Should The President Invoke Emergency Powers Under Article VI & the 14th Amendment..

[Wiseacre]

Geez guys, there's no way we default on our debt. We're still taking in about 200 billion a month, and the debt interest is around 20 billion. So we can continue to pay the interest and not default, but the real question is the other things that should be paid, like Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, the Armed Forces, federal prisons, etc. There's not enough left over after paying the debt interest for the stuff that really needs to be paid, but declaring an emergency is off the charts. All he's gotta do is take the tax hikes off he table and the problem is over. That might be a politial problem but it sure as hell ain't no emergency.

 

[Sheldon]

I don't see how Obama allows an election in 2012, he knows he's radioactive to Jews and Moderates, even someone as clueless as Obama must know he's a one-termer

At this point most folks said the same about Bush in 2003 and the Democrats picked Kerry, allowing Bush to coast to a second term.

Obama probably should be a one termer, but the GOP field is a bunch of Kerrys. Being the "not Obama" won't be enough to win.

Did Bush really coast? I remember the race being pretty tight until the end, but I was just 18 at the time so yeah. And I think him being a war president helped his numbers.

But I agree that the "anti-Obama" platform will only get so far. Maybe a primary nomination, but imo winning the general election will take more than JUST the "Obama is a failure" rhetoric. Even though candidate Obama talked about Bush II a lot, he still offered up his own ideas.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Please.. please do. It will be the final nail in the Communist insurrection.

Are you saying that conservatives might rise up to try to overthrow the gov't? That would warrant the sending in of troops, which a president is perfectly within his rights to do as the head of the executive branch under the constitution AND current laws.

Sending in troops? You do remember what side of the poltical spectrum the majority of a soldiers come from? If ordered to suppress civilians after the president declares a state of emergency do you really think they will follow orders?

This is all laughable at face value. What I find disturbing is your apparent glee at having the president basically nullify congress.

This is what Fascists do.

 

[Salt Jones]

Let me get this straight, you think a failure to come to an agreement on the budget ceiling equals an insurrection or rebellion which justifies calling out the Military? Pretty extreme isn't it? The problem concerns leadership and apparently the former community activist ain't got it.

They are not arguing over the BUDGET. This is about raising the debt ceiling, they are two different pieces of legislation/laws. The basic lack of government understanding displayed by the right wing is funny. Go study some more David Barton American "History".

 

[Mustang]

Please.. please do. It will be the final nail in the Communist insurrection.

Are you saying that conservatives might rise up to try to overthrow the gov't? That would warrant the sending in of troops, which a president is perfectly within his rights to do as the head of the executive branch under the constitution AND current laws.

Sending in troops? You do remember what side of the poltical spectrum the majority of a soldiers come from? If ordered to suppress civilians after the president declares a state of emergency do you really think they will follow orders?

This is all laughable at face value. What I find disturbing is your apparent glee at having the president basically nullify congress.

Military units are trained to follow orders.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Let me get this straight, you think a failure to come to an agreement on the budget ceiling equals an insurrection or rebellion which justifies calling out the Military? Pretty extreme isn't it? The problem concerns leadership and apparently the former community activist ain't got it.

They are not arguing over the BUDGET. This is about raising the debt ceiling, they are two different pieces of legislation/laws. The basic lack of government understanding displayed by the right wing is funny. Go study some more David Barton American "History".

You should go back and read the shit you have posted. You lack a fundamental understating of most everything.

If Obama were to do this, which he won't, he'd be jailed for treason. And rightly so.

 

[bucs90]

Are you saying that conservatives might rise up to try to overthrow the gov't? That would warrant the sending in of troops, which a president is perfectly within his rights to do as the head of the executive branch under the constitution AND current laws.

Sending in troops? You do remember what side of the poltical spectrum the majority of a soldiers come from? If ordered to suppress civilians after the president declares a state of emergency do you really think they will follow orders?

This is all laughable at face value. What I find disturbing is your apparent glee at having the president basically nullify congress.

Military units are trained to follow orders.

Yes. And here is a list of LEFT WING government militaries who followed orders:

Red China
Russia
North Korea
Nat'l Socialist Party of Germany
Burma
Vietnam
Cuba
Venezuela
USSR

Yes. I'm so enthused about the left wing turning our military towards civilians. All you cop haters will be begging for Barney Fife to come back.

