So hours after the Amtrak crash, republicans cut the budget for it

[Rexx Taylor]

and dont most of these "Trains Derailing Accidents" seem to be happening in Blue States?

and if a similar accident happened in utah for example, u think the left would demand we send utah a few billion dollars?

 

[Mr. H.]

You freaking clowns kill me,so you sat in on the preliminary budget meetings,all the planing and demand projections,and you heard them say we will spend billions on a new pipline but we really don't need it!! ??

The pipeline systems in this country is old and in need of replacement,you would along with all your other buddies would be walking if just a few lines went down for any length of time. You know not of what you speak.

You might not have heard, but recent advancements in drilling procedures have opened up massive reserves of oil and gas right here in the US. We don't need all that nasty bitumen.... (it's not oil).... from Canada.

It's blended with other grades. And yes we do need it, Brotch.

Wrong again. The chunks of bitumen (it's not oil) has to be diluted and heated to even make it liquid enough to flow through a pipeline, but that is far from a blend of several grades. They aren't even using wells to harvest it. They dig it up with shovels.

WGAF? As long as the end result is diesel, asphalt, gasoline, K1, JP8, etc...who cares?

We presently have a glut of those things, and will for the foreseeable future. Haven't you noticed the price drop? We don't need more from Canada.

Dooooood. Do you even know how much crude we import on a daily basis and from where it originates?

 

[Synthaholic]

So how is throwing money at Amtrak going to prevent a train conductor from driving the train at twice the speed limit?

They would be able to afford PTC in more areas, instead of just a few:

The stretch of track where the train derailed was not equipped with an automated speed control system called positive train control, NTSB board member Sumwalt said.

He told reporters: "We feel that had such a system been installed in this section of track, this accident would not have occurred."

Another factor that can't be discounted is where the crash happened.

"It's an extremely heavily used stretch of track," transportation analyst Matthew L. Wald said of the area. "They have trouble keeping it in a state of good repair."

Amtrak train thought to be going 100 mph - CNN.com​

If the rail industry can't afford to do those things without taxpayer money they should not be in business. Why should the taxpayers have to suffer to keep a dying industry alive?

Excuse me, dumbfuck, but AMTRAK gets ALL it's money from Congress. Congress doesn't just subsidize what AMTRAK can't 'earn'.

 

[The Rabbi]

So how is throwing money at Amtrak going to prevent a train conductor from driving the train at twice the speed limit?

They would be able to afford PTC in more areas, instead of just a few:

The stretch of track where the train derailed was not equipped with an automated speed control system called positive train control, NTSB board member Sumwalt said.

He told reporters: "We feel that had such a system been installed in this section of track, this accident would not have occurred."

Another factor that can't be discounted is where the crash happened.

"It's an extremely heavily used stretch of track," transportation analyst Matthew L. Wald said of the area. "They have trouble keeping it in a state of good repair."

Amtrak train thought to be going 100 mph - CNN.com​

If the rail industry can't afford to do those things without taxpayer money they should not be in business. Why should the taxpayers have to suffer to keep a dying industry alive?

Excuse me, dumbfuck, but AMTRAK gets ALL it's money from Congress. Congress doesn't just subsidize what AMTRAK can't 'earn'.

So tickets on Amrtrack trains are free? You are stupider than NYCarb. Thats saying something.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Excuse me, dumbfuck, but AMTRAK gets ALL it's money from Congress. Congress doesn't just subsidize what AMTRAK can't 'earn'.

Passengers ride free?
Why then does Amtrak post rates for its routes?
Train Bus Tickets - National Railroad - USA Canada Amtrak

 

[The Rabbi]

So how is throwing money at Amtrak going to prevent a train conductor from driving the train at twice the speed limit?

They would be able to afford PTC in more areas, instead of just a few:

The stretch of track where the train derailed was not equipped with an automated speed control system called positive train control, NTSB board member Sumwalt said.

He told reporters: "We feel that had such a system been installed in this section of track, this accident would not have occurred."

Another factor that can't be discounted is where the crash happened.

"It's an extremely heavily used stretch of track," transportation analyst Matthew L. Wald said of the area. "They have trouble keeping it in a state of good repair."

Amtrak train thought to be going 100 mph - CNN.com​

If the rail industry can't afford to do those things without taxpayer money they should not be in business. Why should the taxpayers have to suffer to keep a dying industry alive?

