Should The President Invoke Emergency Powers Under Article VI & the 14th Amendment..

[Salt Jones]

Perhaps Lord Obama should actually propose a budget that doesn't send us into an even further economic sinkhole. BTW... not getting his way isn't reason enough to impose martial law.

According to the Constitution it is. Read up.

The U.S. Constitution does not allow the President to send out the Military if he doesn't get his way. It it did, we wouldn't need Congress or the Judiciary.

Here:

"The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned."

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

So, the premise here is that the President can basically call out the troops because Congress, who btw, holds the purse strings, won't let him spend what ever amount he wants?

How colossally stupid is this?

 

[Sheldon]

...if there is no budget agreement by Aug 2nd, and the US is at risk of defaulting on its constitional obligation to pay its debts?


Insurrection Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The United States Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

How do people feel about this?

Any president can't just allow the US to be held hostage to the unwillingness of Congress to meet the constitutional obligations of the US to pay our legally incurred financial obligations because Congress fails to fulfill its constitutional requirement to raise the debt ceiling in order to insure that America does not default on its debt.

So now I'm curious... Where should he send our troops? Are you thinking like surrounding the capitol and locking down the DC airports, or what?

 

[bucs90]

Hmmm. So the only thing stopping the deal is the Obama/left wing fanaticism and lust for raising taxes. So...if "the people", aka the reps in House/Senate, say no to that, Obama would just take a tyrant-like action and force tax raises down our throat.

Yep. Seems like his style.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

According to the Constitution it is. Read up.

The U.S. Constitution does not allow the President to send out the Military if he doesn't get his way. It it did, we wouldn't need Congress or the Judiciary.

Here:

"The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned."

And who is questioning the validity of the public debt?

WTF is wrong with you?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I don't see how Obama allows an election in 2012, he knows he's radioactive to Jews and Moderates, even someone as clueless as Obama must know he's a one-termer

 

[Dr.Traveler]

According to the Constitution it is. Read up.

The U.S. Constitution does not allow the President to send out the Military if he doesn't get his way. It it did, we wouldn't need Congress or the Judiciary.

Here:

"The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned."

I'd add: check out the powers a GOP House and Senate handed a GOP President post 9/11 and you'll find martial law can be declared for much less.

 

[bucs90]

But I for one BEG him to do that. He'd lose in 2012 by 20 points.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

The U.S. Constitution does not allow the President to send out the Military if he doesn't get his way. It it did, we wouldn't need Congress or the Judiciary.

Here:

"The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned."

I'd add: check out the powers a GOP House and Senate handed a GOP President post 9/11 and you'll find martial law can be declared for much less.

Boooooooooooooosssssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.................

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Sic semper tyrannis!

 

[Salt Jones]

So, the premise here is that the President can basically call out the troops because Congress, who btw, holds the purse strings, won't let him spend what ever amount he wants?

How colossally stupid is this?

The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

Has the debt limit been hit? Has that debt been incurred? Is not raising the debt limit to equal the amount of money the US has actually borrowed questioning the validity of the public debt?

 

[whitehall]

Let me get this straight, you think a failure to come to an agreement on the budget ceiling equals an insurrection or rebellion which justifies calling out the Military? Pretty extreme isn't it? The problem concerns leadership and apparently the former community activist ain't got it.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

I don't see how Obama allows an election in 2012, he knows he's radioactive to Jews and Moderates, even someone as clueless as Obama must know he's a one-termer

At this point most folks said the same about Bush in 2003 and the Democrats picked Kerry, allowing Bush to coast to a second term.

Obama probably should be a one termer, but the GOP field is a bunch of Kerrys. Being the "not Obama" won't be enough to win.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

So, the premise here is that the President can basically call out the troops because Congress, who btw, holds the purse strings, won't let him spend what ever amount he wants?

How colossally stupid is this?

The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

Has the debt limit been hit? Has that debt been incurred? Is not raising the debt limit to equal the amount of money the US has actually borrowed questioning the validity of the public debt?

No.

Let me guess, public school?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

I don't see how Obama allows an election in 2012, he knows he's radioactive to Jews and Moderates, even someone as clueless as Obama must know he's a one-termer

At this point most folks said the same about Bush in 2003 and the Democrats picked Kerry, allowing Bush to coast to a second term.

Obama probably should be a one termer, but the GOP field is a bunch of Kerrys. Being the "not Obama" won't be enough to win.

No, but throwing his shitty record in his face will.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

So, the premise here is that the President can basically call out the troops because Congress, who btw, holds the purse strings, won't let him spend what ever amount he wants?

How colossally stupid is this?

The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

Has the debt limit been hit? Has that debt been incurred? Is not raising the debt limit to equal the amount of money the US has actually borrowed questioning the validity of the public debt?

Where do people get the crazy idea that Libs are Fascists?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

So, the premise here is that the President can basically call out the troops because Congress, who btw, holds the purse strings, won't let him spend what ever amount he wants?

How colossally stupid is this?

The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

Has the debt limit been hit? Has that debt been incurred? Is not raising the debt limit to equal the amount of money the US has actually borrowed questioning the validity of the public debt?

Where do people get the crazy idea that Libs are Fascists?

Geeze.. I dunno, seems like such a stretch.

 

[Mustang]

Let me get this straight, you think a failure to come to an agreement on the budget ceiling equals an insurrection or rebellion which justifies calling out the Military? Pretty extreme isn't it? The problem concerns leadership and apparently the former community activist ain't got it.

(2) A condition described in this paragraph is a condition that-- (1) (A) so hinders the execution of the laws of a State or possession, as applicable, and of the United States within that State or possession, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted authorities of that State or possession are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection; or (2)(B) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws. (3) In any situation covered by clause (1) paragraph (1)(B), the State shall be considered to have denied the equal protection of the laws secured by the Constitution.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Hitler was a socialist... oh, the irony.

 

[martybegan]

...if there is no budget agreement by Aug 2nd, and the US is at risk of defaulting on its constitional obligation to pay its debts?


Insurrection Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The United States Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

How do people feel about this?

Any president can't just allow the US to be held hostage to the unwillingness of Congress to meet the constitutional obligations of the US to pay our legally incurred financial obligations because Congress fails to fulfill its constitutional requirement to raise the debt ceiling in order to insure that America does not default on its debt.

Please.. please do. It will be the final nail in the Communist insurrection.

Are you saying that conservatives might rise up to try to overthrow the gov't? That would warrant the sending in of troops, which a president is perfectly within his rights to do as the head of the executive branch under the constitution AND current laws.

Sending in troops? You do remember what side of the poltical spectrum the majority of a soldiers come from? If ordered to suppress civilians after the president declares a state of emergency do you really think they will follow orders?

This is all laughable at face value. What I find disturbing is your apparent glee at having the president basically nullify congress.