So I heard McCain wants to bomb Syria, opinions?

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Or are we too stuck on sex, boobs and rubbers to have an opinion yet?

I could agree with a target any tank in a residential area policy as long as its a joint operation. No boots, no invasion, just aerial support for the civilians that are being slaughtered.

Yes I know we have serious money problems but if we stopped trying to teach Afghanistan how to eat with a fork and tie a tie we wouldn't have a problem with it.

Didn't we do just the same thing in Lybia--and that appears to have back-fired on us. They held several American citizens hostage--called them spies--and it looks like Lybia may very well turn into another extremist muslim country.

IOW--we help them out--and they use the weapons we gave them--to turn on us.

It's about time we learned that the middle east is NOT Germany or Japan.

As far as John McCain--he definitely needs to retire. All he knows is WAR. All he wants is WAR.

No it doesn't have to be the same. Why does everyone think its all or nothing? We don't have to keep bombing them into submission like in Libya. Just stop the shelling of civilians. That lunatic knows what will happen if he persists after we say STOP with a couple blown up tanks.

 

[Avatar4321]

since neither the OP nor anyone else has posted a link to the exact comments by McCain...

John McCain: U.S. should bomb Syria - Scott Wong - POLITICO.com

“Providing military assistance to the Free Syrian Army and other opposition groups is necessary, but at this late hour, that alone will not be sufficient to stop the slaughter and save innocent lives. The only realistic way to do so is with foreign airpower,” McCain, a Vietnam War veteran and the top Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, said in a speech on the Senate floor.

“Therefore, at the request of [opposition forces], the United States should lead an international effort to protect key population centers in Syria, especially in the north, through airstrikes on Assad’s forces.”

How is this different than what Obama did in regards to Libya?

Answer... it's not.

Obama Says Allies Acting to Keep

“This is not an outcome that the United States or any of our partners sought,” Obama said yesterday in Brasilia, Brazil, where he started a scheduled five-day trip to Latin America. “But we cannot stand idly by when a tyrant tells his people that there will be no mercy.”

“We are answering the calls of a threatened people,” Obama said. “And we are acting in the interests of the United States and the world.”

I know it's not. I opposed the Lybian action as well.

 

[tinydancer]

While true Tiny, I'm not suggesting regime change as was our goal in Libya. I'm saying we have a duty as human beings to protect those who can't protect themselves.

While we can't help everyone we can help those who a currently involved in some of the worst mass murder since Iraq's kurds.

First let me say that I've been involved in women's issues in the ME since the mid 90's starting with Afghanistan.

I've recently come to the conclusion that all we are doing is creating a power vacuum and the "new boss is the same as the old boss". Or worse.

This is a really bitter pill for me to swallow because I truly fear this. And we've spend untold billions at this point in time from all the missions and I don't see any worth while results.

Al qaeda flags are being raised all over the Middle East now. Just happened a few hours ago that 25 policemen in Iraq were killed and the AQ flag was hoisted.

We went in to rid Afghanistan of AQ. This is a bad dream come true. We've just handed some key countries on a silver platter back to them.

 

[Syphon]

i didnt read all 5 pages of the thread on this so this may have been addressed but ill ask it anyways; how does mr mccain suggest we pay for this? i thought the GOP said we were broke?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

since neither the OP nor anyone else has posted a link to the exact comments by McCain...

John McCain: U.S. should bomb Syria - Scott Wong - POLITICO.com



How is this different than what Obama did in regards to Libya?

We bombed Libya to depose a dictator. We don't have to do that in Syria. We can protect the people by repelling the tanks. We don't have to keep bombing. A few tanks destroyed and the regime will not want to lose anymore. It's simply not the same kind of madman in control over there.

First, to be clear, I am not saying I agree or disagree with McCain.

Second, I am curious as to your military expertise. Which branch did you serve in, and in what capacity? Were you involved in military strategy? Threat assessment?

None of the above. But I do care about people being subjected to mass murder. Also I'm an American, and as such I'm entitled to have that my opinion. While serving in the military is a far more honorable service than anything I've ever done it doesn't mean I can't wish for better.

Not trying to claim my opinion is the proper military solution but at the same time we are quite capable of acheiving the over all goal. We did it in Iraq for a decade.

 

[Rocko]

since neither the OP nor anyone else has posted a link to the exact comments by McCain...

John McCain: U.S. should bomb Syria - Scott Wong - POLITICO.com

“Providing military assistance to the Free Syrian Army and other opposition groups is necessary, but at this late hour, that alone will not be sufficient to stop the slaughter and save innocent lives. The only realistic way to do so is with foreign airpower,” McCain, a Vietnam War veteran and the top Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, said in a speech on the Senate floor.

“Therefore, at the request of [opposition forces], the United States should lead an international effort to protect key population centers in Syria, especially in the north, through airstrikes on Assad’s forces.”

How is this different than what Obama did in regards to Libya?

Answer... it's not.

Obama Says Allies Acting to Keep

“This is not an outcome that the United States or any of our partners sought,” Obama said yesterday in Brasilia, Brazil, where he started a scheduled five-day trip to Latin America. “But we cannot stand idly by when a tyrant tells his people that there will be no mercy.”

“We are answering the calls of a threatened people,” Obama said. “And we are acting in the interests of the United States and the world.”

I know it's not. I opposed the Lybian action as well.

me three. Maybe I was wrong though. Time will tell.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Many of you keep asking "what if" some country bombed us.

