Should this be a right?

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Is this a human being's right? And if not, why.

'Death Becomes Him' By Bruce Falconer

'Over the past decade, Ludwig Minelli has helped more than 1,000 people kill themselves and has turned Zurich into the undisputed world capital of assisted suicide. Minelli sees himself as a crusader for what he calls “the last human right”—and he believes that helping more and more people to die advances his cause. Even if you believe in an absolute right to die on your own terms, how far is too far in the quest to secure that right?'



"Switzerland’s permissive legal environment is unique, and has given rise to at least four assisted-suicide organizations. The two largest, both called Exit, one based in German-speaking Zurich, the other in French-speaking Geneva, limit their services to Swiss citizens. Another group, called Exit International and located in the Swiss capital of Bern, does occasionally take foreigners, but only in extraordinary cases. This leaves Dignitas as the one organization in Switzerland—and, therefore, the only one in the world—that will expedite the death of almost anyone who asks. Minelli calls suicide “the last human right,” and he has dedicated his life to securing it."

Link is not working but question remains
[www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/03/death-becomes-him/7916/]

And BBC News - Assisted suicide legal guidance due
 
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No one should care if one wants to off himself for any reason.

One SHOULD care when others "help" That is called murder. One should care when a Government gets involved and makes laws governing who can and can not "help" with this right. You do not trust Government to run your health care but have no problem if they regulate under what conditions others can "help" you kill yourself?
 
Just as long as you don't take anyone with you or make a policeman do it for you
 
No one should care if one wants to off himself for any reason.

One SHOULD care when others "help" That is called murder. One should care when a Government gets involved and makes laws governing who can and can not "help" with this right. You do not trust Government to run your health care but have no problem if they regulate under what conditions others can "help" you kill yourself?

it's only murder if one's life is taken against his will.

Seriously if a person puts a catheter in your arm so you can push a button to administer a lethal dose of morphine, it is not murder.
 
No one should care if one wants to off himself for any reason.

One SHOULD care when others "help" That is called murder. One should care when a Government gets involved and makes laws governing who can and can not "help" with this right. You do not trust Government to run your health care but have no problem if they regulate under what conditions others can "help" you kill yourself?

it's only murder if one's life is taken against his will.

Seriously if a person puts a catheter in your arm so you can push a button to administer a lethal dose of morphine, it is not murder.

It does not stop there once you start down that slippery slope.
 
One SHOULD care when others "help" That is called murder. One should care when a Government gets involved and makes laws governing who can and can not "help" with this right. You do not trust Government to run your health care but have no problem if they regulate under what conditions others can "help" you kill yourself?

it's only murder if one's life is taken against his will.

Seriously if a person puts a catheter in your arm so you can push a button to administer a lethal dose of morphine, it is not murder.

It does not stop there once you start down that slippery slope.

What slippery slope?

A person wants to die, he dies with or without help. No one's business but his.
 
it's only murder if one's life is taken against his will.

Seriously if a person puts a catheter in your arm so you can push a button to administer a lethal dose of morphine, it is not murder.

It does not stop there once you start down that slippery slope.

What slippery slope?

A person wants to die, he dies with or without help. No one's business but his.

You are an idiot if you believe that. Get Government involved and it becomes murder of the weak, infirm and handicapped. All "assisted" of course.
 
Is this a human being's right? And if not, why.

'Death Becomes Him' By Bruce Falconer

'Over the past decade, Ludwig Minelli has helped more than 1,000 people kill themselves and has turned Zurich into the undisputed world capital of assisted suicide. Minelli sees himself as a crusader for what he calls “the last human right”—and he believes that helping more and more people to die advances his cause. Even if you believe in an absolute right to die on your own terms, how far is too far in the quest to secure that right?'



"Switzerland’s permissive legal environment is unique, and has given rise to at least four assisted-suicide organizations. The two largest, both called Exit, one based in German-speaking Zurich, the other in French-speaking Geneva, limit their services to Swiss citizens. Another group, called Exit International and located in the Swiss capital of Bern, does occasionally take foreigners, but only in extraordinary cases. This leaves Dignitas as the one organization in Switzerland—and, therefore, the only one in the world—that will expedite the death of almost anyone who asks. Minelli calls suicide “the last human right,” and he has dedicated his life to securing it."

Link is not working but question remains
[]Death Becomes Him - Magazine - The Atlantic

And BBC News - Assisted suicide legal guidance due

I'm a libertarian minded person. I dont feel the government has to power to declare this a Right nor do I think the government has the power to stop someone from doing it to themselves.

However the government does have the power to punish people for ending the lives of others as it is considered murder. In this I would say that the government can't stop a person from killing themselves but they can make it illegal for a doctor to kill people.
 
It does not stop there once you start down that slippery slope.

