Should The Rich Be Required To Pay Higher Taxes In the US?

[Little-Acorn]

Should The Rich Be Required To Pay Higher Taxes In the US?

In general govt can do, what you can do.
Taking more from the people who earn more, is simple theft.
Whether it's govt doing it or you doing it.

Yeah, it's amazing what one month of Trump can do.

I've made this point many times over the years.

No one has ever refuted it yet.

 

[usmbguest5318]

Should The Rich Be Required To Pay Higher Taxes In the US?

I think the rich should ABSOLUTELY pay more

Just how much more would you have rich people pay? Wealthy people already pay over half the total personal federal income taxes collected.

do they, actually pay that or does an, artificial person do it for them?

I hope you wrote that just to try to be cute and that you didn't ask that question with serious intent.

Mr. Trump did not pay any personal income taxes, recently.

1. Donald Trump is a wealthy person. He is not "rich people" nor is he "the rich." He is a member of those groups, not the entirety of those groups.
2. How do you know what Trump paid in personal income taxes? I haven't seen is tax returns, so I don't know. I can make some pretty good inferences about what he may have paid, but that's about it. I recall the news about his nearly one billion dollar net operating loss, but I don't know to what tax years he elected to roll it forward or backward. Do you?

nothing but diversion? or, do you prefer to, "blame the poor" for not paying income taxes.

seems like a, "conflict of interest" if he wants to lower taxes, for the rich.

Would you please clarify your comments using complete sentences that allow me to be certain about which parts of my prior post you are referring to. I responded to you in clear English so you wouldn't have trouble understanding. Would you do the same please? I'd like to know what you are trying to communicate, but it's not at all clear in the most recent post above.

 

[danielpalos]

Should The Rich Be Required To Pay Higher Taxes In the US?

I think the rich should ABSOLUTELY pay more

Just how much more would you have rich people pay? Wealthy people already pay over half the total personal federal income taxes collected.

do they, actually pay that or does an, artificial person do it for them?

I hope you wrote that just to try to be cute and that you didn't ask that question with serious intent.

Mr. Trump did not pay any personal income taxes, recently.

1. Donald Trump is a wealthy person. He is not "rich people" nor is he "the rich." He is a member of those groups, not the entirety of those groups.
2. How do you know what Trump paid in personal income taxes? I haven't seen is tax returns, so I don't know. I can make some pretty good inferences about what he may have paid, but that's about it. I recall the news about his nearly one billion dollar net operating loss, but I don't know to what tax years he elected to roll it forward or backward. Do you?

nothing but diversion? or, do you prefer to, "blame the poor" for not paying income taxes.

seems like a, "conflict of interest" if he wants to lower taxes, for the rich.

Would you please clarify your comments using complete sentences that allow me to be certain about which parts of my prior post you are referring to. I responded to you in clear English so you wouldn't have trouble understanding. Would you do the same please? I'd like to know what you are trying to communicate, but it's not at all clear in the most recent post above.

seems like a, "conflict of interest" if he wants to lower taxes, for the rich.

 

[Papageorgio]

Just how much more would you have rich people pay? Wealthy people already pay over half the total personal federal income taxes collected.

do they, actually pay that or does an, artificial person do it for them?

Mr. Trump did not pay any personal income taxes, recently.

Trump paid what he was legally required to pay, just as most Americans do. Your issue is with your Congressman not Trump.

Only the national socialist right wing, is cognitively dissonant enough to "blame the poor" for only paying the taxes they are legally obligated to pay.

Show me anything about me "blaming the poor", it seems I am blaming Congress who makes and passes laws that allow for huge loopholes that allow rich not to pay taxes. The poor as anyone need to pay the least they legally can. I don't fault people for using the laws to benefit themselves.

Seems you are the one wanting the poor to pay taxes, pretty petty and selfish of you.

is that your current propaganda and rhetoric, so i can remind you next time you start, "blaming the poor" for not paying income taxes, but getting social service benefits.

I have held that stance for a long time however since your reading comprehension sucks you probably couldn't figure that out.

I am for lower taxes and lower government spending. So when you learn how to read maybe one day we can exchange ideas instead of you looking like an idiot. I won't hold my breath.

