PredFan
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After reading the pro-union posts here, I can only come to one conclusion:
Unions are the only way complete idiots can get raises.
Unions are the only way complete idiots can get raises.
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There is another problem with unions or public sector unions now as I understand this the unions negotiate there contracts with elected politicians. Now the politicians who give them the best deal generally get union backing and get elected and in return for this backing the unions get a even better deal next time around and the politicians get the union support again and we have this endless circle. Now am I the only one who sees a problem or conflict with unions both backing and supporting politicians that they end up negotiating contracts with?
There is another problem with unions or public sector unions now as I understand this the unions negotiate there contracts with elected politicians. Now the politicians who give them the best deal generally get union backing and get elected and in return for this backing the unions get a even better deal next time around and the politicians get the union support again and we have this endless circle. Now am I the only one who sees a problem or conflict with unions both backing and supporting politicians that they end up negotiating contracts with?
So create a false dichotomy as a cogent argument!....Race to ignorance!So make everyone slave away is the answer! Race to the bottom!
You're going to blame me for him using the term "slaving away"?
"The most basic sense of decency and respect for human rights dictates that there must be some mechanism by which the workersthe humanscan assert their interests."
After reading the pro-union posts here, I can only come to one conclusion:
Unions are the only way complete idiots can get raises.
If the workers cannot turn to the government to protect them from the unrestrained predations of corporate capitalism, then the workers must find a way to protect themselves. Unless they plan to plunder the stores where they work for guns and start the revolution, then their best tool is a union. A strong union of workers, standing together, is in a position to bargain with a company, because a company needs employees in order to make money. Employees, alone, are in no position to bargain with a company, because employees need to eat.
After reading the pro-union posts here, I can only come to one conclusion:
Unions are the only way complete idiots can get raises.
No you are being simple. You know that if a single employee asks for a raise the company not only weighs the talent but also the cost to their bottom line. If you are going to ignore that fact and believe that collective bargaining is a bad thing then*shrug but the level of trust you put into corporations never is looked at as a slippery slope.
If the workers cannot turn to the government to protect them from the unrestrained predations of corporate capitalism, then the workers must find a way to protect themselves. Unless they plan to plunder the stores where they work for guns and start the revolution, then their best tool is a union. A strong union of workers, standing together, is in a position to bargain with a company, because a company needs employees in order to make money. Employees, alone, are in no position to bargain with a company, because employees need to eat.
A Company can treat employees horribly and guess what. They'll still have employees because people need money and companies pay it.
You guys are full of sarcasm but no reasonable answers to what happens when employees arent allowed to collectively bargain?
After reading the pro-union posts here, I can only come to one conclusion:
Unions are the only way complete idiots can get raises.
No you are being simple. You know that if a single employee asks for a raise the company not only weighs the talent but also the cost to their bottom line. If you are going to ignore that fact and believe that collective bargaining is a bad thing then*shrug but the level of trust you put into corporations never is looked at as a slippery slope.
If the workers cannot turn to the government to protect them from the unrestrained predations of corporate capitalism, then the workers must find a way to protect themselves. Unless they plan to plunder the stores where they work for guns and start the revolution, then their best tool is a union. A strong union of workers, standing together, is in a position to bargain with a company, because a company needs employees in order to make money. Employees, alone, are in no position to bargain with a company, because employees need to eat.
A Company can treat employees horribly and guess what. They'll still have employees because people need money and companies pay it.
You guys are full of sarcasm but no reasonable answers to what happens when employees arent allowed to collectively bargain? Will that be benefit to you and your family? Do you think once the state budgets are balanced someone will give it back?
You guys are full of sarcasm but no reasonable answers to what happens when employees arent allowed to collectively bargain? Will that be benefit to you and your family? Do you think once the state budgets are balanced someone will give it back?
I don't collectively bargain either...I bid.You guys are full of sarcasm but no reasonable answers to what happens when employees arent allowed to collectively bargain? Will that be benefit to you and your family? Do you think once the state budgets are balanced someone will give it back?
I've never been able to collectively bargain, and I've gotten raises at least every single year since I started in this field 30 years ago. Sometimes I have to ask, and sometimes they give us raises because the going rate for our profession has gone up. Lately we've been getting sizable raises because some big-time competition is moving into town.
So the answer to your question of what will happen is, you will have to work and make yourself valuable to the company. That I know is a scary thing to say to a Union Man.
Now as far as public sector workers, well there should never ever be any public sector unions. The people who work for the governments, should get the going rate for their field like everyone else, and should be fired for poor performance.
People ain't sticks and bureaucrat unions are purely parasitic.
BTW, what do we call a bundle of sticks?...What is that a symbol of?
What you union sympathizers don't understand is that the jobs belong to the CORPORATIONS not to you.
They can and should be able to determine the pay for that job. YOU do not get to determine the pay.
I don't collectively bargain either...I bid.You guys are full of sarcasm but no reasonable answers to what happens when employees arent allowed to collectively bargain? Will that be benefit to you and your family? Do you think once the state budgets are balanced someone will give it back?
I've never been able to collectively bargain, and I've gotten raises at least every single year since I started in this field 30 years ago. Sometimes I have to ask, and sometimes they give us raises because the going rate for our profession has gone up. Lately we've been getting sizable raises because some big-time competition is moving into town.
So the answer to your question of what will happen is, you will have to work and make yourself valuable to the company. That I know is a scary thing to say to a Union Man.
Now as far as public sector workers, well there should never ever be any public sector unions. The people who work for the governments, should get the going rate for their field like everyone else, and should be fired for poor performance.
If I ask too much and bust the budget I don't get the work.....If unforeseen extra work is required to complete the project, I need to cut a deal with the client to get paid for it.
Seems a lot of people would rather screech and bang on five gallon buckets in the streets rather than learn halfway decent negotiating skills.
You guys are full of sarcasm but no reasonable answers to what happens when employees arent allowed to collectively bargain? Will that be benefit to you and your family? Do you think once the state budgets are balanced someone will give it back?
You guys are full of sarcasm but no reasonable answers to what happens when employees arent allowed to collectively bargain?
You are an idiot. A minority of workers in America 'collectively bargain.'
People ain't sticks and bureaucrat unions are purely parasitic.
BTW, what do we call a bundle of sticks?...What is that a symbol of?