will reply!

Beacause i nailed you again, whenever i catch your lies and deflection, then you pretend to be above the crap you posted.

All you are catching here is egg on your face.

So sayeth the dumb liar

 

[NCC1701]

Whatever one wishes to call it, the system in France is working fine.

INdeed. And, according to Lucia Newman., the former CNN reporter, the Cuban healthcare system has been amazingly resilient.

Appeal to authority when it suits you, question authority when they disagree, the ways of the lying socialist.

 

[there4eyeM]

Whatever one wishes to call it, the system in France is working fine.

Commonwealth rated them last in quality and access

...and the last shall be first...

If France's system is poor, America can provide as much as the French State does to all its citizens even more economically. It just chooses not to.

 

[JQPublic1]

17 reasons against socialized medicine…

1. To the extent that your mother is living on social security she is already the victim of an actuarially unsound program classified by many as an outright fraud. A large part of your difficulty in meeting bills is the product of this government program designed to "help the aged." You may be sure that a government program designed to "help the sick" would fare no better, and probably worse. People do better if they are charged with personal responsibility for their welfare.

2. Social security payments are reduced or eliminated if your mother earns over $1,200 per year. This particular inequity within the entire inequitable program should be remedied, yet the problems posed by any attempt at "equity" tend to point up the undesirability of seeking "solutions" on a national basis.

I had to take pause after just two of your "reasons against socialized medicine." Your use of unsubstantiated declarations is bothersome. What precedence can you cite to validate your claim that;"
People do better if they are charged with personal responsibility for their welfare."? Ostensibly, that sounds good and looks good on paper but the historical record does not support it. Socialized medicine was born to offset abuses and disparities formed by capitalistic prerogatives.

"When did the profit motive become the only reason to do anything? When did that become the new patriotism? Ask not what you could do for your country, ask what's in it for Blue Cross/Blue Shield.

If conservatives get to call universal health care "socialized medicine," I get to call private health care "soulless vampires making money off human pain." The problem with President Obama's health care plan isn't socialism, it's capitalism.

And if medicine is for profit, and war, and the news, and the penal system, my question is: what's wrong with firemen? Why don't they charge? They must be commies. Oh my God! That explains the red trucks!" ~Bill Maher
Health Care Problem Isn't Socialism, It's Capitalism | RealClearPolitics


BTW anyone reaching maximum retirement age, presently 66,before drawing social security is not penalized by earning more than the stipulated limit. But if all ggregagte income is above a certain limit, income tax is levied against Social security income too.

7. Government bidding for medical services and supplies would increase costs. Great Britain‘s program has slightly more than tripled such costs. If you are serious in your alarm over high costs, you will resist a government program strongly.

From healthcare insurance to medical procedure, American healthcare has been had at the the highest cost in the world.
Socialized medicine has been cheaper for decades than the American model..and has ranked higher on the list generated in 2000 by WHO in regards to best overall healthcare for respective populations.

 

[JQPublic1]

Whatever one wishes to call it, the system in France is working fine.

INdeed. And, according to Lucia Newman., the former CNN reporter, the Cuban healthcare system has been amazingly resilient.

Appeal to authority when it suits you, question authority when they disagree, the ways of the lying socialist.

The reports are there for all to read for themselves. I don't lie, I just report what the people who appear to be the most credible say. Who are you citing? Is it Andylusion/

 

[JQPublic1]

Did I imagine you said this?:

"They want convicted violent felons getting the exact treatment as you and I, while we get to pay for the violent felon."

If you didn't post that, please correct me.

You again are either dishonest or stupid. Reposting what i originally said either shows that you are incapable of following along the train of thought (most likely), or are trying evasion in some sort of dishonest way.

Probably a mixture of both, as your socialist repugnant morals are something lower intellects are attracted to.

HAHAHAHA you are such a damn idiot, further conversation with you is foolhardy. Outbursts like this one will get no response. If you say something worthwhile I will reply!

Beacause i nailed you again, whenever i catch your lies and deflection, then you pretend to be above the crap you posted.

All you are catching here is egg on your face.

So sayeth the dumb liar

I'm done with you... You have run out of gas and all you have left is crude ad hominem attacks, I have no time for such puerile nonsense. g'day,

 

[Rustic]

17 reasons against socialized medicine…

1. To the extent that your mother is living on social security she is already the victim of an actuarially unsound program classified by many as an outright fraud. A large part of your difficulty in meeting bills is the product of this government program designed to "help the aged." You may be sure that a government program designed to "help the sick" would fare no better, and probably worse. People do better if they are charged with personal responsibility for their welfare.