 

[usmbguest5318]

Should The Rich Be Required To Pay Higher Taxes In the US?

I think the rich should ABSOLUTELY pay more

Just how much more would you have rich people pay? Wealthy people already pay over half the total personal federal income taxes collected.

do they, actually pay that or does an, artificial person do it for them?

I hope you wrote that just to try to be cute and that you didn't ask that question with serious intent.

Mr. Trump did not pay any personal income taxes, recently.

1. Donald Trump is a wealthy person. He is not "rich people" nor is he "the rich." He is a member of those groups, not the entirety of those groups.
2. How do you know what Trump paid in personal income taxes? I haven't seen is tax returns, so I don't know. I can make some pretty good inferences about what he may have paid, but that's about it. I recall the news about his nearly one billion dollar net operating loss, but I don't know to what tax years he elected to roll it forward or backward. Do you?

nothing but diversion? or, do you prefer to, "blame the poor" for not paying income taxes.

seems like a, "conflict of interest" if he wants to lower taxes, for the rich.

Would you please clarify your comments using complete sentences that allow me to be certain about which parts of my prior post you are referring to. I responded to you in clear English so you wouldn't have trouble understanding. Would you do the same please? I'd like to know what you are trying to communicate, but it's not at all clear in the most recent post above.

seems like a, "conflict of interest" if he wants to lower taxes, for the rich.

What Trump has proposed is lowering the marginal tax rates. Seeing as very few people, most especially wealthy people actually pay at the marginal rate, That he wants to lower the marginal tax rates is little but window dressing.

Without even trying to get into exact number, merely knowing that about 250K Americans earn $1M or more per year in income and knowing that the marginal rate on their income is 39.6%, a quick look at some data will show you that not even most of them pay at their marginal rate.

There're other data that one can use to arrive at the same conclusion from a different direction. Look at Table 1 at the preceding link or look at the chart below that summarizes part of it.

If you want to talk about Trump's tax proposals in terms of whether they constitute a conflict of interest, you need to look not at his marginal rate proposals, but at his specifically proposed code changes. If you do, and are savvy enough about tax provisions, what you'll find is that his tax changes greatly benefit rich people. Indeed, it's safe to say that there is nothing in Trump's specific code change proposals that's not good for Donald Trump. I haven't looked to see whether his changes would yield any real benefit to average Americans (folks in the two middle column groups in the chart above).

 

[g5000]

I think the rich should ABSOLUTELY pay more because the majority of them are selfish and don't care about anybody but themselves! Trust me, if you are a millionaire, it is NOT going to hurt you if you just pay a little more in taxes. I believe that if you are a good and righteous person, you would want to help the poor or people that are less fortunate. It's as simple as that! People need to stop being so selfish.

The rich already pay about 60% of Fed taxes dumbass. If not for those "rich" folks the middle class would be paying that 60%.

You, however, can make a contribution to the Treasury Department any time you please.

Try not to be more of a moron than you already are idiot.

You're talking to someone who left the forum a year and a half ago.

 

[Chuz Life]

I wish I could have as much a right to my money as the leftards here think they have to it!

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[Clementine]

wealthy people do pay the majority of taxes despite the left claiming otherwise.

Who on the left that matters has made that claim?

It's been said by many that they aren't paying their fair share. If they already pay the majority of taxes then what exactly is considered a fair share?

 

[usmbguest5318]

wealthy people do pay the majority of taxes despite the left claiming otherwise.

Who on the left that matters has made that claim?

It's been said by many that they aren't paying their fair share. If they already pay the majority of taxes then what exactly is considered a fair share?

I don't think I can give you an empirical answer to what constitutes a "fair share" by income bracket regardless of who pays more or less taxes.

 

[g5000]

I don't care what kind of tax scheme you have (Fair Tax, Flat Tax, progressive tax, etc.), none of it means jack shit as long as we are being robbed of $1.4 trillion a year in tax expenditures which are paid for by higher tax rates and borrowing.

Tax expenditures are a massive transfer of wealth up the food chain, creating an unlevel playing field which benefits a select few.