What slippery slope?

A person wants to die, he dies with or without help. No one's business but his.

You are an idiot if you believe that. Get Government involved and it becomes murder of the weak, infirm and handicapped. All "assisted" of course.

Where did I ever say government should be involved?

The government absolutely should NOT be involved in any personal choices regarding one's health or life.
 
What slippery slope?

A person wants to die, he dies with or without help. No one's business but his.

You are an idiot if you believe that. Get Government involved and it becomes murder of the weak, infirm and handicapped. All "assisted" of course.

Where did I ever say government should be involved?

The government absolutely should NOT be involved in any personal choices regarding one's health or life.

Bravo, Bravo
 
No one should care if one wants to off himself for any reason.

One SHOULD care when others "help" That is called murder. One should care when a Government gets involved and makes laws governing who can and can not "help" with this right. You do not trust Government to run your health care but have no problem if they regulate under what conditions others can "help" you kill yourself?

it's only murder if one's life is taken against his will.

Seriously if a person puts a catheter in your arm so you can push a button to administer a lethal dose of morphine, it is not murder.

absolutely. there is an issue with the certainty of consent from individuals who cant just smoke themselves. if this were brought above board with more formalized consent, i think there would be less of an issue determining whether or not there was a murder/manslaughter or some type of 'assisted suicide'. so much could be done under the auspices of compassion, as we know.

how about life insurance and euthanasia?
 
One SHOULD care when others "help" That is called murder. One should care when a Government gets involved and makes laws governing who can and can not "help" with this right. You do not trust Government to run your health care but have no problem if they regulate under what conditions others can "help" you kill yourself?

it's only murder if one's life is taken against his will.

Seriously if a person puts a catheter in your arm so you can push a button to administer a lethal dose of morphine, it is not murder.

absolutely. there is an issue with the certainty of consent from individuals who cant just smoke themselves. if this were brought above board with more formalized consent, i think there would be less of an issue determining whether or not there was a murder/manslaughter or some type of 'assisted suicide'. so much could be done under the auspices of compassion, as we know.

how about life insurance and euthanasia?

As far as life insurance goes, there is a suicide clause in most policies that is only in force for the first 2 years of a policy.

The reasoning is that the 2 year clause will stop someone from buying insurance as a precursor to suicide. After the clause expires, the insurance benefit will be paid no matter what.
 
the government and many faith traditions see humanity as being above being put out of our misery for compassionate reasons. it is ironic. a horse with a fractured leg is shot dead minutes after the fact. i am the type to relish a painful death, and wouldn't want to be forestalled the opportunity.

the concern is the extent which policy on this matter is seen as the rest of us not liking to see suffering, or the interests of the sufferers themselves. if the sufferer can credibly declare their certainty of a desire to die, it is clear-cut. how often does that happen? is killing a legit business?

i guess there's abortion, law enforcement and the military. [sarcasm]that's all 100% legit[/sarcasm].
 
We don't have a right to take our lives. We didn't give ourselves life. We can't take it away.

And we sure as heck shouldn't allow others to get away with murder.
 
Is this a human being's right? And if not, why.

'Death Becomes Him' By Bruce Falconer

'Over the past decade, Ludwig Minelli has helped more than 1,000 people kill themselves and has turned Zurich into the undisputed world capital of assisted suicide. Minelli sees himself as a crusader for what he calls “the last human right”—and he believes that helping more and more people to die advances his cause. Even if you believe in an absolute right to die on your own terms, how far is too far in the quest to secure that right?'



"Switzerland’s permissive legal environment is unique, and has given rise to at least four assisted-suicide organizations. The two largest, both called Exit, one based in German-speaking Zurich, the other in French-speaking Geneva, limit their services to Swiss citizens. Another group, called Exit International and located in the Swiss capital of Bern, does occasionally take foreigners, but only in extraordinary cases. This leaves Dignitas as the one organization in Switzerland—and, therefore, the only one in the world—that will expedite the death of almost anyone who asks. Minelli calls suicide “the last human right,” and he has dedicated his life to securing it."

Link is not working but question remains
[]Death Becomes Him - Magazine - The Atlantic

And BBC News - Assisted suicide legal guidance due

I think there is a vast difference between assisted suicide and allowing someone to die a natural death. Due to all the medical advances now it is actually quite challenging to die naturally.

I actually met and knew Jack Kevorkian first assisted suicide. It was a slim, professional woman, high powered academic who was newly diagnosed with Alzheimers. She was barely symptomatic. She couldn't live with the idea of losing her memory.
 
We don't have a right to take our lives. We didn't give ourselves life. We can't take it away.

And we sure as heck shouldn't allow others to get away with murder.

Are you opposed to capital punishment? State sanctioned killing?
 
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