2. Social security payments are reduced or eliminated if your mother earns over $1,200 per year. This particular inequity within the entire inequitable program should be remedied, yet the problems posed by any attempt at "equity" tend to point up the undesirability of seeking "solutions" on a national basis.

I had to take pause after just two of your "reasons against socialized medicine." Your use of unsubstantiated declarations is bothersome. What precedence can you cite to validate your claim that;"
People do better if they are charged with personal responsibility for their welfare."? Ostensibly, that sounds good and looks good on paper but the historical record does not support it. Socialized medicine was born to offset abuses and disparities formed by capitalistic prerogatives.

"When did the profit motive become the only reason to do anything? When did that become the new patriotism? Ask not what you could do for your country, ask what's in it for Blue Cross/Blue Shield.

If conservatives get to call universal health care "socialized medicine," I get to call private health care "soulless vampires making money off human pain." The problem with President Obama's health care plan isn't socialism, it's capitalism.

And if medicine is for profit, and war, and the news, and the penal system, my question is: what's wrong with firemen? Why don't they charge? They must be commies. Oh my God! That explains the red trucks!" ~Bill Maher
Health Care Problem Isn't Socialism, It's Capitalism | RealClearPolitics


BTW anyone reaching maximum retirement age, presently 66,before drawing social security is not penalized by earning more than the stipulated limit. But if all ggregagte income is above a certain limit, income tax is levied against Social security income too.

7. Government bidding for medical services and supplies would increase costs. Great Britain‘s program has slightly more than tripled such costs. If you are serious in your alarm over high costs, you will resist a government program strongly.

From healthcare insurance to medical procedure, American healthcare has been had at the the highest cost in the world.
Socialized medicine has been cheaper for decades than the American model..and has ranked higher on the list generated in 2000 by WHO in regards to best overall healthcare for respective populations.

This is a republic that happens to be capitalistic, finding a place or a niche to make money is a good thing. No one has the right to expect free shit, Or someone else to pay for their shit.
Like I say I have no right to healthcare, but I do have a right to earn healthcare...

 

[JQPublic1]

17 reasons against socialized medicine…

1. To the extent that your mother is living on social security she is already the victim of an actuarially unsound program classified by many as an outright fraud. A large part of your difficulty in meeting bills is the product of this government program designed to "help the aged." You may be sure that a government program designed to "help the sick" would fare no better, and probably worse. People do better if they are charged with personal responsibility for their welfare.

2. Social security payments are reduced or eliminated if your mother earns over $1,200 per year. This particular inequity within the entire inequitable program should be remedied, yet the problems posed by any attempt at "equity" tend to point up the undesirability of seeking "solutions" on a national basis.

I had to take pause after just two of your "reasons against socialized medicine." Your use of unsubstantiated declarations is bothersome. What precedence can you cite to validate your claim that;"
People do better if they are charged with personal responsibility for their welfare."? Ostensibly, that sounds good and looks good on paper but the historical record does not support it. Socialized medicine was born to offset abuses and disparities formed by capitalistic prerogatives.

"When did the profit motive become the only reason to do anything? When did that become the new patriotism? Ask not what you could do for your country, ask what's in it for Blue Cross/Blue Shield.

If conservatives get to call universal health care "socialized medicine," I get to call private health care "soulless vampires making money off human pain." The problem with President Obama's health care plan isn't socialism, it's capitalism.

And if medicine is for profit, and war, and the news, and the penal system, my question is: what's wrong with firemen? Why don't they charge? They must be commies. Oh my God! That explains the red trucks!" ~Bill Maher
Health Care Problem Isn't Socialism, It's Capitalism | RealClearPolitics


BTW anyone reaching maximum retirement age, presently 66,before drawing social security is not penalized by earning more than the stipulated limit. But if all ggregagte income is above a certain limit, income tax is levied against Social security income too.

7. Government bidding for medical services and supplies would increase costs. Great Britain‘s program has slightly more than tripled such costs. If you are serious in your alarm over high costs, you will resist a government program strongly.

From healthcare insurance to medical procedure, American healthcare has been had at the the highest cost in the world.
Socialized medicine has been cheaper for decades than the American model..and has ranked higher on the list generated in 2000 by WHO in regards to best overall healthcare for respective populations.

This is a republic that happens to be capitalistic, finding a place or a niche to make money is a good thing. No one has the right to expect free shit, Or someone else to pay for their shit.
Like I say I have no right to healthcare, but I do have a right to earn healthcare...

