So Precisely How Is A Question About Citizenship "Political"?

[Care4all]

You're right,

there are ZERO illegal immigrants in this Nation!

I didn't suggest there weren't any illegal immigrants ... Simply that you cannot refer to a count that hasn't been taken ...
If you would like to refer to a sequence in regards to unverified data ... Well, that's your shortcoming.

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How do you know California has the most illegal immigrants?

The whole purpose of this exercise of Trump's and Republicans is for political purpose to try to reduce the amount of constitutional and legal Representatives in California....

 

[BlackSand]

How do you know California has the most illegal immigrants?

I didn't suggest I did know California has more illegal immigrants ... You made that suggestion ...
I simply asked you what you based your suggestion on ... Since you clearly aren't interested in an accurate count in regards to who is a legal citizen.

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[Care4all]

How do you know California has the most illegal immigrants?

I didn't suggest I did know California has more illegal immigrants ... You made that suggestion ...
I simply asked you what you based your suggestion on ... Since you clearly aren't interested in an accurate count in regards to who is a legal citizen.

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HOW are you going to get an accurate account?

This measure is an absolute JOKE, and meant to keep illegals from being counted in the census....because THEY WILL NOT list themselves on the census as an illegal.....
there is no way Jose' that they will list themselves as illegals with Trump as President, PERIOD! The Daca's were PROMISED by our govt that signing up would NOT be used for any other purpose but bringing them out of the woodwork, but TRUMP reneged the promise....

This measure is trying to "go around" the Constitutional requirement that ALL PEOPLE living within the States, determine the number of Representatives the US Congress has.

 

[mudwhistle]

What are you doing even reading HuffPo?

Have you and Lakota all of a sudden become good friends? Or are you in fact the same poster, just posting threads from a different POV?

This is the most utter piece of crap source to post from.


See, here's the problem with the article, it spreads disinformation that needs to be stopped at the source, I see it EVERYWHERE in the MSM. They are spreading a false notion, it is the notion that undocumented immigrants even HAVE civil rights and civil liberties to begin with.

Let's examine the by-line of this propaganda, and we need not read on. . .

Civil rights groups say the question is untested and could depress response rates among minorities.

Although, Mr. Holder's tweet tells us all we need to know;

"Constitution does not require citizenship question. This is purely political. Trump Administration is trying to rig the 2020 Census (to protect gerrymandering) by intimidating people. Don’t be fooled-some states will unfairly lose funds and representation. We will sue. https://twitter.com/demredistrict/status/978490568182509569 …"

Undocumented immigrants DO NOT HAVE civil rights and civil liberties protected by the Constitution. Do Russian, Chinese, and Iranians have civil rights and civil liberties protected by our constitution? Of course not.

That is what these illegals are, they are citizens of foreign nations, covered by the laws of OTHER nations. They are only protected by the UN charter on HUMAN RIGHT, IOW, they only have HUMAN RIGHTS, that is all.

When Mr. Holder tweeted, what he was basically saying, was, with the addition of such a question, it will be harder to rig elections based on non-citizen representation.

I cannot stress enough, when ever the MSM feeds you bullshit about illegals being denied their "civil rights and civil liberties," remember, ONLY CITIZENS are covered by the Constitutional LAW. If a lawyer or a judge rules otherwise, they are a globalist. Our law is not to apply to foreigners.

Wrong....
Anyone living on our soil has the same civil rights as citizens, UNLESS they have diplomatic immunity......

The courts settled this already Mr. Bealle?

Wrong... They do not have the right to vote, the right to some government jobs, and the right to gun ownership. Yes, illegal aliens have constitutional rights

 

[BlackSand]

HOW are you going to get an accurate account?

This measure is an absolute JOKE, and meant to keep illegals from being counted in the census....because THEY WILL NOT list themselves on the census as an illegal.....
there is no way Jose' that they will list themselves as illegals with Trump as President, PERIOD! The Daca's were PROMISED by our govt that signing up would NOT be used for any other purpose but bringing them out of the woodwork, but TRUMP reneged the promise....

This measure is trying to "go around" the Constitutional requirement that ALL PEOPLE living within the States, determine the number of Representatives the US Congress has.

You certainly aren't going to get a more accurate count by not counting ...

Perhaps we can just be thankful you don't work in a pharmacy or bank.
I am sure they could probably use your help in a government office though ... They never seem to appear all that interested in accountability over politics.