Excuse me, dumbfuck, but AMTRAK gets ALL it's money from Congress. Congress doesn't just subsidize what AMTRAK can't 'earn'.

Passengers ride free?
Why then does Amtrak post rates for its routes?

I know, right? No wonder he supports Obama's scheme to redistribute wealth.

 

[S.J.]

So how is throwing money at Amtrak going to prevent a train conductor from driving the train at twice the speed limit?

They would be able to afford PTC in more areas, instead of just a few:

The stretch of track where the train derailed was not equipped with an automated speed control system called positive train control, NTSB board member Sumwalt said.

He told reporters: "We feel that had such a system been installed in this section of track, this accident would not have occurred."

Another factor that can't be discounted is where the crash happened.

"It's an extremely heavily used stretch of track," transportation analyst Matthew L. Wald said of the area. "They have trouble keeping it in a state of good repair."

Amtrak train thought to be going 100 mph - CNN.com​

If the rail industry can't afford to do those things without taxpayer money they should not be in business. Why should the taxpayers have to suffer to keep a dying industry alive?

Excuse me, dumbfuck, but AMTRAK gets ALL it's money from Congress. Congress doesn't just subsidize what AMTRAK can't 'earn'.

So tickets on Amrtrack trains are free? You are stupider than NYCarb. Thats saying something.

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! And he calls ME the dumbfuck!

 

[BULLDOG]

So how is throwing money at Amtrak going to prevent a train conductor from driving the train at twice the speed limit?

They would be able to afford PTC in more areas, instead of just a few:

The stretch of track where the train derailed was not equipped with an automated speed control system called positive train control, NTSB board member Sumwalt said.

He told reporters: "We feel that had such a system been installed in this section of track, this accident would not have occurred."

Another factor that can't be discounted is where the crash happened.

"It's an extremely heavily used stretch of track," transportation analyst Matthew L. Wald said of the area. "They have trouble keeping it in a state of good repair."

Amtrak train thought to be going 100 mph - CNN.com​

If the rail industry can't afford to do those things without taxpayer money they should not be in business. Why should the taxpayers have to suffer to keep a dying industry alive?

Excuse me, dumbfuck, but AMTRAK gets ALL it's money from Congress. Congress doesn't just subsidize what AMTRAK can't 'earn'.

So tickets on Amrtrack trains are free? You are stupider than NYCarb. Thats saying something.

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! And he calls ME the dumbfuck!

Now, Now.....no need to fuss.......you're both right.

 

[Synthaholic]

So how is throwing money at Amtrak going to prevent a train conductor from driving the train at twice the speed limit?

They would be able to afford PTC in more areas, instead of just a few:

The stretch of track where the train derailed was not equipped with an automated speed control system called positive train control, NTSB board member Sumwalt said.

He told reporters: "We feel that had such a system been installed in this section of track, this accident would not have occurred."

Another factor that can't be discounted is where the crash happened.

"It's an extremely heavily used stretch of track," transportation analyst Matthew L. Wald said of the area. "They have trouble keeping it in a state of good repair."

Amtrak train thought to be going 100 mph - CNN.com​

If the rail industry can't afford to do those things without taxpayer money they should not be in business. Why should the taxpayers have to suffer to keep a dying industry alive?

Excuse me, dumbfuck, but AMTRAK gets ALL it's money from Congress. Congress doesn't just subsidize what AMTRAK can't 'earn'.

So tickets on Amrtrack trains are free? You are stupider than NYCarb. Thats saying something.

No, but ridership won't pay for the maintenance of the infrastructure. And the infrastructure is shared with private rail, which puts tremendous tonnage on the system compared to people-moving trains.

Maybe private rail should have new fees assessed in order to maintain the system? Why should taxpayers foot the entire bill?

 

[M14 Shooter]

No, but ridership won't pay for the maintenance of the infrastructure. And the infrastructure is shared with private rail, which puts tremendous tonnage on the system compared to people-moving trains.

This is inane.
"Private rail" does not charge Amtrak for use of its rails and makes no money off Amtrak.

And the infrastructure is shared with private rail, which puts tremendous tonnage on the system

Of course it does -- "private rail" makes its money by moving freight; their systems are designed to do so.