Free shit like fresh air and inheritances you didn't earn??? I started to include water but industrialists were FREE to pollute it so much people now have to have extreme filtration or resort to drinking bottled water.

Industry and their products are infamous for making people ill but are usually not held accountable. We are left to fend for ourselves in the healthcare jungle. What rights do we have that would have prevented that? The other industrialized nations have taken that into account in my view and have adopted socialized medicine partially to offset the evils of industrial pollution and its ill effects on the health of those various populations..The least the people can do for themselves and their families is to use their power to gain universal access to healthcare with minimal or no personal cost.
I am confident that Jesus would agree with me... I know the Pope would!

 

[Rustic]

17 reasons against socialized medicine…

1. To the extent that your mother is living on social security she is already the victim of an actuarially unsound program classified by many as an outright fraud. A large part of your difficulty in meeting bills is the product of this government program designed to "help the aged." You may be sure that a government program designed to "help the sick" would fare no better, and probably worse. People do better if they are charged with personal responsibility for their welfare.

2. Social security payments are reduced or eliminated if your mother earns over $1,200 per year. This particular inequity within the entire inequitable program should be remedied, yet the problems posed by any attempt at "equity" tend to point up the undesirability of seeking "solutions" on a national basis.

I had to take pause after just two of your "reasons against socialized medicine." Your use of unsubstantiated declarations is bothersome. What precedence can you cite to validate your claim that;"
People do better if they are charged with personal responsibility for their welfare."? Ostensibly, that sounds good and looks good on paper but the historical record does not support it. Socialized medicine was born to offset abuses and disparities formed by capitalistic prerogatives.

"When did the profit motive become the only reason to do anything? When did that become the new patriotism? Ask not what you could do for your country, ask what's in it for Blue Cross/Blue Shield.

If conservatives get to call universal health care "socialized medicine," I get to call private health care "soulless vampires making money off human pain." The problem with President Obama's health care plan isn't socialism, it's capitalism.

And if medicine is for profit, and war, and the news, and the penal system, my question is: what's wrong with firemen? Why don't they charge? They must be commies. Oh my God! That explains the red trucks!" ~Bill Maher
Health Care Problem Isn't Socialism, It's Capitalism | RealClearPolitics


BTW anyone reaching maximum retirement age, presently 66,before drawing social security is not penalized by earning more than the stipulated limit. But if all ggregagte income is above a certain limit, income tax is levied against Social security income too.

7. Government bidding for medical services and supplies would increase costs. Great Britain‘s program has slightly more than tripled such costs. If you are serious in your alarm over high costs, you will resist a government program strongly.

From healthcare insurance to medical procedure, American healthcare has been had at the the highest cost in the world.
Socialized medicine has been cheaper for decades than the American model..and has ranked higher on the list generated in 2000 by WHO in regards to best overall healthcare for respective populations.

This is a republic that happens to be capitalistic, finding a place or a niche to make money is a good thing. No one has the right to expect free shit, Or someone else to pay for their shit.
Like I say I have no right to healthcare, but I do have a right to earn healthcare...

Free shit like fresh air and inheritances you didn't earn??? I started to include water but industrialists were FREE to pollute it so much people now have to have extreme filtration or resort to drinking bottled water.

Industry and their products are infamous for making people ill but are usually not held accountable. We are left to fend for ourselves in the healthcare jungle. What rights do we have that would have prevented that? The other industrialized nations have taken that into account in my view and have adopted socialized medicine partially to offset the evils of industrial pollution and its ill effects on the health of those various populations..The least the people can do for themselves and their families is to use their power to gain universal access to healthcare with minimal or no personal cost.
I am confident that Jesus would agree with me... I know the Pope would!

The pope is a cult leader...
Like I said I have no right to healthcare, but I do have a right to earn health care...

 

[JQPublic1]

17 reasons against socialized medicine…

1. To the extent that your mother is living on social security she is already the victim of an actuarially unsound program classified by many as an outright fraud. A large part of your difficulty in meeting bills is the product of this government program designed to "help the aged." You may be sure that a government program designed to "help the sick" would fare no better, and probably worse. People do better if they are charged with personal responsibility for their welfare.

2. Social security payments are reduced or eliminated if your mother earns over $1,200 per year. This particular inequity within the entire inequitable program should be remedied, yet the problems posed by any attempt at "equity" tend to point up the undesirability of seeking "solutions" on a national basis.

I had to take pause after just two of your "reasons against socialized medicine." Your use of unsubstantiated declarations is bothersome. What precedence can you cite to validate your claim that;"
People do better if they are charged with personal responsibility for their welfare."? Ostensibly, that sounds good and looks good on paper but the historical record does not support it. Socialized medicine was born to offset abuses and disparities formed by capitalistic prerogatives.