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[RetiredGySgt]

I can understand both sides on this issue.

Yes, it is for political purpose and the Constitution does not require it and no one has ever required it....

and if it is instituted, then people who have undocummented people in their household will simply not give an accurate account of how many people are in their household....and America/ the USA will not have an accurate account of how many people are living in this country....

Or, what's to prevent them from lying?

Is the government going to hire a thousand people to somehow verify it?

It would help us, the Democrats, in states like Texas and Florida and Arizona, Arkansas etc, if the illegals were removed or not counted in the census for the purpose of Congressional districts, which is based on census population....if they only count citizens in the census then these red states will have fewer Representatives than they have now....they get a representative for every 700,000 citizens or so.....though Democrats would lose a few representative positions as well in California....

Good then California will lose some of its ILLEGAL representation in Congress.

that breaks the constitution, where it requires all people to be counted for representation allotment, NOT just citizens....

Read the 14th again YOU quoted it, the statement is clear NON VOTING people over 21 are NOT counted for representation.

 

[Care4all]

HOW are you going to get an accurate account?

This measure is an absolute JOKE, and meant to keep illegals from being counted in the census....because THEY WILL NOT list themselves on the census as an illegal.....
there is no way Jose' that they will list themselves as illegals with Trump as President, PERIOD! The Daca's were PROMISED by our govt that signing up would NOT be used for any other purpose but bringing them out of the woodwork, but TRUMP reneged the promise....

This measure is trying to "go around" the Constitutional requirement that ALL PEOPLE living within the States, determine the number of Representatives the US Congress has.

You certainly aren't going to get a more accurate count by not counting ...

Perhaps we can just be thankful you don't work in a pharmacy or bank.
I am sure they could probably use your help in a government office though ... They never seem to appear all that interested in accountability over politics.

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You will get a les accurate account of the PEOPLE within a state, that the constitution REQUIRES to alot the number of Representatives.....

The census was never purposed to determine the number of illegals in a state.

PERIOD

and what the Republicans are trying to do, is merely for political purpose, to disenfranchise States of their legal representation in Congress.

There is NO OTHER PURPOSE for this suggestion of theirs than to make the constitutionally mandated federal census inaccurate, so to reduce the number of US Congressmen from states like California.

END OF STORY

we are on to you and your dirty tricks, Republicans.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

gosh, I should research things before I open my mouth!!!

It;s the 14th, Section 2....plus I think it was amended again.... on the Indian thingy....they could not stop the native Americans from voting even if they paid no taxes....and also amended to 18 yrs old and not 21.... etc

I'm not certain I fully understand what they say in it?

Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.

So we NEED the question since ILLEGAL aliens can not vote and can NOT be used to determine the number of Representatives a State gets.

no no and no

The number of Representative positions are determined by the count of ALL people.

Voting has different criteria

READ the damn amendment it is clear as a bell you quoted it.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

What are you doing even reading HuffPo?

Have you and Lakota all of a sudden become good friends? Or are you in fact the same poster, just posting threads from a different POV?

This is the most utter piece of crap source to post from.


See, here's the problem with the article, it spreads disinformation that needs to be stopped at the source, I see it EVERYWHERE in the MSM. They are spreading a false notion, it is the notion that undocumented immigrants even HAVE civil rights and civil liberties to begin with.

Let's examine the by-line of this propaganda, and we need not read on. . .

Civil rights groups say the question is untested and could depress response rates among minorities.

Although, Mr. Holder's tweet tells us all we need to know;

"Constitution does not require citizenship question. This is purely political. Trump Administration is trying to rig the 2020 Census (to protect gerrymandering) by intimidating people. Don’t be fooled-some states will unfairly lose funds and representation. We will sue. https://twitter.com/demredistrict/status/978490568182509569 …"

Undocumented immigrants DO NOT HAVE civil rights and civil liberties protected by the Constitution. Do Russian, Chinese, and Iranians have civil rights and civil liberties protected by our constitution? Of course not.

That is what these illegals are, they are citizens of foreign nations, covered by the laws of OTHER nations. They are only protected by the UN charter on HUMAN RIGHT, IOW, they only have HUMAN RIGHTS, that is all.

When Mr. Holder tweeted, what he was basically saying, was, with the addition of such a question, it will be harder to rig elections based on non-citizen representation.

