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When is Obama going to stop delaying all the mandates in his so called signature achievement? That seems far more important than some silly Re-Baptize stuff which is being put for nothing more than to mock and ridicule people for daring to have religious convictions and actually stand up for them. I would like to point out Hobby Lobby could have simply dropped the coverage they have given their employees for years and sent them into the Obamacare wasteland instead they are fighting against a part of the law that goes against their convictions and letting their employees keep their insurance something to be respected in my opinion.
It's a legal ploy that has nothing to do with God or the well being of any employee and everything to do with politics.
Prove it....oh wait...you can't.
When is Obama going to stop delaying all the mandates in his so called signature achievement? That seems far more important than some silly Re-Baptize stuff which is being put for nothing more than to mock and ridicule people for daring to have religious convictions and actually stand up for them. I would like to point out Hobby Lobby could have simply dropped the coverage they have given their employees for years and sent them into the Obamacare wasteland instead they are fighting against a part of the law that goes against their convictions and letting their employees keep their insurance something to be respected in my opinion.
It's a legal ploy that has nothing to do with God or the well being of any employee and everything to do with politics.
It's a legal ploy that has nothing to do with God or the well being of any employee and everything to do with politics.
Prove it....oh wait...you can't.
Who's fighting this battle? Politicians and lawyers that's who, when they think Jesus they are thinking of their lawn man. It's all about politics because either way it's a big victory for some political faction and only a dubious victory for religious freedom.
I say this:
If a corporation is "public", as in publicly traded, then it should be held to the same rules that any public agency should. Meaning they cannot discriminate in any way, and must follow all laws.
If you sell stock on the market, you are a "public" company.
Wanna avoid all that? Stay small.
When is Obama going to stop delaying all the mandates in his so called signature achievement? That seems far more important than some silly Re-Baptize stuff which is being put for nothing more than to mock and ridicule people for daring to have religious convictions and actually stand up for them. I would like to point out Hobby Lobby could have simply dropped the coverage they have given their employees for years and sent them into the Obamacare wasteland instead they are fighting against a part of the law that goes against their convictions and letting their employees keep their insurance something to be respected in my opinion.
It's a legal ploy that has nothing to do with God or the well being of any employee and everything to do with politics.
You mean like how constantly delaying the mandates in Obamacare has everything to do with politics and nothing to do with peoples well being?
I mean, according to the Republicans and the RW Conservatives, corporations are people, people who are guaranteed the right to freedom of religion.
So when can I expect to see a corporation walking down the isle at church responding to the plea for re-baptism?
This weekend?
Sooo... When will we see corporations
Go to confession when they've sinned?
Pay pennance for their sins?
Visit the incarcerated, comfort the ill, and help the poor like good Christians?
Or r their religious observances limitted to denying women medicine for their health and reproductive freedom?
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Prove it....oh wait...you can't.
Who's fighting this battle? Politicians and lawyers that's who, when they think Jesus they are thinking of their lawn man. It's all about politics because either way it's a big victory for some political faction and only a dubious victory for religious freedom.
Prove your assertions that the Hobby Lobby owners are NOT standing up for their beliefs....until then you are just blowing smoke.
Who's fighting this battle? Politicians and lawyers that's who, when they think Jesus they are thinking of their lawn man. It's all about politics because either way it's a big victory for some political faction and only a dubious victory for religious freedom.
Prove your assertions that the Hobby Lobby owners are NOT standing up for their beliefs....until then you are just blowing smoke.
Are your politics and religion totally separated and neither influences the other? Of course they aren't and neither are the people spending megabucks to fight this. Whatever it is you want proof of irrelevant, regardless of the original intent of bringing this challenge it has undeniably turned into a political battle and by continuing it the owners of Hobby Lobby totally approve of their beliefs becoming a political football.
It's a legal ploy that has nothing to do with God or the well being of any employee and everything to do with politics.
You mean like how constantly delaying the mandates in Obamacare has everything to do with politics and nothing to do with peoples well being?
Every program the government ever implemented had to be tweaked as well as any other complex plan ever put into place by mankind. At least someone is trying make this work rather than trying to blow it up. Where's the regard for well-being in deliberately trying to sabotage it not to work?
I mean, according to the Republicans and the RW Conservatives, corporations are people, people who are guaranteed the right to freedom of religion.
So when can I expect to see a corporation walking down the isle at church responding to the plea for re-baptism?
This weekend?
Can corporations get married and have children?
I'm honestly not sure what you were asking.Ahhh...so now you reveal that your previous post was just more deception laced with partisan RW rhetoric. You DO know better.
Yes, to finish that concept, if/when one is baptized as a child one doesn't have the mental capacity to know what's happening, certainly not something as serious as coming to your eternal Lord and Savior.