"When did the profit motive become the only reason to do anything? When did that become the new patriotism? Ask not what you could do for your country, ask what's in it for Blue Cross/Blue Shield.

If conservatives get to call universal health care "socialized medicine," I get to call private health care "soulless vampires making money off human pain." The problem with President Obama's health care plan isn't socialism, it's capitalism.

And if medicine is for profit, and war, and the news, and the penal system, my question is: what's wrong with firemen? Why don't they charge? They must be commies. Oh my God! That explains the red trucks!" ~Bill Maher
Health Care Problem Isn't Socialism, It's Capitalism | RealClearPolitics


BTW anyone reaching maximum retirement age, presently 66,before drawing social security is not penalized by earning more than the stipulated limit. But if all ggregagte income is above a certain limit, income tax is levied against Social security income too.

7. Government bidding for medical services and supplies would increase costs. Great Britain‘s program has slightly more than tripled such costs. If you are serious in your alarm over high costs, you will resist a government program strongly.

From healthcare insurance to medical procedure, American healthcare has been had at the the highest cost in the world.
Socialized medicine has been cheaper for decades than the American model..and has ranked higher on the list generated in 2000 by WHO in regards to best overall healthcare for respective populations.

This is a republic that happens to be capitalistic, finding a place or a niche to make money is a good thing. No one has the right to expect free shit, Or someone else to pay for their shit.
Like I say I have no right to healthcare, but I do have a right to earn healthcare...

Free shit like fresh air and inheritances you didn't earn??? I started to include water but industrialists were FREE to pollute it so much people now have to have extreme filtration or resort to drinking bottled water.

Industry and their products are infamous for making people ill but are usually not held accountable. We are left to fend for ourselves in the healthcare jungle. What rights do we have that would have prevented that? The other industrialized nations have taken that into account in my view and have adopted socialized medicine partially to offset the evils of industrial pollution and its ill effects on the health of those various populations..The least the people can do for themselves and their families is to use their power to gain universal access to healthcare with minimal or no personal cost.
I am confident that Jesus would agree with me... I know the Pope would!

The pope is a cult leader...
Like I said I have no right to healthcare, but I do have a right to earn health care...

Any rights you have are determined by the society you live in.The European Union and the United Nations (UN) recognize health care as a human right, and it is guaranteed in the constitutions of 38 percent of UN members.

You can say what you did about your right to"earn" healthcare as opposed to having the unconditional right to healthcare because you have been socially conditioned to think that way. We all have. But some of us have come to recognize America stands virtually alone among industrialized nations who have not granted the right to universal healthcare to its citizens.. And when we ask ourselves why, there really is no rational explanation. The American healthcare system has, traditionally, not been kind to those who get sick. It eats them and all they have alive. Isn't that in contravention to the
right to life, libery and the pursuit of happiness, when we get sick? Without universal healthcare, those rights afforded in the DOI are trivialized and become meaningless. Keep that in mind if you happen to lose everything you have worked for when your insurance has reached the allowable limits. If Trump has his way, at your behest, we will soon return to the time when that reality was a daily occurrence.

 

[Rustic]

17 reasons against socialized medicine…

1. To the extent that your mother is living on social security she is already the victim of an actuarially unsound program classified by many as an outright fraud. A large part of your difficulty in meeting bills is the product of this government program designed to "help the aged." You may be sure that a government program designed to "help the sick" would fare no better, and probably worse. People do better if they are charged with personal responsibility for their welfare.

2. Social security payments are reduced or eliminated if your mother earns over $1,200 per year. This particular inequity within the entire inequitable program should be remedied, yet the problems posed by any attempt at "equity" tend to point up the undesirability of seeking "solutions" on a national basis.

I had to take pause after just two of your "reasons against socialized medicine." Your use of unsubstantiated declarations is bothersome. What precedence can you cite to validate your claim that;"
People do better if they are charged with personal responsibility for their welfare."? Ostensibly, that sounds good and looks good on paper but the historical record does not support it. Socialized medicine was born to offset abuses and disparities formed by capitalistic prerogatives.

"When did the profit motive become the only reason to do anything? When did that become the new patriotism? Ask not what you could do for your country, ask what's in it for Blue Cross/Blue Shield.

If conservatives get to call universal health care "socialized medicine," I get to call private health care "soulless vampires making money off human pain." The problem with President Obama's health care plan isn't socialism, it's capitalism.