We don't need to tax the rich more. We need to eliminate tax expenditures and level the playing field.

Then we can LOWER tax rates for EVERYONE.

 

[usmbguest5318]

I wish I could have as much a right to my money as the leftards here think they have to it!

Just ballparking it, I think the left only thinks about 25% or less of your income should go to the federal gov't, unless you are a high earner, in which case they want more. Assuming you fall in the middle somewhere, to whom have you ceded the rights to the remaining 75%

I can tell you where most of my money used to go....my kids and their "sh*t." Two of them are on their own now, so I have more rights to more of my money. I still have two to go.

 

[danielpalos]

do they, actually pay that or does an, artificial person do it for them?

Mr. Trump did not pay any personal income taxes, recently.

Trump paid what he was legally required to pay, just as most Americans do. Your issue is with your Congressman not Trump.

Only the national socialist right wing, is cognitively dissonant enough to "blame the poor" for only paying the taxes they are legally obligated to pay.

Show me anything about me "blaming the poor", it seems I am blaming Congress who makes and passes laws that allow for huge loopholes that allow rich not to pay taxes. The poor as anyone need to pay the least they legally can. I don't fault people for using the laws to benefit themselves.

Seems you are the one wanting the poor to pay taxes, pretty petty and selfish of you.

is that your current propaganda and rhetoric, so i can remind you next time you start, "blaming the poor" for not paying income taxes, but getting social service benefits.

I have held that stance for a long time however since your reading comprehension sucks you probably couldn't figure that out.

I am for lower taxes and lower government spending. So when you learn how to read maybe one day we can exchange ideas instead of you looking like an idiot. I won't hold my breath.

right wing projection, is still, nothing but the repeal of rejection instead of a better solution at lower cost, rebuttal.

 

[Slyhunter]

wealthy people do pay the majority of taxes despite the left claiming otherwise.

Who on the left that matters has made that claim?

It's been said by many that they aren't paying their fair share. If they already pay the majority of taxes then what exactly is considered a fair share?

what is the fair share of money you spend on survival. If taxes dip into that than it's too much. Those who need more of their money, as a percentage, to pay the rent should pay the least. Those who can afford million dollar weddings should pay the most.

 

[Papageorgio]

Trump paid what he was legally required to pay, just as most Americans do. Your issue is with your Congressman not Trump.

Only the national socialist right wing, is cognitively dissonant enough to "blame the poor" for only paying the taxes they are legally obligated to pay.

Show me anything about me "blaming the poor", it seems I am blaming Congress who makes and passes laws that allow for huge loopholes that allow rich not to pay taxes. The poor as anyone need to pay the least they legally can. I don't fault people for using the laws to benefit themselves.

Seems you are the one wanting the poor to pay taxes, pretty petty and selfish of you.

is that your current propaganda and rhetoric, so i can remind you next time you start, "blaming the poor" for not paying income taxes, but getting social service benefits.

I have held that stance for a long time however since your reading comprehension sucks you probably couldn't figure that out.

I am for lower taxes and lower government spending. So when you learn how to read maybe one day we can exchange ideas instead of you looking like an idiot. I won't hold my breath.

right wing projection, is still, nothing but the repeal of rejection instead of a better solution at lower cost, rebuttal.

So you are a fraud, I got it.

 

[danielpalos]

Just how much more would you have rich people pay? Wealthy people already pay over half the total personal federal income taxes collected.

do they, actually pay that or does an, artificial person do it for them?

I hope you wrote that just to try to be cute and that you didn't ask that question with serious intent.

Mr. Trump did not pay any personal income taxes, recently.

1. Donald Trump is a wealthy person. He is not "rich people" nor is he "the rich." He is a member of those groups, not the entirety of those groups.
2. How do you know what Trump paid in personal income taxes? I haven't seen is tax returns, so I don't know. I can make some pretty good inferences about what he may have paid, but that's about it. I recall the news about his nearly one billion dollar net operating loss, but I don't know to what tax years he elected to roll it forward or backward. Do you?

nothing but diversion? or, do you prefer to, "blame the poor" for not paying income taxes.

seems like a, "conflict of interest" if he wants to lower taxes, for the rich.

