Should we allow the alarmists to alarm us as to climate?

No, the humans that push it are.
They have a self fulfilling death wish

To many on the left the threat to the planet goes way beyond co2

Some have said that overpopulation is the real problem and starving the existing human population of necessities is not enough
 
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So you FAILED to meet the Challenge. (100x faster etc)
Just threw up some graphs which do NOT.

And it's of course a/Another LIE that "most of the last 6000 years were warmer than today".. in case you missed the Widely Published FACT that we are having the Warmest temps in 100,000-120,000 Years.

You are a LIAR and a MENTALLY ILL LITTLE FRAUD.
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You are a moron. No one has offered any evidence that the current warming trend is unusual. You are the one who has not proved his case. In fact, D-O events triggered by AMOC switching off and on prove that 5C swings over a few decades did in fact occur.

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The planet always greens up in an interglacial period. Nothing new here.
This is NOT Normal interglacial:

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Nor was the 100X Faster increase in CO2 and other GHGs than previous Natural ones.

Unless you'd like to demonstrate another specific interglacial. (not just graphics that don't make it)

You can't you DISHONEST MENTALLY ILL REPEATING DRONE.

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Plants are the lovers of CO2, far and away the largest of all.

You Pathetic FRAUD.
You copy a long article for your OP.
I refute it in good part, while explaining AGW, (and why that's what we have now).... and you come back with ONE LINE after your stupendous long cut and paste.
FKKK OFF you know-nothing FRAUD.
You're now on my shlt list of non-serious posters who will get zip but neg feedbacks.

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This is NOT Normal interglacial:

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Nor was the 100X Faster increase in CO2 and other GHGs than previous Natural ones.

Unless you'd like to demonstrate another specific interglacial. (not just graphics that don't make it)

You can't you DISHONEST MENTALLY ILL REPEATING DRONE.

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I already addressed this. There is nothing unusual about this interglacial period at all.

Except it is 2C cooler than previous interglacial periods with 120 ppm more CO2. See?

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I already addressed this. There is nothing unusual about this interglacial period at all.

Except it is 2C cooler than previous interglacial periods with 120 ppm more CO2. See?


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Ahhh, that John Englander Graphic is from THIS page:
and it DESTROYS YOU FOREVER.



"""
[. .. .. .]

  • ""With each “ice age cycle” as they are commonly called, global average temperature swings 9 degrees Fahrenheit (5 degrees Celsius) warmer and colder, and sea level moves up and down almost 400 feet (~120 meters).
  • As the atmosphere changes temperature, the ocean slowly follows. It can take almost a thousand years for the oceans to fully reach a new equilibrium temperature. When the oceans warm, they release carbon dioxide as can be seen in the way that carbon dioxide (CO2) follows global average temperature. That oceanic release of CO2 shows up as increased levels in the atmosphere. You can see that the level of CO2 ranged in a pattern from 180 – 280 ppm (parts per million) throughout this 400,000 years. Obviously, until recently that was natural — not caused by human influence.
  • About two hundred years ago, when we began burning fossil fuels in greater and greater quantities, it changed the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, dramatically. Note the circle in the upper right of the chart at the end of the green line – CO2, which now shows as a vertical upward line on this scale chart. The vast burning of fossil fuels correlates well with this rapid increase in CO2 level. The latest measurement is 415 ppm, 40% higher than in the last few million years. It was demonstrated two hundred years ago, that carbon dioxide had an amazing effect to trap heat, even though it is absolutely invisible. It came to be known as a greenhouse gas due to its property to trap heat like the roof of a greenhouse. So, rather amazingly temperature and carbon dioxide will move together though either one can lead the other.
  • During the industrial era, Earth has warmed about one degree Celsius, which is 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit. The global goals are all stated in Celsius. You have likely heard of goals to keep the total warming to 1.5 degrees or 2 degrees. On our current path, unless we make some big changes in the next decade, we are headed to three or four degrees of warming.
  • Because Earth is now Warmer due to the effect of Humans, we have Broken Out of the Natural ice age cycles. Rather than starting the slow cooling era into the next ice age, we have now Broken out of those Natural cycles and into a New Era of Super Warming. The Human Driven warming “force” is about 80 times stronger than the natural cooling force.
I offer this graphic as one of the simplest ways to communicate two things. 1) that current “global warming” was Triggered by Humans and is a Sharp Departure from the Natural Climate Change Cycles, and 2) that sea level is going to rise for a long time, due to the temperature and CO2 level being far above normal. The warmer the temperature, the more the ice sheets melt, pushing sea level higher."""""

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You poached an UNCONTEXTED graphic that just shows what I said, an Rapid and UNNATURAL Spike in CO2, with just a Lag in Ocean and Air Temp ensured to follow.

YOU LOSE BY YOUR OWN SOURCE.... Once IN CONTEXT

You FILTHY LYING POS with 50,000 LYING "Natural Interglacials" IN fact refuted even with your Uncontexted graphic showing only the UNNATURAL CO2 Spike with the lag yet to come

Ding is now Dung. Finished Forever.

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Climate change is a real possibility and it could be catastrophic for any species now just like it has been many times in the past.

Humans are very adaptable and can survive a lot better than most species. For instance, we survived the last Ice Age.

However, there is absolutely no scientifically defensible proof that humans have alter the climate. AGW is a man made scam.
 
More of an expert than the PhD scientists who assemble the IPCC's assessment reports?
Climate scientists would have at least some credibility if the dishonest sonofabitches wouldn't lie about it so much, wouldn't they?