And if medicine is for profit, and war, and the news, and the penal system, my question is: what's wrong with firemen? Why don't they charge? They must be commies. Oh my God! That explains the red trucks!" ~Bill Maher
Health Care Problem Isn't Socialism, It's Capitalism | RealClearPolitics


BTW anyone reaching maximum retirement age, presently 66,before drawing social security is not penalized by earning more than the stipulated limit. But if all ggregagte income is above a certain limit, income tax is levied against Social security income too.

7. Government bidding for medical services and supplies would increase costs. Great Britain‘s program has slightly more than tripled such costs. If you are serious in your alarm over high costs, you will resist a government program strongly.

From healthcare insurance to medical procedure, American healthcare has been had at the the highest cost in the world.
Socialized medicine has been cheaper for decades than the American model..and has ranked higher on the list generated in 2000 by WHO in regards to best overall healthcare for respective populations.

This is a republic that happens to be capitalistic, finding a place or a niche to make money is a good thing. No one has the right to expect free shit, Or someone else to pay for their shit.
Like I say I have no right to healthcare, but I do have a right to earn healthcare...

Free shit like fresh air and inheritances you didn't earn??? I started to include water but industrialists were FREE to pollute it so much people now have to have extreme filtration or resort to drinking bottled water.

Industry and their products are infamous for making people ill but are usually not held accountable. We are left to fend for ourselves in the healthcare jungle. What rights do we have that would have prevented that? The other industrialized nations have taken that into account in my view and have adopted socialized medicine partially to offset the evils of industrial pollution and its ill effects on the health of those various populations..The least the people can do for themselves and their families is to use their power to gain universal access to healthcare with minimal or no personal cost.
I am confident that Jesus would agree with me... I know the Pope would!

The pope is a cult leader...
Like I said I have no right to healthcare, but I do have a right to earn health care...

Any rights you have are determined by the society you live in.The European Union and the United Nations (UN) recognize health care as a human right, and it is guaranteed in the constitutions of 38 percent of UN members.

You can say what you did about your right to"earn" healthcare as opposed to having the unconditional right to healthcare because you have been socially conditioned to think that way. We all have. But some of us have come to recognize America stands virtually alone among industrialized nations who have not granted the right to universal healthcare to its citizens.. And when we ask ourselves why, there really is no rational explanation. The American healthcare system has, traditionally, not been kind to those who get sick. It eats them and all they have alive. Isn't that in contravention to the
right to life, libery and the pursuit of happiness, when we get sick? Without universal healthcare, those rights afforded in the DOI are trivialized and become meaningless. Keep that in mind if you happen to lose everything you have worked for when your insurance has reached the allowable limits. If Trump has his way, at your behest, we will soon return to the time when that reality was a daily occurrence.

Insurance/socialized medicine/United Nations bullshit is not healthcare, that Is why America is different. We don't want to be like socialized Europe. And no I do not feel comfortable paying for something that might happen to me or anyone else… Why can't people pay for their own shit?

 

[JQPublic1]

Insurance/socialized medicine/United Nations bullshit is not healthcare, that Is why America is different.

I can't make sense of your sentence here. Are you confusing healthcare systems with healthcare? Insurance/socialized medicine/United Nations (bullshit ?) in the context of which I was speaking are subsets of healthcare systems. America's healthcare system is based on capitalism, and, without a socialized healthcare system of some kind, millions of our citizens would be subject to greater health risks due to lack of access at the primary care level. With the demise of the PPACA, our healthcare system is spiraling back to the dark ages when middle class and poor Americans were subject to the audacious whims of health insurers. Too often those whims were based on profits and the claims of sick people was anathema to their capitalist goals. Healthy people paying high premiums were ideal clients but get sick and you could be dropped like a hot potato with no thought as to reimbursement of any part of the thousands of dollars you may have paid previously. That was ROBBERY, not healthcare insurance. BUt it didn't stop there. For those who were not eligible for Medicare, a spend down of personal assets had to be effected before you could qualify o be considered for Medicaid.
Medicaid offered very little help for those people living in areas where Doctors refused to accept it due to profit limiting factors built into the program. In that scenario the healthcare system was transformed intro a healthcare jungle where only the economically fit could survive. DO we really want to go back there?

We don't want to be like socialized Europe. And no I do not feel comfortable paying for something that might happen to me or anyone else… Why can't people pay for their own shit?

who is WE?? Obviously you are hallucinating again. You don't speak for me, and; according to this PEW research chart, you don't speak for the majority of Americans either:

 

[Rustic]

Insurance/socialized medicine/United Nations bullshit is not healthcare, that Is why America is different.