All I can say is if our govt was pointlessly killing civilians in mass on a regular basis I would be thankful for any intervening force if it was done on behalf of the brutalized Americans. The question you keep posing suggests that we as the helping force is evil in some fashion. I submit to you that the only ones perceiving us in that fashion are the evil ones.

That is sad

 

[Avatar4321]

i didnt read all 5 pages of the thread on this so this may have been addressed but ill ask it anyways; how does mr mccain suggest we pay for this? i thought the GOP said we were broke?

we are broke and i doubt he has explained it.

 

[Full-Auto]

Or are we too stuck on sex, boobs and rubbers to have an opinion yet?

I could agree with a target any tank in a residential area policy as long as its a joint operation. No boots, no invasion, just aerial support for the civilians that are being slaughtered.

Yes I know we have serious money problems but if we stopped trying to teach Afghanistan how to eat with a fork and tie a tie we wouldn't have a problem with it.

Hmmmm. I wonder why he couldnt get enough support to win?

Even from those dead set against democrats, like me

 

[tinydancer]

Well it appears AQ is really busy. Death toll has just hit 107 on military bases in Yemeni now and they took all sorts of weapons.

You take out Assad, might has well just hand AQ Syria on a silver platter. At least Assad and Gaddafi kept AQ at bay.

Yikes.

ETA: I do not claim to have any answers on this. I'm just witnessing the results of power vacuums. And AQ is rocking right now.

 

[Avatar4321]

me three. Maybe I was wrong though. Time will tell.

I dont know whether I was right or wrong either.

i didn't see a reason for us to be there. And considering the rebels included Al Qaeda, I wasnt sure supporting them was the best decision. Strategically, it seemed wiser to let our enemies fight one another.

Ive also been persuaded by much of what Gandhi has to say about war. Not all of it. I think it's important defend ourselves etc. But I think there is alot more to non-violence than i realized before. There is power to it if it's done with faith in God. Not sure how to explain it completely. Im still figuring it out.

All I know is we dont have the money for war after war and we need to be focused on other things than policing the world.

 

[Avatar4321]

Well it appears AQ is really busy. Death toll has just hit 107 on military bases in Yemeni now and they took all sorts of weapons.

You take out Assad, might has well just hand AQ Syria on a silver platter. At least Assad and Gaddafi kept AQ at bay.

Yikes.

We may be building the Caliphate for them

 

[Rocko]

Or are we too stuck on sex, boobs and rubbers to have an opinion yet?

I could agree with a target any tank in a residential area policy as long as its a joint operation. No boots, no invasion, just aerial support for the civilians that are being slaughtered.

Yes I know we have serious money problems but if we stopped trying to teach Afghanistan how to eat with a fork and tie a tie we wouldn't have a problem with it.

Hmmmm. I wonder why he couldnt get enough support to win?

Even from those dead set against democrats, like me

Yeah, but Obama took us to war also, and did alot of other fucked up shit McCain would not have done.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

me three. Maybe I was wrong though. Time will tell.

I dont know whether I was right or wrong either.

i didn't see a reason for us to be there. And considering the rebels included Al Qaeda, I wasnt sure supporting them was the best decision. Strategically, it seemed wiser to let our enemies fight one another.

Ive also been persuaded by much of what Gandhi has to say about war. Not all of it. I think it's important defend ourselves etc. But I think there is alot more to non-violence than i realized before. There is power to it if it's done with faith in God. Not sure how to explain it completely. Im still figuring it out.

All I know is we dont have the money for war after war and we need to be focused on other things than policing the world.

Not sure how to explain you new found beliefs? Let me take a stab at it.......

Obama is president, must oppose.

 

[tinydancer]

Well it appears AQ is really busy. Death toll has just hit 107 on military bases in Yemeni now and they took all sorts of weapons.

You take out Assad, might has well just hand AQ Syria on a silver platter. At least Assad and Gaddafi kept AQ at bay.

Yikes.

We may be building the Caliphate for them

Aye carumba we've most certainly succeeded in reversing all the good we did in the region by our recent actions.

And most definitely if we begin bombing Syria, we're at war with Iran as well.

 

[paulitician]

Not surprising. He is a Neocon Globalist after all. He's no different than your average Socialist/Progressive Globalist. They're calling for the same thing. It's too bad we don't have real choices in our Elections.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Well I guess I've gotten enough people disgusted with me for one night. Gotta be up early so ill irritate yall later. Goodnight


Ps. I'm kinda sorry for being so hard on you avatar. I'll try to make it up later.

 

[Avatar4321]

me three. Maybe I was wrong though. Time will tell.

I dont know whether I was right or wrong either.

i didn't see a reason for us to be there. And considering the rebels included Al Qaeda, I wasnt sure supporting them was the best decision. Strategically, it seemed wiser to let our enemies fight one another.

Ive also been persuaded by much of what Gandhi has to say about war. Not all of it. I think it's important defend ourselves etc. But I think there is alot more to non-violence than i realized before. There is power to it if it's done with faith in God. Not sure how to explain it completely. Im still figuring it out.

All I know is we dont have the money for war after war and we need to be focused on other things than policing the world.

Not sure how to explain you new found beliefs? Let me take a stab at it.......

Obama is president, must oppose.

Nice attempt, but thats not it at all. Id have no problem supporting him if there was some American interest.

 

[Wiseacre]

I think we oughta bomb Sacramento. Save a lotta money in the long run.

 

[Avatar4321]

Well I guess I've gotten enough people disgusted with me for one night. Gotta be up early so ill irritate yall later. Goodnight


Ps. I'm kinda sorry for being so hard on you avatar. I'll try to make it up later.

Dont worry about it.