I cannot stress enough, when ever the MSM feeds you bullshit about illegals being denied their "civil rights and civil liberties," remember, ONLY CITIZENS are covered by the Constitutional LAW. If a lawyer or a judge rules otherwise, they are a globalist. Our law is not to apply to foreigners.

Wrong....
Anyone living on our soil has the same civil rights as citizens, UNLESS they have diplomatic immunity......

The courts settled this already Mr. Bealle?

they can't vote
they should not be counted when calculating the number of representatives a state is allowed in Congress

too bad so sad.

The constitution specifically states that ALL PEOPLE within a State get counted in the census that determines the number of representatives, but only citizens meeting age requirements, not aiding an enemy can vote....

The 14th amendment clealry states that those not eligible to vote do NOT count toward representation of a State read your OWN QUOTED section.

 

[Care4all]

I can understand both sides on this issue.

Yes, it is for political purpose and the Constitution does not require it and no one has ever required it....

and if it is instituted, then people who have undocummented people in their household will simply not give an accurate account of how many people are in their household....and America/ the USA will not have an accurate account of how many people are living in this country....

Or, what's to prevent them from lying?

Is the government going to hire a thousand people to somehow verify it?

It would help us, the Democrats, in states like Texas and Florida and Arizona, Arkansas etc, if the illegals were removed or not counted in the census for the purpose of Congressional districts, which is based on census population....if they only count citizens in the census then these red states will have fewer Representatives than they have now....they get a representative for every 700,000 citizens or so.....though Democrats would lose a few representative positions as well in California....

Good then California will lose some of its ILLEGAL representation in Congress.

that breaks the constitution, where it requires all people to be counted for representation allotment, NOT just citizens....

Read the 14th again YOU quoted it, the statement is clear NON VOTING people over 21 are NOT counted for representation.

ok, I will read it again....

 

[BlackSand]

You will get a les accurate account of the PEOPLE within a state, that the constitution REQUIRES to alot the number of Representatives.....

The census was never purposed to determine the number of illegals in a state.

PERIOD

and what the Republicans are trying to do, is merely for political purpose, to disenfranchise States of their legal representation in Congress.

There is NO OTHER PURPOSE for this suggestion of theirs than to make the constitutionally mandated federal census inaccurate, so to reduce the number of US Congressmen from states like California.

END OF STORY

we are on to you and your dirty tricks, Republicans.

That's less than accurate ... As usual coming from you in this discussion.
Feel free to argue with the Supreme Court if you feel like arguing the matter any further ...

"It is constitutional to include questions in the decennial census beyond those concerning a simple count of the number of people. On numerous occasions, the courts have said the Constitution gives Congress the authority to collect statistics in the census. As early as 1870, the Supreme Court characterized as unquestionable the power of Congress to require both an enumeration and the collection of statistics in the census."


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[Care4all]

What are you doing even reading HuffPo?

Have you and Lakota all of a sudden become good friends? Or are you in fact the same poster, just posting threads from a different POV?

This is the most utter piece of crap source to post from.


See, here's the problem with the article, it spreads disinformation that needs to be stopped at the source, I see it EVERYWHERE in the MSM. They are spreading a false notion, it is the notion that undocumented immigrants even HAVE civil rights and civil liberties to begin with.

Let's examine the by-line of this propaganda, and we need not read on. . .

Civil rights groups say the question is untested and could depress response rates among minorities.

Although, Mr. Holder's tweet tells us all we need to know;

"Constitution does not require citizenship question. This is purely political. Trump Administration is trying to rig the 2020 Census (to protect gerrymandering) by intimidating people. Don’t be fooled-some states will unfairly lose funds and representation. We will sue. https://twitter.com/demredistrict/status/978490568182509569 …"

Undocumented immigrants DO NOT HAVE civil rights and civil liberties protected by the Constitution. Do Russian, Chinese, and Iranians have civil rights and civil liberties protected by our constitution? Of course not.

That is what these illegals are, they are citizens of foreign nations, covered by the laws of OTHER nations. They are only protected by the UN charter on HUMAN RIGHT, IOW, they only have HUMAN RIGHTS, that is all.

When Mr. Holder tweeted, what he was basically saying, was, with the addition of such a question, it will be harder to rig elections based on non-citizen representation.