I can't make sense of your sentence here. Are you confusing healthcare systems with healthcare? Insurance/socialized medicine/United Nations (bullshit ?) in the context of which I was speaking are subsets of healthcare systems. America's healthcare system is based on capitalism, and, without a socialized healthcare system of some kind, millions of our citizens would be subject to greater health risks due to lack of access at the primary care level. With the demise of the PPACA, our healthcare system is spiraling back to the dark ages when middle class and poor Americans were subject to the audacious whims of health insurers. Too often those whims were based on profits and the claims of sick people was anathema to their capitalist goals. Healthy people paying high premiums were ideal clients but get sick and you could be dropped like a hot potato with no thought as to reimbursement of any part of the thousands of dollars you may have paid previously. That was ROBBERY, not healthcare insurance. BUt it didn't stop there. For those who were not eligible for Medicare, a spend down of personal assets had to be effected before you could qualify o be considered for Medicaid.
Medicaid offered very little help for those people living in areas where Doctors refused to accept it due to profit limiting factors built into the program. In that scenario the healthcare system was transformed intro a healthcare jungle where only the economically fit could survive. DO we really want to go back there?

We don't want to be like socialized Europe. And no I do not feel comfortable paying for something that might happen to me or anyone else… Why can't people pay for their own shit?

who is WE?? Obviously you are hallucinating again. You don't speak for me, and; according to this PEW research chart, you don't speak for the majority of Americans either:

Obama care only works for people who abuse it…

 

[jasonnfree]

It can't work, because the deadbeats will always abuse the system every time…

So you mean deadbeats are people who aren't sick but pretend they are? Like many things, we need a balance between socialism and capitalism.

 

[Andylusion]

17 reasons against socialized medicine…

1. To the extent that your mother is living on social security she is already the victim of an actuarially unsound program classified by many as an outright fraud. A large part of your difficulty in meeting bills is the product of this government program designed to "help the aged." You may be sure that a government program designed to "help the sick" would fare no better, and probably worse. People do better if they are charged with personal responsibility for their welfare.

2. Social security payments are reduced or eliminated if your mother earns over $1,200 per year. This particular inequity within the entire inequitable program should be remedied, yet the problems posed by any attempt at "equity" tend to point up the undesirability of seeking "solutions" on a national basis.

I had to take pause after just two of your "reasons against socialized medicine." Your use of unsubstantiated declarations is bothersome. What precedence can you cite to validate your claim that;"
People do better if they are charged with personal responsibility for their welfare."? Ostensibly, that sounds good and looks good on paper but the historical record does not support it. Socialized medicine was born to offset abuses and disparities formed by capitalistic prerogatives.

"When did the profit motive become the only reason to do anything? When did that become the new patriotism? Ask not what you could do for your country, ask what's in it for Blue Cross/Blue Shield.

If conservatives get to call universal health care "socialized medicine," I get to call private health care "soulless vampires making money off human pain." The problem with President Obama's health care plan isn't socialism, it's capitalism.

And if medicine is for profit, and war, and the news, and the penal system, my question is: what's wrong with firemen? Why don't they charge? They must be commies. Oh my God! That explains the red trucks!" ~Bill Maher
Health Care Problem Isn't Socialism, It's Capitalism | RealClearPolitics


BTW anyone reaching maximum retirement age, presently 66,before drawing social security is not penalized by earning more than the stipulated limit. But if all ggregagte income is above a certain limit, income tax is levied against Social security income too.

7. Government bidding for medical services and supplies would increase costs. Great Britain‘s program has slightly more than tripled such costs. If you are serious in your alarm over high costs, you will resist a government program strongly.

From healthcare insurance to medical procedure, American healthcare has been had at the the highest cost in the world.
Socialized medicine has been cheaper for decades than the American model..and has ranked higher on the list generated in 2000 by WHO in regards to best overall healthcare for respective populations.

This is a republic that happens to be capitalistic, finding a place or a niche to make money is a good thing. No one has the right to expect free shit, Or someone else to pay for their shit.
Like I say I have no right to healthcare, but I do have a right to earn healthcare...

Free shit like fresh air and inheritances you didn't earn??? I started to include water but industrialists were FREE to pollute it so much people now have to have extreme filtration or resort to drinking bottled water.

Industry and their products are infamous for making people ill but are usually not held accountable. We are left to fend for ourselves in the healthcare jungle. What rights do we have that would have prevented that? The other industrialized nations have taken that into account in my view and have adopted socialized medicine partially to offset the evils of industrial pollution and its ill effects on the health of those various populations..The least the people can do for themselves and their families is to use their power to gain universal access to healthcare with minimal or no personal cost.
I am confident that Jesus would agree with me... I know the Pope would!