Would you please clarify your comments using complete sentences that allow me to be certain about which parts of my prior post you are referring to. I responded to you in clear English so you wouldn't have trouble understanding. Would you do the same please? I'd like to know what you are trying to communicate, but it's not at all clear in the most recent post above.

seems like a, "conflict of interest" if he wants to lower taxes, for the rich.

What Trump has proposed is lowering the marginal tax rates.

That is the "conflict of interest" part.

Does our Commander in Chief believe we should lower taxes during any alleged need for the exigencies, he alleges to believe are necessary and proper and executed via executive order, for any alleged exigency of "national security" and the necessity and propriety of national security Tax Rates, now?

In other words, are we in Real Times of War or not.

Real times of War require real times of War, tax rates;

In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people, personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crime against the people. Therefore, we demand the total confiscation of all war profits.

The People, have a need to know.

 

[danielpalos]

Only the national socialist right wing, is cognitively dissonant enough to "blame the poor" for only paying the taxes they are legally obligated to pay.

Show me anything about me "blaming the poor", it seems I am blaming Congress who makes and passes laws that allow for huge loopholes that allow rich not to pay taxes. The poor as anyone need to pay the least they legally can. I don't fault people for using the laws to benefit themselves.

Seems you are the one wanting the poor to pay taxes, pretty petty and selfish of you.

is that your current propaganda and rhetoric, so i can remind you next time you start, "blaming the poor" for not paying income taxes, but getting social service benefits.

I have held that stance for a long time however since your reading comprehension sucks you probably couldn't figure that out.

I am for lower taxes and lower government spending. So when you learn how to read maybe one day we can exchange ideas instead of you looking like an idiot. I won't hold my breath.

right wing projection, is still, nothing but the repeal of rejection instead of a better solution at lower cost, rebuttal.

So you are a fraud, I got it.

practice makes perfect.

 

[Papageorgio]

Show me anything about me "blaming the poor", it seems I am blaming Congress who makes and passes laws that allow for huge loopholes that allow rich not to pay taxes. The poor as anyone need to pay the least they legally can. I don't fault people for using the laws to benefit themselves.

Seems you are the one wanting the poor to pay taxes, pretty petty and selfish of you.

is that your current propaganda and rhetoric, so i can remind you next time you start, "blaming the poor" for not paying income taxes, but getting social service benefits.

I have held that stance for a long time however since your reading comprehension sucks you probably couldn't figure that out.

I am for lower taxes and lower government spending. So when you learn how to read maybe one day we can exchange ideas instead of you looking like an idiot. I won't hold my breath.

right wing projection, is still, nothing but the repeal of rejection instead of a better solution at lower cost, rebuttal.

So you are a fraud, I got it.

practice makes perfect.

It seems you are the perfect fraud.

 

[danielpalos]

we have a Commerce Clause; don't complain, be Patriotic.

 

[danielpalos]

is that your current propaganda and rhetoric, so i can remind you next time you start, "blaming the poor" for not paying income taxes, but getting social service benefits.

I have held that stance for a long time however since your reading comprehension sucks you probably couldn't figure that out.

I am for lower taxes and lower government spending. So when you learn how to read maybe one day we can exchange ideas instead of you looking like an idiot. I won't hold my breath.

right wing projection, is still, nothing but the repeal of rejection instead of a better solution at lower cost, rebuttal.

So you are a fraud, I got it.

practice makes perfect.

It seems you are the perfect fraud.

dear, you have nothing but diversion, which is usually considered a fallacy.

 

[Papageorgio]

I have held that stance for a long time however since your reading comprehension sucks you probably couldn't figure that out.

I am for lower taxes and lower government spending. So when you learn how to read maybe one day we can exchange ideas instead of you looking like an idiot. I won't hold my breath.

right wing projection, is still, nothing but the repeal of rejection instead of a better solution at lower cost, rebuttal.

So you are a fraud, I got it.

practice makes perfect.

It seems you are the perfect fraud.

dear, you have nothing but diversion, which is usually considered a fallacy.

I am not a dear, so please cease with the tripe. You have done nothing but divert, which is considered a fallacy.