Simple question to gun advocates

[Ray From Cleveland]

That's kind of knee jerk if you ask me. This only happened one time in such a venue and likely would not happen again in the future. The idea of terrorism is to terrorize people forcing them walk on eggshells from that point on.

As bad as 911 was and the deaths that took place, the real delight for terrorists is what happened afterwards. Random searches of airport passengers, TSA agents and their body scanners, long waits at airports, shutting down of operations because somebody found a suspicious looking luggage bag, things like that.

As a truck driver I can honestly say how it greatly effected air freight deliveries and pickups although I'm not at liberty to say how. What I can tell you is that 911 made it a real pain in the ass for all of us due to overreaction and over precautions. The terrorists are still winning over fifteen years after their attack. They share delight in our paranoia.

We can't let this unfortunate incident change the way we live. We can't allow liberals to cash in on this tragedy. The worst thing we could do is disallow outdoor concerts next to tall buildings, or have a militant presence at every event. Look at us! We are discussing the use of bump stock even though it was never used before and probably never will be used again even if left legal.

There is nothing wrong with learning from this situation, but what would be wrong is for us to be expecting a similar attack in the future and taking ridiculous precautions like having snipers at each event. If a hotel (or whatever) next to an event sees something unusual, no doubt, report it to somebody. In 99% of the cases, it would probably be nothing. But allowing us to be terrorized for the rest of our lives would be a huge win for this maniac; even worse if he did have some connection to a terrorist group.

Just like lightning actually strikes the same place MORE frequently than you have been led to believe, once a bad group figures out how soft a target is, they will continue to exploit those now identified soft targets.

Like always, there may be attempted copy cats, but very few if any and certainly not at this level. But after some time, people forget and it goes away as it always does.

Fun lovers are now well aware of this possibility, but we need to leave it up to them if they refuse to bow down and allow this thing to ruin their enjoyment. If they are weary, then don't go. If they are willing to take a chance no matter how low the risk is of something like this happening again, then it's up to them.

If something like this does happen over and over again, that's a different story. Evil wins and we need to do more. But for right now, I think our best approach is not to get too carried away with all this.

I disagree with you. Criminals are by nature not creative. That's why they are criminals. This guy was waaaay different from the run of the mill mass murderer. He has laid out a very easy to copy template, and I guarantee you that others will follow in his footsteps.

Okay, so let's just create a law to stop all outdoor concerts. Let's have body searches and X-ray machines in all hotel facilities. Maybe even have a curfew in Vegas. No more walking around to casinos after dark. Casinos can only stay open for their hotel guests, and locked doors at that.

Outside of Vegas, shut down all professional sports arenas that are near any kind of high rise buildings. We hosted the NY Yankees this evening in the playoffs; should have never happened since our stadium is surrounded by tall buildings.

All this just so people can have guns huh? Seems guns are more important than any other kind of liberty.

No, I didn't say so everybody can have guns. Criminals are going to have guns even if we made it a death penalty crime. You can't change that, the Democrats can't change that, no law in the world can change that. I don't know how this is so difficult for the left to understand.

And here is the question that keeps being asked: what law would have prevented this kook from doing what he did or worse? If you can tell me what that law is, I'll support such a law.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Exactly the point he was trying to make. The shooter actually used simi-auto weapons. It really would have made little if any difference

He was an accountant,
Full auto machine gun = $10,000
Semi-auto + bump stock = $700

Naah. I could have gotten a FA weapon on my lunch break yesterday, long as I wasn't particular about what model. They're not that hard to get if you don't give a shit about legality.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Up to 40% of guns used in crimes, including murder, came from private gun sales which remain largely unregulated. The often mislabeled "gun show loophole"

That depends... for example, here in MA private sales are still required to fill out the State firearms transfer paperwork and mail it to the Criminal History Records Bureau in Boston. The CHRB is supposed to review the paperwork and do the background check. Except THEY DON'T DO IT. They claim to be too overloaded with permit applications to do the transfer checks.