The pope is a cult leader...
Like I said I have no right to healthcare, but I do have a right to earn health care...

Any rights you have are determined by the society you live in.The European Union and the United Nations (UN) recognize health care as a human right, and it is guaranteed in the constitutions of 38 percent of UN members.

You can say what you did about your right to"earn" healthcare as opposed to having the unconditional right to healthcare because you have been socially conditioned to think that way. We all have. But some of us have come to recognize America stands virtually alone among industrialized nations who have not granted the right to universal healthcare to its citizens.. And when we ask ourselves why, there really is no rational explanation. The American healthcare system has, traditionally, not been kind to those who get sick. It eats them and all they have alive. Isn't that in contravention to the
right to life, libery and the pursuit of happiness, when we get sick? Without universal healthcare, those rights afforded in the DOI are trivialized and become meaningless. Keep that in mind if you happen to lose everything you have worked for when your insurance has reached the allowable limits. If Trump has his way, at your behest, we will soon return to the time when that reality was a daily occurrence.

The EU is by their own admission in crisis, they are freaking out because we may not be taking care of them anymore, parts of the EU are breaking up, and some countries have spent themselves in oblivion, and are virtually failed states.....

But here you are saying we need to catch up to the other industrial nations?

No, they need to catch up to us. We're leading the world, not them.

No, it is not a contravention to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. If you work yourself so hard you get ill, that's not an infringement of your rights. That's you exercising your right to be stupid, and pay the consequences for it.

You engage in homosexuality, and get all kinds of STDs, you used your rights, and you still have them. You just don't like the results of exercising your rights.

If is something random happens, that is not in our country, why must we pay for something we didn't do?

When my air conditioning broke, I didn't run around screaming that my rights to pursue happiness were infringed. Was I happy? No. But that's not your fault, so why should you pay for it?

When I got sick, I went to the hospital. I didn't have money for it, so I got a bill. I paid the bill. I was the better part of three years paying off that bill. But I paid it. I didn't whine and cry like a left-wing baby, that it was YOUR job to pay MY bill.

 

[JQPublic1]

When I got sick, I went to the hospital. I didn't have money for it, so I got a bill. I paid the bill. I was the better part of three years paying off that bill. But I paid it. I didn't whine and cry like a left-wing baby, that it was YOUR job to pay MY bill.

With the exception of this quote, your rant has no real relevancy to the op.

MY RESPONSE:

The anecdote of your personal experience seems contrived at best. I was under the assumption that, as a working adult you always had health insurance. Now, according to your words above, you had to pay for a hospital stay out of your pocket. Please elaborate... Did you have insurance or not?

 

[JQPublic1]

Insurance/socialized medicine/United Nations bullshit is not healthcare, that Is why America is different.

I can't make sense of your sentence here. Are you confusing healthcare systems with healthcare? Insurance/socialized medicine/United Nations (bullshit ?) in the context of which I was speaking are subsets of healthcare systems. America's healthcare system is based on capitalism, and, without a socialized healthcare system of some kind, millions of our citizens would be subject to greater health risks due to lack of access at the primary care level. With the demise of the PPACA, our healthcare system is spiraling back to the dark ages when middle class and poor Americans were subject to the audacious whims of health insurers. Too often those whims were based on profits and the claims of sick people was anathema to their capitalist goals. Healthy people paying high premiums were ideal clients but get sick and you could be dropped like a hot potato with no thought as to reimbursement of any part of the thousands of dollars you may have paid previously. That was ROBBERY, not healthcare insurance. BUt it didn't stop there. For those who were not eligible for Medicare, a spend down of personal assets had to be effected before you could qualify o be considered for Medicaid.
Medicaid offered very little help for those people living in areas where Doctors refused to accept it due to profit limiting factors built into the program. In that scenario the healthcare system was transformed intro a healthcare jungle where only the economically fit could survive. DO we really want to go back there?

We don't want to be like socialized Europe. And no I do not feel comfortable paying for something that might happen to me or anyone else… Why can't people pay for their own shit?

who is WE?? Obviously you are hallucinating again. You don't speak for me, and; according to this PEW research chart, you don't speak for the majority of Americans either:

Obama care only works for people who abuse it…

what does that have to do with that chart??????

 

[Andylusion]

It can't work, because the deadbeats will always abuse the system every time…

So you mean deadbeats are people who aren't sick but pretend they are? Like many things, we need a balance between socialism and capitalism.