 

[whitehall]

It just occurred to me that the left might be testing the water to see if Americans would support a period of Martial Law. Is that possible?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

It just occurred to me that the left might be testing the water to see if Americans would support a period of Martial Law. Is that possible?

Highly possibly. This is who they are... see Hitler, Mussolini, Castro, Chavez, Stalin, etc.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

Did Bush really coast? I remember the race being pretty tight until the end, but I was just 18 at the time so yeah. And I think him being a war president helped his numbers.

Kerry vs. Bush was a real fight up to the debates, at which point it became clear Kerry had almost nothing, and what he did have was hopped up on crazy. I was vehemently anti-Bush and still voted for him because Kerry made it clear he'd continue most of Bush's policies, and what he wouldn't continue he'd replace by something worse. Not to mention Kerry's views on Afghanistan and Iraq seems to be grounded in pure fantasy.

I see this election heading down the same path. Truth be told, Obama probably should lose in 2012. This show down over the debt ceiling is just another example of why. The man has zero leadership skills and if he has a vision or plan, he seems incapable of actually implementing it.

However the GOP side of the fence seems ready to lose. Again, this debt ceiling showdown is an example why. They're willing to risk default and an economic collapse to score a few ideological points and a lot of their front runners are bat shit crazy enough to be calling for an apocalypse if things aren't exactly their way. So screw 'em. I'll likely hold my nose and vote for Obama just like I did for Bush.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

The good news is that they have at least identified who they are.

 

[bucs90]

Laughing at the leftie who posted "This isn't about the BUDGET. It's about the debt ceiling."

Um...dumbass, they need to raise the debt ceiling b/c of their budget. We spend more than we take in. Lefties wanna raise that limit, which we've done before, but also take, repeat TAKE/CONFISCATE/WITHDRAWL BY THREAT OF VIOLENCE more money from private citizens.

 

[bucs90]

It just occurred to me that the left might be testing the water to see if Americans would support a period of Martial Law. Is that possible?

Of course they would.

If Obama proposed "National Kick a Puppy Day" fucking libtards would be printing NKPD tee shirts and praising him for it.

Besides, look at past left wing military states. Lefties LOVE using violent force to mold their homeland society into their image.

 

[bripat9643]

Good call. I can't think of a reason why he couldn't do this. He is charged with protecting this country, after all.

That's the same logic Hitler used to justify putting Jews in gas ovens.

You're going to have to draw that line from A to B, cuz I don't see it.

I know you don't get it.

Nazis never get it.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

The military won't be called out. What would likely happen is Obama would likely declare emergency powers, sign an executive order to let the treasury stop a default, then rescind his powers. Most folks wouldnt even understand what a seismic event that would be and there's no risk of civil war. Hell, he'd probably jump up a few points in the poles for finally showing some spine.

The GOP would likely fume and fuss and let it go. You'd probably never hear about it on the campaign trail and the next time a Democrat Cogress got uppity the next GOP President would use the precedent and do the same thing.

 

[bucs90]

Fuerer Obama.

 

[bripat9643]

Perhaps Lord Obama should actually propose a budget that doesn't send us into an even further economic sinkhole. BTW... not getting his way isn't reason enough to impose martial law.

According to the Constitution it is. Read up.

The Constitution grants no such authority.

Furthermore, not voting the way Obama and the Dims want is not an "insurrection."

There have been some stupid threads in this forum, but I think this is the dumbest of the dumb.

 

[bucs90]

Fuhrer Obama. My bad.

 

[bripat9643]

Invoking emergency powers are always a last resort. Of course I'd have thought putting the US into default would have also been a last resort.

So to sum up: the Republicans are threatening to put the US in default and collapse the world economy, and the Democrats are threatening to end this 235 year experiment in democracy. Interesting days.

Obama and the Dims are the ones threatening to put American into default.

 

[bucs90]

Perhaps Lord Obama should actually propose a budget that doesn't send us into an even further economic sinkhole. BTW... not getting his way isn't reason enough to impose martial law.

According to the Constitution it is. Read up.

The Constitution grants no such authority.

Furthermore, not voting the way Obama and the Dims want is not an "insurrection."

There have been some stupid threads in this forum, but I think this is the dumbest of the dumb.

Isn't it funny how lefties consider disagreeing with the President as an "insurrection". Next dictionary term: Insurgent.