I cannot stress enough, when ever the MSM feeds you bullshit about illegals being denied their "civil rights and civil liberties," remember, ONLY CITIZENS are covered by the Constitutional LAW. If a lawyer or a judge rules otherwise, they are a globalist. Our law is not to apply to foreigners.

Wrong....
Anyone living on our soil has the same civil rights as citizens, UNLESS they have diplomatic immunity......

The courts settled this already Mr. Bealle?

they can't vote
they should not be counted when calculating the number of representatives a state is allowed in Congress

too bad so sad.

The constitution specifically states that ALL PEOPLE within a State get counted in the census that determines the number of representatives, but only citizens meeting age requirements, not aiding an enemy can vote....

The 14th amendment clealry states that those not eligible to vote do NOT count toward representation of a State read your OWN QUOTED section.

Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State

What does that mean to you?

 

[Care4all]

You will get a les accurate account of the PEOPLE within a state, that the constitution REQUIRES to alot the number of Representatives.....

The census was never purposed to determine the number of illegals in a state.

PERIOD

and what the Republicans are trying to do, is merely for political purpose, to disenfranchise States of their legal representation in Congress.

There is NO OTHER PURPOSE for this suggestion of theirs than to make the constitutionally mandated federal census inaccurate, so to reduce the number of US Congressmen from states like California.

END OF STORY

we are on to you and your dirty tricks, Republicans.

That's less than accurate ... As usual coming from you in this discussion.
Feel free to argue with the Supreme Court if you feel like arguing the matter any further ...

"It is constitutional to include questions in the decennial census beyond those concerning a simple count of the number of people. On numerous occasions, the courts have said the Constitution gives Congress the authority to collect statistics in the census. As early as 1870, the Supreme Court characterized as unquestionable the power of Congress to require both an enumeration and the collection of statistics in the census."


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an accurate account of the number of people in a census is important, and all studies show, that putting in this question of citizenship, reduces the accuracy of how many people reside in the USA.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

From the quoted section that you seem unable to SEE.

But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

You will get a les accurate account of the PEOPLE within a state, that the constitution REQUIRES to alot the number of Representatives.....

The census was never purposed to determine the number of illegals in a state.

PERIOD

and what the Republicans are trying to do, is merely for political purpose, to disenfranchise States of their legal representation in Congress.

There is NO OTHER PURPOSE for this suggestion of theirs than to make the constitutionally mandated federal census inaccurate, so to reduce the number of US Congressmen from states like California.

END OF STORY

we are on to you and your dirty tricks, Republicans.

That's less than accurate ... As usual coming from you in this discussion.
Feel free to argue with the Supreme Court if you feel like arguing the matter any further ...

"It is constitutional to include questions in the decennial census beyond those concerning a simple count of the number of people. On numerous occasions, the courts have said the Constitution gives Congress the authority to collect statistics in the census. As early as 1870, the Supreme Court characterized as unquestionable the power of Congress to require both an enumeration and the collection of statistics in the census."


.

an accurate account of the number of people in a census is important, and all studies show, that putting in this question of citizenship, reduces the accuracy of how many people reside in the USA.

You keep quoting the relevant part with OUT reading it, IT STATES those not eligible to vote do NOT count for representation.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

The Dirty Democrats are doing everything possible to make citizenship and the sovereignty of our country meaningless.
The Democrats are anti American.

 

[BlackSand]

an accurate account of the number of people in a census is important, and all studies show, that putting in this question of citizenship, reduces the accuracy of how many people reside in the USA.

Your explanation as to your desires is not going to increase the accuracy of your count in regards to the number of illegal immigrants you aren't counting ...
Nor does it support your lack of accuracy in properly identifying the intent or the ability of Congress to require a statistical count.

You can keep arguing with yourself ... You have not presented an argument worth consideration towards my comments ...

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[TroglocratsRdumb]

More of the usual nonsense.

“This untimely, unnecessary, and untested citizenship question will disrupt planning at a critical point, undermine years of painstaking preparation, and increase costs significantly, putting a successful, accurate count at risk,” Gupta, now the president and CEO of The Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights, said in a statement. “The question is unnecessarily intrusive and will raise concerns in all households – native- and foreign-born, citizen and non-citizen – about the confidentiality of information provided to the government and how government authorities may use that information.”

Idiots. Citizenship status is not confidential.