A 'balance between socialism and capitalism' is the cause of all the problems we have right now.

Just think about it. Which areas of the economy right now are having tons of problems? The virtually unregulated office supply market? The unegulating computer market? The unregulated building supply market? Electrical market? Food market?

No, none of these areas of our economy, and many others, are having any problems whatsoever. A purely capitalistic system, that provides the most good, to the most people.

So what areas are having problems? The highly regulated housing market, with a centralized government entity, Fannie and Freddie, controlling the vast majority of the market.

The highly regulated health care market, with a centralized government agency, Medicare, controlling the vast majority of the market.

The highly regulated banking market, with a centralized government agencies, FDIC and the Federal Reserve, controlling the vast majority of the market.

If having a balance in capitalism verse socialism, was the key, then why is it that all the unregulated capitalists system have no problem providing services and products for the people, but all the 'balanced' socialized systems do?

Socialism never works. Never. Not one time. And trying to have some sort of a hybrid system, means that people game the system, until it breaks.

So you mean deadbeats are people who aren't sick but pretend they are?

Yes. That is very common, but also it means more than that.

For example, here in Ohio, we have had several doctors get sent to prison because they handed out tons of prescriptions for oxycodone, to people who asked for it.

Doctors would move into economically depressed areas, where people wanted to medicate their pain away. Doctors knew this, so they go there, open up a shop, charge people $250 per person, and hand out a prescription for $1,000 worth of pills.

So how can they afford this? Medicaid. Medicaid covers the majority of the cost. They then take the pills and sell them for $10,000, which covers the cost of the next doctor visit, and the co-pay for medicaid, and of course some money and pills left over to get high off of.

In a free-market capitalist system, where the patient was paying the bill themselves, this would never work.

But of course the left-wing would hunt down some person, make up a story that they were on the verge of dying, and the evil Republicans were doing it to them.

In reality, their system has caused the opioid mass deaths across the country right now... AND is bankrupting the country.

There are other situations too. For example, more and more people are choosing to live a promiscuous lifestyle, and highest rates of new HIV infections is happening in this group. We have to pay for that, if we have socialized care.

Let me give you a better real life example. I had a relative in the family who was told if he didn't quit drinking alcohol, he would die. He refused. He's dead today. But not before spending hundreds of thousands in treatment. In that case, he had private insurance, and paid for it himself. In a socialized system, we would have to pay the price for all such examples of irresponsibility.

I had a co-worker year ago, who was an open, admitted, alcoholic. She drink, by her own admission, until she passed out every other day. She ended up in the hospital routinely. The last time she ended up with her heart stopping, and had to have surgery. Again, she's telling me this, and everyone there said this is what happened.

The doctor told her she had to stop drinking, or she was going to die. When I left the company, she was still a drunk.

Under a socialized system, we pay for that, instead of her.

Then you have problems like they had in France. In France, doctor visits used to be free. But they found situations where people would go to the doctor.... simply because they were lonely.

Another problem was that because pills were free, they could take so many pills, that they would end up getting sick from the pills, and take more pills to rememdy the illness brought on by the pills they were already taking.

Of course in a free-market capitalist system, where they were paying for their own pills, this wouldn't happen. But is a socialized system, like that of France, the public pays for it, which is why they are in an economic crisis right now.

There are hundreds of examples where in a socialized system, people adapt to the incentives they are given, and break the system.

Venezuela is having that happen right now. Electricity is highly regulated and subsidized in Venezuela. This was done so the poorest people can have electricity. At the same time, Venezuela has extensive capital controls preventing monetary flight from the country, because of high taxes and tariffs and regulations.

Well they now have found that people are renting industrial areas (which has fewer power outages), and filling them with old computers to do bitcoin mining. They then take the bitcoins to get money outside Venezuela, to buy food, and property out of the country, so they can leave Venezuela. And the only reason this works, is because electricity is so cheap, that bitcoin mining is profitable.

No matter what system you put in place, people are going to find a way around that system.

 

[Andylusion]

When I got sick, I went to the hospital. I didn't have money for it, so I got a bill. I paid the bill. I was the better part of three years paying off that bill. But I paid it. I didn't whine and cry like a left-wing baby, that it was YOUR job to pay MY bill.

With the exception of this quote, your rant has no real relevancy to the op.

MY RESPONSE:

The anecdote of your personal experience seems contrived at best. I was under the assumption that, as a working adult you always had health insurance. Now, according to your words above, you had to pay for a hospital stay out of your pocket. Please elaborate... Did you have insurance or not?

You already proved yourself unqualified to discuss this topic. I no longer care what you think on this issue.