Furthermore, as adults we may stumble and fall, sometimes multiple times. If you understand what baptism is it's a remission of sin, asking for forgiveness and re-newing your life in Christ. Not sure what limit YOU would like to put on that, as it can happen as many or as few times as necessary, seeing that Jesus is always there to wash away our sins, forgive and save us.
As far as how it applies to Hobby Lobby, first of all I DIDN'T mention any specific corporation by name, so that's telling that YOU did. Moreover, I'D also like to know what Hobby Lobby has to do with the individuals freedoms as well.
Care to share?
Furthermore, as adults we may stumble and fall, sometimes multiple times. If you understand what baptism is it's a remission of sin, asking for forgiveness and re-newing your life in Christ. Not sure what limit YOU would like to put on that, as it can happen as many or as few times as necessary, seeing that Jesus is always there to wash away our sins, forgive and save us.
So tell us Marc.....how many times did Christ for sin?
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Did you want to take a stab at the question?
Surely a learned Christian man like yourself can answer something so simple as that.
Not quite that simple. If it's the law of land, it should apply to every person and business within the scope of the law, not to just those that agree with the law.Sooo... When will we see corporations
Go to confession when they've sinned?
Pay pennance for their sins?
Visit the incarcerated, comfort the ill, and help the poor like good Christians?
Or r their religious observances limitted to denying women medicine for their health and reproductive freedom?
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They can buy it themselves, yes it is just that simple.
Sooo... When will we see corporations
Go to confession when they've sinned?
Pay pennance for their sins?
Visit the incarcerated, comfort the ill, and help the poor like good Christians?
Or r their religious observances limitted to denying women medicine for their health and reproductive freedom?
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I mean, according to the Republicans and the RW Conservatives, corporations are people, people who are guaranteed the right to freedom of religion.
So when can I expect to see a corporation walking down the isle at church responding to the plea for re-baptism?
This weekend?
I mean, according to the Republicans and the RW Conservatives, corporations are people, people who are guaranteed the right to freedom of religion.
So when can I expect to see a corporation walking down the isle at church responding to the plea for re-baptism?
This weekend?
Apparently, Green and his family run Hobby Lobby on "Christian principles" only when it is convenient and good for the bottom line. They send their "Christian" money to China and its policy of one child per family and forced abortions:
The policy is controversial for a number of reasons, but maybe the one that Americans hear about most is the practice of forcing abortions on mothers who become pregnant with an unapproved second child. And that may get to the biggest misunderstanding that most Americans have about the policy: why these things keep happening. As my Beijing-based colleague William Wan writes in an insightful explainer, "practices of forced abortions, infanticide and involuntary sterilizations [are] all banned in theory by the government," but they still happen. They're no longer frequent, but they do happen.
In July 2012, for example, a 23-year-old mother became pregnant with her second child. Local officials arrested her, seven months into her pregnancy, and demanded her family pay $6,000 in fines for violating the one-child policy. When the family couldn't get the money together, the officials gave her an injection that killed the baby, whom the mother delivered stillborn while in police custody. It became an international news story when the mother, outraged at her child's death and at the indignity of being forced to wait alongside the body, posted a gruesome photo of the scene on social media. In China, it generated a national debate over the question, Why is this still happening?
We have our moral and religious values. Do not rob, do not murder, do not steal. However, our behavior changes the minute we go into the corporate world. All of a sudden all of this is irrelevant. In a corporation, there is only one God, profit.Talk about two-faced. Of course, being a corporation they can have as many faces as they want.
'Christian values' Hobby Lobby purchases its products from #1 'family planning' nation China
Apparently, Green and his family run Hobby Lobby on "Christian principles" only when it is convenient and good for the bottom line. They send their "Christian" money to China and its policy of one child per family and forced abortions:
The policy is controversial for a number of reasons, but maybe the one that Americans hear about most is the practice of forcing abortions on mothers who become pregnant with an unapproved second child. And that may get to the biggest misunderstanding that most Americans have about the policy: why these things keep happening. As my Beijing-based colleague William Wan writes in an insightful explainer, "practices of forced abortions, infanticide and involuntary sterilizations [are] all banned in theory by the government," but they still happen. They're no longer frequent, but they do happen.
In July 2012, for example, a 23-year-old mother became pregnant with her second child. Local officials arrested her, seven months into her pregnancy, and demanded her family pay $6,000 in fines for violating the one-child policy. When the family couldn't get the money together, the officials gave her an injection that killed the baby, whom the mother delivered stillborn while in police custody. It became an international news story when the mother, outraged at her child's death and at the indignity of being forced to wait alongside the body, posted a gruesome photo of the scene on social media. In China, it generated a national debate over the question, Why is this still happening?
Oh, I would LOVE to hear the rationale on this one.