 

[The Rabbi]

So how is throwing money at Amtrak going to prevent a train conductor from driving the train at twice the speed limit?

They would be able to afford PTC in more areas, instead of just a few:

The stretch of track where the train derailed was not equipped with an automated speed control system called positive train control, NTSB board member Sumwalt said.

He told reporters: "We feel that had such a system been installed in this section of track, this accident would not have occurred."

Another factor that can't be discounted is where the crash happened.

"It's an extremely heavily used stretch of track," transportation analyst Matthew L. Wald said of the area. "They have trouble keeping it in a state of good repair."

Amtrak train thought to be going 100 mph - CNN.com​

If the rail industry can't afford to do those things without taxpayer money they should not be in business. Why should the taxpayers have to suffer to keep a dying industry alive?

Excuse me, dumbfuck, but AMTRAK gets ALL it's money from Congress. Congress doesn't just subsidize what AMTRAK can't 'earn'.

So tickets on Amrtrack trains are free? You are stupider than NYCarb. Thats saying something.

No, but ridership won't pay for the maintenance of the infrastructure. And the infrastructure is shared with private rail, which puts tremendous tonnage on the system compared to people-moving trains.

Maybe private rail should have new fees assessed in order to maintain the system? Why should taxpayers foot the entire bill?

OK so you admit that Amtrack does not get all its money from Congress. That's some kind of progress.
Point made, let's move on.

 

[Synthaholic]

They would be able to afford PTC in more areas, instead of just a few:

The stretch of track where the train derailed was not equipped with an automated speed control system called positive train control, NTSB board member Sumwalt said.

He told reporters: "We feel that had such a system been installed in this section of track, this accident would not have occurred."

Another factor that can't be discounted is where the crash happened.

"It's an extremely heavily used stretch of track," transportation analyst Matthew L. Wald said of the area. "They have trouble keeping it in a state of good repair."

Amtrak train thought to be going 100 mph - CNN.com​

If the rail industry can't afford to do those things without taxpayer money they should not be in business. Why should the taxpayers have to suffer to keep a dying industry alive?

Excuse me, dumbfuck, but AMTRAK gets ALL it's money from Congress. Congress doesn't just subsidize what AMTRAK can't 'earn'.

So tickets on Amrtrack trains are free? You are stupider than NYCarb. Thats saying something.

No, but ridership won't pay for the maintenance of the infrastructure. And the infrastructure is shared with private rail, which puts tremendous tonnage on the system compared to people-moving trains.

Maybe private rail should have new fees assessed in order to maintain the system? Why should taxpayers foot the entire bill?

OK so you admit that Amtrack does not get all its money from Congress. That's some kind of progress.
Point made, let's move on.

They are totally beholden to the whims of Congress. They cannot do a rate hike without approval. They cannot fulfill the mandate of Congress to install all these PTC systems without acquiring the bandwidth, yet Congress has not ordered the FCC to assign that bandwidth. This has forced Amtrak in a position of having to buy the bandwidth from the private rail companies who bought up all the bandwidth in that crucial frequency, 225 MHz.

Except that Amtrak doesn't have the money to buy that bandwidth.

So if you can't raise your fees without Congress' approval, and you can't get bandwidth from the FCC without Congress' intervention, and you can't buy bandwidth on the open market without Congress allocating more funds, then yes - you are totally dependent upon Congress for your funding.

 

[S.J.]

So how is throwing money at Amtrak going to prevent a train conductor from driving the train at twice the speed limit?

They would be able to afford PTC in more areas, instead of just a few:

The stretch of track where the train derailed was not equipped with an automated speed control system called positive train control, NTSB board member Sumwalt said.

He told reporters: "We feel that had such a system been installed in this section of track, this accident would not have occurred."

Another factor that can't be discounted is where the crash happened.

"It's an extremely heavily used stretch of track," transportation analyst Matthew L. Wald said of the area. "They have trouble keeping it in a state of good repair."

Amtrak train thought to be going 100 mph - CNN.com​

If the rail industry can't afford to do those things without taxpayer money they should not be in business. Why should the taxpayers have to suffer to keep a dying industry alive?

Excuse me, dumbfuck, but AMTRAK gets ALL it's money from Congress. Congress doesn't just subsidize what AMTRAK can't 'earn'.