You left this out of my post.

In florida you can buy a gun without a government photo ID. But you can't vote without one.

MA also has an income tax while FL doesn't. Crooks don't buy guns in MA, but they can in FL.

Bullshit. I could get a gun v(up to and including a fully-operable machine gun) on my lunch break in MA...no ID needed, just some cash.

 

[Anathema]

They aren't confiscating guns from these people, but they do want to put controls on them running out and buying more guns, or more powerful guns. Because of the current law, we don't even know how many guns these people have, so confiscation is completely off the table..

That really depends on what state you're in. The Massachusetts firearms licensing process asks about mental health (involuntary hospitalization).

There have been numerous attempts to broaden that and/or to require mental health professionals to report to the state on any gun owner they treat who they feel may be a danger to others or to themselves.

Be cause of this, many gun owners feel they need to choose between care for routine mental health issues or their 2nd Amendment rights. In most cases they will choose their guns. Do we really want to put these people in that position?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Just like lightning actually strikes the same place MORE frequently than you have been led to believe, once a bad group figures out how soft a target is, they will continue to exploit those now identified soft targets.

Like always, there may be attempted copy cats, but very few if any and certainly not at this level. But after some time, people forget and it goes away as it always does.

Fun lovers are now well aware of this possibility, but we need to leave it up to them if they refuse to bow down and allow this thing to ruin their enjoyment. If they are weary, then don't go. If they are willing to take a chance no matter how low the risk is of something like this happening again, then it's up to them.

If something like this does happen over and over again, that's a different story. Evil wins and we need to do more. But for right now, I think our best approach is not to get too carried away with all this.

I disagree with you. Criminals are by nature not creative. That's why they are criminals. This guy was waaaay different from the run of the mill mass murderer. He has laid out a very easy to copy template, and I guarantee you that others will follow in his footsteps.

Okay, so let's just create a law to stop all outdoor concerts. Let's have body searches and X-ray machines in all hotel facilities. Maybe even have a curfew in Vegas. No more walking around to casinos after dark. Casinos can only stay open for their hotel guests, and locked doors at that.

Outside of Vegas, shut down all professional sports arenas that are near any kind of high rise buildings. We hosted the NY Yankees this evening in the playoffs; should have never happened since our stadium is surrounded by tall buildings.

All this just so people can have guns huh? Seems guns are more important than any other kind of liberty.

No, I didn't say so everybody can have guns. Criminals are going to have guns even if we made it a death penalty crime. You can't change that, the Democrats can't change that, no law in the world can change that. I don't know how this is so difficult for the left to understand.

And here is the question that keeps being asked: what law would have prevented this kook from doing what he did or worse? If you can tell me what that law is, I'll support such a law.

Look at the UK. Some criminals have guns, but do you see gun use everywhere? No, why?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Did you support the provision that banned automatic weapons in 1986? Do you support it now? Why or why not?

No gun owner, like myself, can look at what happened in Las Vegas, and make a claim that assault weapons are NOT a threat to American everyday life. Yeah we can ban the bumper that will make a semi-automatic go automatic, but they'll come up with something else that will produce the same result. We have had too many incidents of people using assault weapons to kill innocent people. That is NOT what our forefathers intended when they wrote the 2nd amendment.

They need to do this:
1. Ban assault weapons from being sold in this country.
2. Close the loophole on gun shows and everyone gets a background check, including on private sales, like Colorado has done.(It does no good that your neighbor can sell a gun to anyone, who intends to use it on you.)
3. Continue with background checks, including mental health warnings. Anyone that is on a no fly list should not be allowed to purchase guns. Anyone on a terrorist watch list should not be allowed to purchase guns.

Republicans won't do any of this. They may ban the bumper--but they won't address assault weapons. The only way you're going to get that done is to vote for DEMOCRATS who are more concerned about public safety, and not like Republicans that are more concerned about protecting the NRA (whom they are attached at the hip with) and their nut case gun owners. Republicans would pass out Grenade's and Bazooka's if it got them votes.