Commerce Department Decides To Add A Question About Citizenship To 2020 Census | HuffPost

Morning, Billy. I think the political tag is because people who are not citizens, even green card citizens, feel as though it is the same as painting a target on their back. There are so many instances of people being deported even though they've done everything right, families pulled apart, etc. Trump keeps talking about M13, but what's being done about this nasty bunch. All I've seen is the use of their nastiness as a cudgel against non-M13 immigrants, but no culling of their ranks, while the good guys get grabbed up by the truckload. Trump NEEDS them to keep you boiling. However, if the census questionnaire is not answered truthfully, the census will not be accurate. And if not accurate, why do it? Save that money for a military parade or a wall somebody else ain't paying for or something!

All countries control their border crossings and their immigration, why can't we?

 

[Care4all]

What are you doing even reading HuffPo?

Have you and Lakota all of a sudden become good friends? Or are you in fact the same poster, just posting threads from a different POV?

This is the most utter piece of crap source to post from.


See, here's the problem with the article, it spreads disinformation that needs to be stopped at the source, I see it EVERYWHERE in the MSM. They are spreading a false notion, it is the notion that undocumented immigrants even HAVE civil rights and civil liberties to begin with.

Let's examine the by-line of this propaganda, and we need not read on. . .

Civil rights groups say the question is untested and could depress response rates among minorities.

Although, Mr. Holder's tweet tells us all we need to know;

"Constitution does not require citizenship question. This is purely political. Trump Administration is trying to rig the 2020 Census (to protect gerrymandering) by intimidating people. Don’t be fooled-some states will unfairly lose funds and representation. We will sue. https://twitter.com/demredistrict/status/978490568182509569 …"

Undocumented immigrants DO NOT HAVE civil rights and civil liberties protected by the Constitution. Do Russian, Chinese, and Iranians have civil rights and civil liberties protected by our constitution? Of course not.

That is what these illegals are, they are citizens of foreign nations, covered by the laws of OTHER nations. They are only protected by the UN charter on HUMAN RIGHT, IOW, they only have HUMAN RIGHTS, that is all.

When Mr. Holder tweeted, what he was basically saying, was, with the addition of such a question, it will be harder to rig elections based on non-citizen representation.

I cannot stress enough, when ever the MSM feeds you bullshit about illegals being denied their "civil rights and civil liberties," remember, ONLY CITIZENS are covered by the Constitutional LAW. If a lawyer or a judge rules otherwise, they are a globalist. Our law is not to apply to foreigners.

Wrong....
Anyone living on our soil has the same civil rights as citizens, UNLESS they have diplomatic immunity......

The courts settled this already Mr. Bealle?

they can't vote
they should not be counted when calculating the number of representatives a state is allowed in Congress

too bad so sad.

The constitution specifically states that ALL PEOPLE within a State get counted in the census that determines the number of representatives, but only citizens meeting age requirements, not aiding an enemy can vote....

The 14th amendment clealry states that those not eligible to vote do NOT count toward representation of a State read your OWN QUOTED section.

Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State

What does that mean to you?

What are you doing even reading HuffPo?

Have you and Lakota all of a sudden become good friends? Or are you in fact the same poster, just posting threads from a different POV?

This is the most utter piece of crap source to post from.


See, here's the problem with the article, it spreads disinformation that needs to be stopped at the source, I see it EVERYWHERE in the MSM. They are spreading a false notion, it is the notion that undocumented immigrants even HAVE civil rights and civil liberties to begin with.

Let's examine the by-line of this propaganda, and we need not read on. . .

Civil rights groups say the question is untested and could depress response rates among minorities.

Although, Mr. Holder's tweet tells us all we need to know;

"Constitution does not require citizenship question. This is purely political. Trump Administration is trying to rig the 2020 Census (to protect gerrymandering) by intimidating people. Don’t be fooled-some states will unfairly lose funds and representation. We will sue. https://twitter.com/demredistrict/status/978490568182509569 …"

Undocumented immigrants DO NOT HAVE civil rights and civil liberties protected by the Constitution. Do Russian, Chinese, and Iranians have civil rights and civil liberties protected by our constitution? Of course not.

That is what these illegals are, they are citizens of foreign nations, covered by the laws of OTHER nations. They are only protected by the UN charter on HUMAN RIGHT, IOW, they only have HUMAN RIGHTS, that is all.

When Mr. Holder tweeted, what he was basically saying, was, with the addition of such a question, it will be harder to rig elections based on non-citizen representation.

