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So, the premise here is that the President can basically call out the troops because Congress, who btw, holds the purse strings, won't let him spend what ever amount he wants?
How colossally stupid is this?
Any president can't just allow the US to be held hostage to the unwillingness of Congress to meet the constitutional obligations of the US to pay our legally incurred financial obligations because Congress fails to fulfill its constitutional requirement to raise the debt ceiling in order to insure that America does not default on its debt.
Where do people get the crazy idea that Libs are Fascists?
Geeze.. I dunno, seems like such a stretch.
So, the premise here is that the President can basically call out the troops because Congress, who btw, holds the purse strings, won't let him spend what ever amount he wants?
How colossally stupid is this?
Here we have a classic example of the liberal faith in the democratic process.
Are you saying that conservatives might rise up to try to overthrow the gov't? That would warrant the sending in of troops, which a president is perfectly within his rights to do as the head of the executive branch under the constitution AND current laws.
Sending in troops? You do remember what side of the poltical spectrum the majority of a soldiers come from? If ordered to suppress civilians after the president declares a state of emergency do you really think they will follow orders?
This is all laughable at face value. What I find disturbing is your apparent glee at having the president basically nullify congress.
Military units are trained to follow orders.
Besides, look at past left wing military states. Lefties LOVE using violent force to mold their homeland society into their image.
...if there is no budget agreement by Aug 2nd, and the US is at risk of defaulting on its constitional obligation to pay its debts?
Insurrection Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The United States Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net
How do people feel about this?
Any president can't just allow the US to be held hostage to the unwillingness of Congress to meet the constitutional obligations of the US to pay our legally incurred financial obligations because Congress fails to fulfill its constitutional requirement to raise the debt ceiling in order to insure that America does not default on its debt.
...if there is no budget agreement by Aug 2nd, and the US is at risk of defaulting on its constitional obligation to pay its debts?
Insurrection Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The United States Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net
How do people feel about this?
Any president can't just allow the US to be held hostage to the unwillingness of Congress to meet the constitutional obligations of the US to pay our legally incurred financial obligations because Congress fails to fulfill its constitutional requirement to raise the debt ceiling in order to insure that America does not default on its debt.
LMAO. YES, please ....PLEASE have the Hussein invoke this and just abolish Congress. Because you know, he knows best and we can trust him.
Holy FUCK you libs are insane.
Besides, look at past left wing military states. Lefties LOVE using violent force to mold their homeland society into their image.
And Right wing governments never ever do this? Never ever? Never?
I've found it hilarious how quickly Conservatives forget just how many dictatorships GOP administrations helped get into power and support. Part of the reason the Middle Eastern and Latin American countries are such a mess is because GOP presidents as a rule find democracies too messy and instead support dictatorships because they're easier.
Obama and The GOP are playing chicken right now, an both sides are threatening pretty unspeakable things. Too claim innocence or the high ground is the height of hypocrisy.
Besides, look at past left wing military states. Lefties LOVE using violent force to mold their homeland society into their image.
And Right wing governments never ever do this? Never ever? Never?
I've found it hilarious how quickly Conservatives forget just how many dictatorships GOP administrations helped get into power and support. Part of the reason the Middle Eastern and Latin American countries are such a mess is because GOP presidents as a rule find democracies too messy and instead support dictatorships because they're easier.
Obama and The GOP are playing chicken right now, an both sides are threatening pretty unspeakable things. Too claim innocence or the high ground is the height of hypocrisy.
Ok, I gave over 10 examples. Give me examples of right wing, conservative small-gov't situations where the gov't turned the military to commit horrors on it's own people.............got any?
Good call. I can't think of a reason why he couldn't do this. He is charged with protecting this country, after all.
That's the same logic Hitler used to justify putting Jews in gas ovens.
You're going to have to draw that line from A to B, cuz I don't see it.
Ok, I gave over 10 examples. Give me examples of right wing, conservative small-gov't situations where the gov't turned the military to commit horrors on it's own people.............got any?
Don't you know pro military governments with Religious ties are left wing? I mean unless it's Israel or the United States or the current government of Iraq or Afghanistan or....Iran
So, the premise here is that the President can basically call out the troops because Congress, who btw, holds the purse strings, won't let him spend what ever amount he wants?
How colossally stupid is this?
The military won't be called out. What would likely happen is Obama would likely declare emergency powers, sign an executive order to let the treasury stop a default, then rescind his powers. Most folks wouldnt even understand what a seismic event that would be and there's no risk of civil war. Hell, he'd probably jump up a few points in the poles for finally showing some spine.
The GOP would likely fume and fuss and let it go. You'd probably never hear about it on the campaign trail and the next time a Democrat Cogress got uppity the next GOP President would use the precedent and do the same thing.
Fuhrer Obama. My bad.
The U.S. Constitution does not allow the President to send out the Military if he doesn't get his way. It it did, we wouldn't need Congress or the Judiciary.
Here:
"The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned."
I'd add: check out the powers a GOP House and Senate handed a GOP President post 9/11 and you'll find martial law can be declared for much less.
Sending in troops? You do remember what side of the poltical spectrum the majority of a soldiers come from? If ordered to suppress civilians after the president declares a state of emergency do you really think they will follow orders?
This is all laughable at face value. What I find disturbing is your apparent glee at having the president basically nullify congress.
Military units are trained to follow orders.
Following orders without question died at Nuremberg. I have a request for you below:
Short answer is no.[
I was thinking something along the same lines as far as how it could happen.
An interesting side note is wondering what would happen when invariably RW radio hosts later took to the airwaves to rail against the gov't, especially if they called for some kind of resistance, armed or otherwise. Would that constitute some form of treason or sedition, thereby warranting, in the eyes of the gov't, taking them off the air or some kind of house arrest for the remainder of the crisis?