If you want common sense gun control, you'll have to vote for DEMOCRATS. There is no other way.

If you actually knew anything about guns you would know that the so called "assault" rifles you want banned are no different from any other semiautomatic rifle that you don't want to be banned.

Is there some sort of agreement that if you are duped by the NRA that you present the "There is no assault rifle" argument?

OK, so why do you "sane" people have to buy the ones that look scary? Does it give you a rise when you hold it?

Why does the APPEARANCE of a fire arm matter? There are no civilian assault rifles except maybe a few legal fully automatic ones bought before 1986. NONE of the legal semi automatics has select fire or burst capability. And every SINGLE semi automatic no matter how it LOOKS is the same.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Did you support the provision that banned automatic weapons in 1986? Do you support it now? Why or why not?

nope i dont

however

it is the law of the land

at least for now

until the question of millers gun get answered

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Like always, there may be attempted copy cats, but very few if any and certainly not at this level. But after some time, people forget and it goes away as it always does.

Fun lovers are now well aware of this possibility, but we need to leave it up to them if they refuse to bow down and allow this thing to ruin their enjoyment. If they are weary, then don't go. If they are willing to take a chance no matter how low the risk is of something like this happening again, then it's up to them.

If something like this does happen over and over again, that's a different story. Evil wins and we need to do more. But for right now, I think our best approach is not to get too carried away with all this.

I disagree with you. Criminals are by nature not creative. That's why they are criminals. This guy was waaaay different from the run of the mill mass murderer. He has laid out a very easy to copy template, and I guarantee you that others will follow in his footsteps.

Okay, so let's just create a law to stop all outdoor concerts. Let's have body searches and X-ray machines in all hotel facilities. Maybe even have a curfew in Vegas. No more walking around to casinos after dark. Casinos can only stay open for their hotel guests, and locked doors at that.

Outside of Vegas, shut down all professional sports arenas that are near any kind of high rise buildings. We hosted the NY Yankees this evening in the playoffs; should have never happened since our stadium is surrounded by tall buildings.

All this just so people can have guns huh? Seems guns are more important than any other kind of liberty.

No, I didn't say so everybody can have guns. Criminals are going to have guns even if we made it a death penalty crime. You can't change that, the Democrats can't change that, no law in the world can change that. I don't know how this is so difficult for the left to understand.

And here is the question that keeps being asked: what law would have prevented this kook from doing what he did or worse? If you can tell me what that law is, I'll support such a law.

Look at the UK. Some criminals have guns, but do you see gun use everywhere? No, why?

I thought nobody had guns in the UK.

Of course when you consider that you can get 14 years in prison for having an illegal gun in the UK compared to our "less than a year" in prison, that might be a reason. In areas where prison population is a factor, some just get house arrest.

Remember that we are a very diverse country. If you take blacks and Hispanics out of the mix, our crime rate would be considerably close to the UK.

So no, it's not the amount of guns we have.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Up to 40% of guns used in crimes, including murder, came from private gun sales which remain largely unregulated. The often mislabeled "gun show loophole"

That depends... for example, here in MA private sales are still required to fill out the State firearms transfer paperwork and mail it to the Criminal History Records Bureau in Boston. The CHRB is supposed to review the paperwork and do the background check. Except THEY DON'T DO IT. They claim to be too overloaded with permit applications to do the transfer checks.

You left this out of my post.

In florida you can buy a gun without a government photo ID. But you can't vote without one.

MA also has an income tax while FL doesn't. Crooks don't buy guns in MA, but they can in FL.

Bullshit. I could get a gun v(up to and including a fully-operable machine gun) on my lunch break in MA...no ID needed, just some cash.

Prove it.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Did you support the provision that banned automatic weapons in 1986? Do you support it now? Why or why not?