I cannot stress enough, when ever the MSM feeds you bullshit about illegals being denied their "civil rights and civil liberties," remember, ONLY CITIZENS are covered by the Constitutional LAW. If a lawyer or a judge rules otherwise, they are a globalist. Our law is not to apply to foreigners.

Wrong....
Anyone living on our soil has the same civil rights as citizens, UNLESS they have diplomatic immunity......

The courts settled this already Mr. Bealle?

they can't vote
they should not be counted when calculating the number of representatives a state is allowed in Congress

too bad so sad.

The constitution specifically states that ALL PEOPLE within a State get counted in the census that determines the number of representatives, but only citizens meeting age requirements, not aiding an enemy can vote....

The 14th amendment clealry states that those not eligible to vote do NOT count toward representation of a State read your OWN QUOTED section.

I'm just trying to go over each sentence in it RGS....

the first sentence implies that the count of all people within the state determines the number of representatives....does it not?

We will go over the rest as well, but this very first part does imply that it is not just those that are 21 and over, and male citizens that have not committed treason or other crimes, that is counted in the census for representatives. right?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Wrong....
Anyone living on our soil has the same civil rights as citizens, UNLESS they have diplomatic immunity......

The courts settled this already Mr. Bealle?

they can't vote
they should not be counted when calculating the number of representatives a state is allowed in Congress

too bad so sad.

The constitution specifically states that ALL PEOPLE within a State get counted in the census that determines the number of representatives, but only citizens meeting age requirements, not aiding an enemy can vote....

The 14th amendment clealry states that those not eligible to vote do NOT count toward representation of a State read your OWN QUOTED section.

Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State

What does that mean to you?

What are you doing even reading HuffPo?

Have you and Lakota all of a sudden become good friends? Or are you in fact the same poster, just posting threads from a different POV?

This is the most utter piece of crap source to post from.


See, here's the problem with the article, it spreads disinformation that needs to be stopped at the source, I see it EVERYWHERE in the MSM. They are spreading a false notion, it is the notion that undocumented immigrants even HAVE civil rights and civil liberties to begin with.

Let's examine the by-line of this propaganda, and we need not read on. . .

Civil rights groups say the question is untested and could depress response rates among minorities.

Although, Mr. Holder's tweet tells us all we need to know;

"Constitution does not require citizenship question. This is purely political. Trump Administration is trying to rig the 2020 Census (to protect gerrymandering) by intimidating people. Don’t be fooled-some states will unfairly lose funds and representation. We will sue. https://twitter.com/demredistrict/status/978490568182509569 …"

Undocumented immigrants DO NOT HAVE civil rights and civil liberties protected by the Constitution. Do Russian, Chinese, and Iranians have civil rights and civil liberties protected by our constitution? Of course not.

That is what these illegals are, they are citizens of foreign nations, covered by the laws of OTHER nations. They are only protected by the UN charter on HUMAN RIGHT, IOW, they only have HUMAN RIGHTS, that is all.

When Mr. Holder tweeted, what he was basically saying, was, with the addition of such a question, it will be harder to rig elections based on non-citizen representation.

I cannot stress enough, when ever the MSM feeds you bullshit about illegals being denied their "civil rights and civil liberties," remember, ONLY CITIZENS are covered by the Constitutional LAW. If a lawyer or a judge rules otherwise, they are a globalist. Our law is not to apply to foreigners.

Wrong....
Anyone living on our soil has the same civil rights as citizens, UNLESS they have diplomatic immunity......

The courts settled this already Mr. Bealle?

they can't vote
they should not be counted when calculating the number of representatives a state is allowed in Congress

too bad so sad.

The constitution specifically states that ALL PEOPLE within a State get counted in the census that determines the number of representatives, but only citizens meeting age requirements, not aiding an enemy can vote....

The 14th amendment clealry states that those not eligible to vote do NOT count toward representation of a State read your OWN QUOTED section.

I'm just trying to go over each sentence in it RGS....

the first sentence implies that the count of all people within the state determines the number of representatives....does it not?

We will go over the rest as well, but this very first part does imply that it is not just those that are 21 and over, and male citizens that have not committed treason or other crimes, that is counted in the census for representatives. right?

Read the whole thing it states that for purpose of representation any one 21 and older that is denied the vote is not counted. Well it says males but that has been modified by the womans right to vote.