So tickets on Amrtrack trains are free? You are stupider than NYCarb. Thats saying something.

No, but ridership won't pay for the maintenance of the infrastructure. And the infrastructure is shared with private rail, which puts tremendous tonnage on the system compared to people-moving trains.

Maybe private rail should have new fees assessed in order to maintain the system? Why should taxpayers foot the entire bill?

Look at synthy backpeddle!

 

[lake avenue]

The answer probably doesnt have anything to do with funding and it's foolish for the GOP and the Democrats to think that way. Not everything is a fucking funding issue, throwing more money at things doesn't automatically fix them.

At the same time, removing funding from a system that we're already lacking in comparison to other countries isn't the answer either.

 

[Synthaholic]

The answer probably doesnt have anything to do with funding and it's foolish for the GOP and the Democrats to think that way. Not everything is a fucking funding issue, throwing more money at things doesn't automatically fix them.

At the same time, removing funding from a system that we're already lacking in comparison to other countries isn't the answer either.

See post #172

 

[The Rabbi]

If the rail industry can't afford to do those things without taxpayer money they should not be in business. Why should the taxpayers have to suffer to keep a dying industry alive?

Excuse me, dumbfuck, but AMTRAK gets ALL it's money from Congress. Congress doesn't just subsidize what AMTRAK can't 'earn'.

So tickets on Amrtrack trains are free? You are stupider than NYCarb. Thats saying something.

No, but ridership won't pay for the maintenance of the infrastructure. And the infrastructure is shared with private rail, which puts tremendous tonnage on the system compared to people-moving trains.

Maybe private rail should have new fees assessed in order to maintain the system? Why should taxpayers foot the entire bill?

OK so you admit that Amtrack does not get all its money from Congress. That's some kind of progress.
Point made, let's move on.

They are totally beholden to the whims of Congress. They cannot do a rate hike without approval. They cannot fulfill the mandate of Congress to install all these PTC systems without acquiring the bandwidth, yet Congress has not ordered the FCC to assign that bandwidth. This has forced Amtrak in a position of having to buy the bandwidth from the private rail companies who bought up all the bandwidth in that crucial frequency, 225 MHz.

Except that Amtrak doesn't have the money to buy that bandwidth.

So if you can't raise your fees without Congress' approval, and you can't get bandwidth from the FCC without Congress' intervention, and you can't buy bandwidth on the open market without Congress allocating more funds, then yes - you are totally dependent upon Congress for your funding.

Excuse me, dumbfuck but Amtrack gets all its funding from Congress.
Is that not what you wrote? Yes, it is. No sense trying to crabwalk on it and pretend you wrote something different.

 

[TooTall]

So how is throwing money at Amtrak going to prevent a train conductor from driving the train at twice the speed limit?

Some trains have computer controls to prevent over speed. That one didn't because they can't afford to do those upgraded on all the trains.

The ATS system should have been used in the Philadelphia AMTRAC tracks until the PTC can be installed and tested. The reason it was not in use IMO is underlined.

"Approach control at junctions uses electronic circuits in the track to prevent a signal turning green until a train's speed has been reduced to the line limit. If a train passes the red signal, automatic train stop (ATS) applies the brakes.

These systems date back to the late 1800s and, in modern form, provide protection to train passengers around the world.

Approach control adds a few minutes to the running time of a train, which may explain why it was not in use in New York.

ATS is considered obsolete, but it works. Instead, we have opted for a high-tech solution (PTC}that costs billions and may or may not do the job when it is switched on."

 

[M14 Shooter]

So if you can't raise your fees without Congress' approval, and you can't get bandwidth from the FCC without Congress' intervention, and you can't buy bandwidth on the open market without Congress allocating more funds, then yes - you are totally dependent upon Congress for your funding.

False.
Amtrak charges passengers to ride on the trains.
That is a source of funding.

 

[Camp]

So if you can't raise your fees without Congress' approval, and you can't get bandwidth from the FCC without Congress' intervention, and you can't buy bandwidth on the open market without Congress allocating more funds, then yes - you are totally dependent upon Congress for your funding.

False.
Amtrak charges passengers to ride on the trains.
That is a source of funding.

And it ain't cheap.

 

[Papageorgio]

Eight lives would have been spared if Congress would have cut off Amtrak 40 years ago.

What are they thinking?