No gun owner, like myself, can look at what happened in Las Vegas, and make a claim that assault weapons are NOT a threat to American everyday life. Yeah we can ban the bumper that will make a semi-automatic go automatic, but they'll come up with something else that will produce the same result. We have had too many incidents of people using assault weapons to kill innocent people. That is NOT what our forefathers intended when they wrote the 2nd amendment.

They need to do this:
1. Ban assault weapons from being sold in this country.
2. Close the loophole on gun shows and everyone gets a background check, including on private sales, like Colorado has done.(It does no good that your neighbor can sell a gun to anyone, who intends to use it on you.)
3. Continue with background checks, including mental health warnings. Anyone that is on a no fly list should not be allowed to purchase guns. Anyone on a terrorist watch list should not be allowed to purchase guns.

Republicans won't do any of this. They may ban the bumper--but they won't address assault weapons. The only way you're going to get that done is to vote for DEMOCRATS who are more concerned about public safety, and not like Republicans that are more concerned about protecting the NRA (whom they are attached at the hip with) and their nut case gun owners. Republicans would pass out Grenade's and Bazooka's if it got them votes.

If you want common sense gun control, you'll have to vote for DEMOCRATS. There is no other way.

If you actually knew anything about guns you would know that the so called "assault" rifles you want banned are no different from any other semiautomatic rifle that you don't want to be banned.

Is there some sort of agreement that if you are duped by the NRA that you present the "There is no assault rifle" argument?

OK, so why do you "sane" people have to buy the ones that look scary? Does it give you a rise when you hold it?

Still waiting for your expert analysis on the differences in function and performance between the AR 15 and the Ruger Mini 14

 

[9thIDdoc]

Like always, there may be attempted copy cats, but very few if any and certainly not at this level. But after some time, people forget and it goes away as it always does.

Fun lovers are now well aware of this possibility, but we need to leave it up to them if they refuse to bow down and allow this thing to ruin their enjoyment. If they are weary, then don't go. If they are willing to take a chance no matter how low the risk is of something like this happening again, then it's up to them.

If something like this does happen over and over again, that's a different story. Evil wins and we need to do more. But for right now, I think our best approach is not to get too carried away with all this.

I disagree with you. Criminals are by nature not creative. That's why they are criminals. This guy was waaaay different from the run of the mill mass murderer. He has laid out a very easy to copy template, and I guarantee you that others will follow in his footsteps.

Okay, so let's just create a law to stop all outdoor concerts. Let's have body searches and X-ray machines in all hotel facilities. Maybe even have a curfew in Vegas. No more walking around to casinos after dark. Casinos can only stay open for their hotel guests, and locked doors at that.

Outside of Vegas, shut down all professional sports arenas that are near any kind of high rise buildings. We hosted the NY Yankees this evening in the playoffs; should have never happened since our stadium is surrounded by tall buildings.

All this just so people can have guns huh? Seems guns are more important than any other kind of liberty.

No, I didn't say so everybody can have guns. Criminals are going to have guns even if we made it a death penalty crime. You can't change that, the Democrats can't change that, no law in the world can change that. I don't know how this is so difficult for the left to understand.

And here is the question that keeps being asked: what law would have prevented this kook from doing what he did or worse? If you can tell me what that law is, I'll support such a law.

Look at the UK. Some criminals have guns, but do you see gun use everywhere? No, why?

Since criminals in the UK they are more free from worry that their victims might be armed they might just as well use knives or hammers etc.
In the US you may see "gun use everywhere". You also will see a great deal more personal freedom. Make mine freedom any day.

 

[Muhammed]

Did you support the provision that banned automatic weapons in 1986? Do you support it now? Why or why not?

No. Never trust any government that seeks to disarm you.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I disagree with you. Criminals are by nature not creative. That's why they are criminals. This guy was waaaay different from the run of the mill mass murderer. He has laid out a very easy to copy template, and I guarantee you that others will follow in his footsteps.