If there was actual AGW then there would be no need to create fraudulent and cherry picked data, would there? Also, maybe every once in a great while one of their stupid dire predictions like Al "Crazy Man" Gore made 25 years ago would actually come true instead of all of them being a bust, wouldn't it?

AGW is a scam. Only idiots believe that stupid crap.
 
Ahhh, that John Englander Graphic is from THIS page:
and it DESTROYS YOU FOREVER.



"""
[. .. .. .]

  • ""With each “ice age cycle” as they are commonly called, global average temperature swings 9 degrees Fahrenheit (5 degrees Celsius) warmer and colder, and sea level moves up and down almost 400 feet (~120 meters).
  • As the atmosphere changes temperature, the ocean slowly follows. It can take almost a thousand years for the oceans to fully reach a new equilibrium temperature. When the oceans warm, they release carbon dioxide as can be seen in the way that carbon dioxide (CO2) follows global average temperature. That oceanic release of CO2 shows up as increased levels in the atmosphere. You can see that the level of CO2 ranged in a pattern from 180 – 280 ppm (parts per million) throughout this 400,000 years. Obviously, until recently that was natural — not caused by human influence.
  • About two hundred years ago, when we began burning fossil fuels in greater and greater quantities, it changed the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, dramatically. Note the circle in the upper right of the chart at the end of the green line – CO2, which now shows as a vertical upward line on this scale chart. The vast burning of fossil fuels correlates well with this rapid increase in CO2 level. The latest measurement is 415 ppm, 40% higher than in the last few million years. It was demonstrated two hundred years ago, that carbon dioxide had an amazing effect to trap heat, even though it is absolutely invisible. It came to be known as a greenhouse gas due to its property to trap heat like the roof of a greenhouse. So, rather amazingly temperature and carbon dioxide will move together though either one can lead the other.
  • During the industrial era, Earth has warmed about one degree Celsius, which is 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit. The global goals are all stated in Celsius. You have likely heard of goals to keep the total warming to 1.5 degrees or 2 degrees. On our current path, unless we make some big changes in the next decade, we are headed to three or four degrees of warming.
  • Because Earth is now Warmer due to the effect of Humans, we have Broken Out of the Natural ice age cycles. Rather than starting the slow cooling era into the next ice age, we have now Broken out of those Natural cycles and into a New Era of Super Warming. The Human Driven warming “force” is about 80 times stronger than the natural cooling force.
I offer this graphic as one of the simplest ways to communicate two things. 1) that current “global warming” was Triggered by Humans and is a Sharp Departure from the Natural Climate Change Cycles, and 2) that sea level is going to rise for a long time, due to the temperature and CO2 level being far above normal. The warmer the temperature, the more the ice sheets melt, pushing sea level higher."""""

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You poached an UNCONTEXTED graphic that just shows what I said, an Rapid and UNNATURAL Spike in CO2, with just a Lag in Ocean and Air Temp ensured to follow.

YOU LOSE BY YOUR OWN SOURCE.... Once IN CONTEXT

You FILTHY LYING POS with 50,000 LYING "Natural Interglacials" IN fact refuted even with your Uncontexted graphic showing only the UNNATURAL CO2 Spike with the lag yet to come

Ding is now Dung. Finished Forever.

`
Walls of text and links that don't address the point are red herrings.

The current interglacial period is 2C cooler with 26 ft shallower seas than previous interglacials. So our present climate is quite normal.

Presenting the present climate as unusual is an artifact of the data you are choosing to show. Using ice core data that does not smooth the climate fluctuations shows the recent warming trend is not unusual. D-O events show the present warming trend is not unusual.
 
Natural climate change and man made climate change are two different things.

Natural climate change is real and has happen many times and will continue into the future. It has made many species extent.

Man made climate change has not been scientifically proven. It is nothing more than scam by Leftest assholes and scientists willing to sell out for research grants from the Environmental Wackos.

We can have warmer weather in this post glacier period we are in but that doesn't mean humans caused it.
 
Climate scientists would have at least some credibility if the dishonest sonofabitches wouldn't lie about it so much, wouldn't they?

If there was actual AGW then there would be no need to create fraudulent and cherry picked data, would there? Also, maybe every once in a great while one of their stupid dire predictions like Al "Crazy Man" Gore made 25 years ago would actually come true instead of all of them being a bust, wouldn't it?

AGW is a scam. Only idiots believe that stupid crap.
My biggest complaint is how they roll everything into CO2; the UHI effects, natural warming trends, solar variability, their supposed feedback from CO2, etc.

The actual radiative forcing of CO2 is quite weak. They are getting their unrealistic estimates from so called climate sensitivity. If they ever published the components they would be laughed out of town. Which is why they won't. So yeah, they are quite dishonest.
 
Walls of text and links that don't address the point are red herrings.

The current interglacial period is 2C cooler with 26 ft shallower seas than previous interglacials. So our present climate is quite normal.

Presenting the present climate as unusual is an artifact of the data you are choosing to show. Using ice core data that does not smooth the climate fluctuations shows the recent warming trend is not unusual. D-O events show the present warming trend is not unusual.

Abu doesn't want to admit that we, Neanderthals, Denisovans lived through the much warmer Eemian interglacial period without modern technology because that would destroy their $$$ based pessimistic idiotic AGW belief system.
 
Abu doesn't want to admit that we, Neanderthals, Denisovans lived through the much warmer Eemian interglacial period without modern technology because that would destroy their $$$ based pessimistic idiotic AGW belief system.
Better warmer than colder. That's for certain.
 

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