Okay, so let's just create a law to stop all outdoor concerts. Let's have body searches and X-ray machines in all hotel facilities. Maybe even have a curfew in Vegas. No more walking around to casinos after dark. Casinos can only stay open for their hotel guests, and locked doors at that.

Outside of Vegas, shut down all professional sports arenas that are near any kind of high rise buildings. We hosted the NY Yankees this evening in the playoffs; should have never happened since our stadium is surrounded by tall buildings.

All this just so people can have guns huh? Seems guns are more important than any other kind of liberty.

No, I didn't say so everybody can have guns. Criminals are going to have guns even if we made it a death penalty crime. You can't change that, the Democrats can't change that, no law in the world can change that. I don't know how this is so difficult for the left to understand.

And here is the question that keeps being asked: what law would have prevented this kook from doing what he did or worse? If you can tell me what that law is, I'll support such a law.

Look at the UK. Some criminals have guns, but do you see gun use everywhere? No, why?

Since criminals in the UK they are more free from worry that their victims might be armed they might just as well use knives or hammers etc.
In the US you may see "gun use everywhere". You also will see a great deal more personal freedom. Make mine freedom any day.

UK police behind effort to ban knives to end ‘knife violence’

 

[Pete7469]

I said multiple times yesterday bump stocks should 100% absolutely be banned!! I have a BIG problem with a device intended to do an end run around current law and getting away with it on a technicality. Second, bump stocks only make it that much easier for the gun control lobby to attack us its freaking stupid.

I suspect the meat puppet administration knew someone would take one of those stupid things and create carnage. As soon as I saw them I figured someone would try and hold up a bank with one, get into a gunfight with police and have bed wetters howling to have semi autos banned again.

The 86 ban is bullshit. If you can get an NFA classed weapon, you should be able to buy an M4A1. No law either on the books or in moonbat fantasies could have prevented Vegas. The only thing that could have ended it sooner was a sniper on another roof. I'm sure police depts around the country are working on that.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I disagree with you. Criminals are by nature not creative. That's why they are criminals. This guy was waaaay different from the run of the mill mass murderer. He has laid out a very easy to copy template, and I guarantee you that others will follow in his footsteps.

Okay, so let's just create a law to stop all outdoor concerts. Let's have body searches and X-ray machines in all hotel facilities. Maybe even have a curfew in Vegas. No more walking around to casinos after dark. Casinos can only stay open for their hotel guests, and locked doors at that.

Outside of Vegas, shut down all professional sports arenas that are near any kind of high rise buildings. We hosted the NY Yankees this evening in the playoffs; should have never happened since our stadium is surrounded by tall buildings.

All this just so people can have guns huh? Seems guns are more important than any other kind of liberty.

No, I didn't say so everybody can have guns. Criminals are going to have guns even if we made it a death penalty crime. You can't change that, the Democrats can't change that, no law in the world can change that. I don't know how this is so difficult for the left to understand.

And here is the question that keeps being asked: what law would have prevented this kook from doing what he did or worse? If you can tell me what that law is, I'll support such a law.

Look at the UK. Some criminals have guns, but do you see gun use everywhere? No, why?

I thought nobody had guns in the UK.

Of course when you consider that you can get 14 years in prison for having an illegal gun in the UK compared to our "less than a year" in prison, that might be a reason. In areas where prison population is a factor, some just get house arrest.

Remember that we are a very diverse country. If you take blacks and Hispanics out of the mix, our crime rate would be considerably close to the UK.

So no, it's not the amount of guns we have.

Yes, well here's where doing your research comes in handy Ray. Thinking things because people in gun magazines told you so, is hardly the way of gaining knowledge, is it?

The UK is also a diverse country Ray. You don't think everyone is just white, do you?

Yes, if you took the people in poverty out of the equation, then the US murder rate would drop, but so too would the UK murder rate. D'oh.

You can try and pretend that people in Puerto Rico, or blacks, or Hispanics aren't really Americans Ray, but they are. You can't take those figures away, they're part of the country. They're part of the problems people like you refuse to recognize because you simply can't be bothered and because you make statistics up and start believing them.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I disagree with you. Criminals are by nature not creative. That's why they are criminals. This guy was waaaay different from the run of the mill mass murderer. He has laid out a very easy to copy template, and I guarantee you that others will follow in his footsteps.

Okay, so let's just create a law to stop all outdoor concerts. Let's have body searches and X-ray machines in all hotel facilities. Maybe even have a curfew in Vegas. No more walking around to casinos after dark. Casinos can only stay open for their hotel guests, and locked doors at that.

Outside of Vegas, shut down all professional sports arenas that are near any kind of high rise buildings. We hosted the NY Yankees this evening in the playoffs; should have never happened since our stadium is surrounded by tall buildings.

All this just so people can have guns huh? Seems guns are more important than any other kind of liberty.

No, I didn't say so everybody can have guns. Criminals are going to have guns even if we made it a death penalty crime. You can't change that, the Democrats can't change that, no law in the world can change that. I don't know how this is so difficult for the left to understand.

And here is the question that keeps being asked: what law would have prevented this kook from doing what he did or worse? If you can tell me what that law is, I'll support such a law.

Look at the UK. Some criminals have guns, but do you see gun use everywhere? No, why?

Since criminals in the UK they are more free from worry that their victims might be armed they might just as well use knives or hammers etc.
In the US you may see "gun use everywhere". You also will see a great deal more personal freedom. Make mine freedom any day.

Yes, criminals in the UK are less likely to worry about such things. But UK crime isn't higher than US crime.

Do you see a great deal more personal freedom in the US? Really?

Are you making an argument or just writing stuff down and hoping someone bites? Seems like the latter.

You can't prove any of the stuff you're saying, and you probably believe it because you read it in some gun mag.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Okay, so let's just create a law to stop all outdoor concerts. Let's have body searches and X-ray machines in all hotel facilities. Maybe even have a curfew in Vegas. No more walking around to casinos after dark. Casinos can only stay open for their hotel guests, and locked doors at that.

Outside of Vegas, shut down all professional sports arenas that are near any kind of high rise buildings. We hosted the NY Yankees this evening in the playoffs; should have never happened since our stadium is surrounded by tall buildings.

All this just so people can have guns huh? Seems guns are more important than any other kind of liberty.

No, I didn't say so everybody can have guns. Criminals are going to have guns even if we made it a death penalty crime. You can't change that, the Democrats can't change that, no law in the world can change that. I don't know how this is so difficult for the left to understand.

And here is the question that keeps being asked: what law would have prevented this kook from doing what he did or worse? If you can tell me what that law is, I'll support such a law.

Look at the UK. Some criminals have guns, but do you see gun use everywhere? No, why?

I thought nobody had guns in the UK.

Of course when you consider that you can get 14 years in prison for having an illegal gun in the UK compared to our "less than a year" in prison, that might be a reason. In areas where prison population is a factor, some just get house arrest.

Remember that we are a very diverse country. If you take blacks and Hispanics out of the mix, our crime rate would be considerably close to the UK.

So no, it's not the amount of guns we have.

Yes, well here's where doing your research comes in handy Ray. Thinking things because people in gun magazines told you so, is hardly the way of gaining knowledge, is it?

The UK is also a diverse country Ray. You don't think everyone is just white, do you?

Yes, if you took the people in poverty out of the equation, then the US murder rate would drop, but so too would the UK murder rate. D'oh.

You can try and pretend that people in Puerto Rico, or blacks, or Hispanics aren't really Americans Ray, but they are. You can't take those figures away, they're part of the country. They're part of the problems people like you refuse to recognize because you simply can't be bothered and because you make statistics up and start believing them.

I love how you make things up just so you can argue with yourself. Where did I say blacks and Hispanics were not Americans?

I don't make up statistics. Tell me which one you're interested in, and I'll post it if I have it, or find it and post it. And BTW, not all blacks live in poverty either.

Puerto Ricans? We have a pretty good population of them up here, and they are virtually trouble free. Very seldom do you ever read about a story of violence involving either a PR from the island or born in the states. Most of the ones I work with are hard working people and very good people. I've been in many of their homes, and they are spotless. Very clean people.

 

[2aguy]

Did you support the provision that banned automatic weapons in 1986? Do you support it now? Why or why not?

No. Considering that the weapon used wasn't an automatic weapon....it doesn't seem like banning automatic weapons did anything....right? And I believe automatic weapons were banned in 1934, you are thinking the "Assault Weapon" ban that didn't do anything either....

 

[2aguy]

Okay, so let's just create a law to stop all outdoor concerts. Let's have body searches and X-ray machines in all hotel facilities. Maybe even have a curfew in Vegas. No more walking around to casinos after dark. Casinos can only stay open for their hotel guests, and locked doors at that.

Outside of Vegas, shut down all professional sports arenas that are near any kind of high rise buildings. We hosted the NY Yankees this evening in the playoffs; should have never happened since our stadium is surrounded by tall buildings.

All this just so people can have guns huh? Seems guns are more important than any other kind of liberty.

No, I didn't say so everybody can have guns. Criminals are going to have guns even if we made it a death penalty crime. You can't change that, the Democrats can't change that, no law in the world can change that. I don't know how this is so difficult for the left to understand.

And here is the question that keeps being asked: what law would have prevented this kook from doing what he did or worse? If you can tell me what that law is, I'll support such a law.

Look at the UK. Some criminals have guns, but do you see gun use everywhere? No, why?

Since criminals in the UK they are more free from worry that their victims might be armed they might just as well use knives or hammers etc.
In the US you may see "gun use everywhere". You also will see a great deal more personal freedom. Make mine freedom any day.

Yes, criminals in the UK are less likely to worry about such things. But UK crime isn't higher than US crime.

Do you see a great deal more personal freedom in the US? Really?

Are you making an argument or just writing stuff down and hoping someone bites? Seems like the latter.

You can't prove any of the stuff you're saying, and you probably believe it because you read it in some gun mag.

Yes...U.K. crime is higher than U.S. crime and their gun crime rates are going up, ours are going down.

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .



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Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

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Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

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He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

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Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

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Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

 

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Okay, so let's just create a law to stop all outdoor concerts. Let's have body searches and X-ray machines in all hotel facilities. Maybe even have a curfew in Vegas. No more walking around to casinos after dark. Casinos can only stay open for their hotel guests, and locked doors at that.

Outside of Vegas, shut down all professional sports arenas that are near any kind of high rise buildings. We hosted the NY Yankees this evening in the playoffs; should have never happened since our stadium is surrounded by tall buildings.

All this just so people can have guns huh? Seems guns are more important than any other kind of liberty.

No, I didn't say so everybody can have guns. Criminals are going to have guns even if we made it a death penalty crime. You can't change that, the Democrats can't change that, no law in the world can change that. I don't know how this is so difficult for the left to understand.

And here is the question that keeps being asked: what law would have prevented this kook from doing what he did or worse? If you can tell me what that law is, I'll support such a law.

Look at the UK. Some criminals have guns, but do you see gun use everywhere? No, why?

Since criminals in the UK they are more free from worry that their victims might be armed they might just as well use knives or hammers etc.
In the US you may see "gun use everywhere". You also will see a great deal more personal freedom. Make mine freedom any day.

Yes, criminals in the UK are less likely to worry about such things. But UK crime isn't higher than US crime.

Do you see a great deal more personal freedom in the US? Really?

Are you making an argument or just writing stuff down and hoping someone bites? Seems like the latter.

You can't prove any of the stuff you're saying, and you probably believe it because you read it in some gun mag.

And you are wrong....Britain is more violent than the U.S., they banned guns....

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.