Should the mods/admins enforce Zone 2 Rules in the Politics Forum?

[Pogo]

No flaming in a political forum? lol. Good luck with that. Politics, religion, abortion...the 3 MAIN volatile subjects with very strong opinions.

If folks could address the post and not the poster...that would be good but it rarely EVER happens.

Right now that is what is happening.

However we don't have to continue to tolerate boorish behavior.

Would that the poll choices had been fewer, thus less overlap.

Seems to me the issue is not that flames erupt; that's going to be a constant in political discourse and always has been. Rather, going by yesterday's example, we don't see a consistency of application as regards "baiting/polarizing threads". Some are dumped to the FZ as deserved, while others are not. Naturally that question will always swerve into grey areas of relative merit. And the personal bent of the moderator who is petitioned to move a given thread is going to lean that relative merit into more or less grey.

Perhaps the membership could vote in these cases -- thumbs up or down that Thread X stays in Politics or is dumped to the FZ?

[Edit: on further review I see yesterday's example has indeed been moved to the FZ, after the initial indication was that it would not be. Hence I think the original question here as to what the standards are, and what they are not]

 

[Nutz]

And there you have it. Fall foward, scurry back, fall forward, scurry back.

Meh.

It is more stupidity jumping to conclusions because of knee jerk reactions! You should try to grasp an understanding before you open mouth.

 

[jillian]

Bye. See ya. Toodles.

Don't like it? Hit the road.

So you think this board should be turned into stormfront light? I think he could have expanded to include the constant barrage of anti semitism, too

Calling someone a teapeer is not the problem. Neither is calling someone a lib.

Lib is not derogatory as is teaper. Calling someone a Con instead of conservative is not derogatory either. That you want your side not policed is the problem.

The WAY they use the word "lib" is intended to be derogatory. And the people who whine that teapeer is insulting are perfectly fine with racist and anti-Semitic terms.,...maybe not EVERY term but enough to make a new person looking at this board think we are what I said before -- stormfront light.

 

[Derideo_Te]

So you think this board should be turned into stormfront light? I think he could have expanded to include the constant barrage of anti semitism, too

Calling someone a teapeer is not the problem. Neither is calling someone a lib.

Lib is not derogatory as is teaper. Calling someone a Con instead of conservative is not derogatory either. That you want your side not policed is the problem.

The WAY they use the word "lib" is intended to be derogatory. And the people who whine that teapeer is insulting are perfectly fine with racist and anti-Semitic terms.,...maybe not EVERY term but enough to make a new person looking at this board think we are what I said before -- stormfront light.

Scary that anyone would get that impression but there is truth given that no action is taken against the threads that project that image.

 

[Nutz]

So you think this board should be turned into stormfront light? I think he could have expanded to include the constant barrage of anti semitism, too

Calling someone a teapeer is not the problem. Neither is calling someone a lib.

Lib is not derogatory as is teaper. Calling someone a Con instead of conservative is not derogatory either. That you want your side not policed is the problem.

The WAY they use the word "lib" is intended to be derogatory. And the people who whine that teapeer is insulting are perfectly fine with racist and anti-Semitic terms.,...maybe not EVERY term but enough to make a new person looking at this board think we are what I said before -- stormfront light.

Yep...and like I said...just look at the quality of new members flocking to the forum. I'm afraid you should replace light with heavy.

 

[Pogo]

And do you whine when teaper titles are used? or any other derogatory term in regards the right?

This is not about me. Personally I make a point of avoiding derogatory terms and being disrespectful. If someone insults me I tell them straight out that I don't tolerate it and ask them to clean up their act. If they can't they go an ignore because I am not prepared to waste my own time on those who are incapable of learning how to behave like an adult in public.

What this thread is about is egregious out of control flaming in the Political forum. It has essentially ruined all pretense of serious debate. There is no discernible difference between Political threads and FZ threads and that is the topic of discussion in this thread.

Your premise is a failure. The politics forum is no where near the Flame zone in offense. You are either a liar or so out of touch as to be ignorant of facts. I will assume you are just wrong and can't figure it out for yourself.

I report threads all the time in politics and they usually get moved, well except lately the mods allow the left to get away with murder.

Really.

Like what?

 

[Nutz]

Lib is not derogatory as is teaper. Calling someone a Con instead of conservative is not derogatory either. That you want your side not policed is the problem.

The WAY they use the word "lib" is intended to be derogatory. And the people who whine that teapeer is insulting are perfectly fine with racist and anti-Semitic terms.,...maybe not EVERY term but enough to make a new person looking at this board think we are what I said before -- stormfront light.

Scary that anyone would get that impression but there is truth given that no action is taken against the threads that project that image.

Check out #2 in this search: Racist Discussion Forums
https://www.google.com/webhp?source...=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=racist discussion forums

 

[RetiredGySgt]

So you think this board should be turned into stormfront light? I think he could have expanded to include the constant barrage of anti semitism, too

Calling someone a teapeer is not the problem. Neither is calling someone a lib.

Lib is not derogatory as is teaper. Calling someone a Con instead of conservative is not derogatory either. That you want your side not policed is the problem.

The WAY they use the word "lib" is intended to be derogatory. And the people who whine that teapeer is insulting are perfectly fine with racist and anti-Semitic terms.,...maybe not EVERY term but enough to make a new person looking at this board think we are what I said before -- stormfront light.

So remind me Jillian.... when was the last time you complained about the word Con? Or the more nasty versions of tea party which I believe you your self have used? Once again it is " ohh darn protect me but not them" Hypocrite. As for antisemitism be specific when have I EVER supported condoned or not taken to task anyone doing so? Be specific.

 

[BluesMistress]

From what I have seen in this thread and the now closed thread, Nutz wants everyone to conform to HIS way of thinking...and until they do, he will continue to use words others consider insulting because to him...it's "payback". Do as he demands, or else. And, any disagreement from anyone else is "racist" because this board is nothing BUT "racists". In short...he wants to dictate.

Ain't gonna happen.

Exactly....I completely agree...

I find Nutz to be Nutz to think he can come on this board as a newb and try to make such drastic changes while calling long time members racist names while he himself is the biggest offender.

People seem very happy just the way things are. If Nutz doesn't agree he can pick up his racist marbles and take them where he feels better about himself
And doesn't feel the need to call everyone else names or complain about the mods not doing their job. If Nutz is not Happy here there is the World Wide Web for him to find another place to complain about whatever he wants.
Me ~ I'm done with his crying while calling me and others names for the past 2 days. ....JMHO

 

[Nutz]

From what I have seen in this thread and the now closed thread, Nutz wants everyone to conform to HIS way of thinking...and until they do, he will continue to use words others consider insulting because to him...it's "payback". Do as he demands, or else. And, any disagreement from anyone else is "racist" because this board is nothing BUT "racists". In short...he wants to dictate.

Ain't gonna happen.

Exactly....I completely agree...

I find Nutz to be Nutz to think he can come on this board as a newb and try to make such drastic changes while calling long time members racist names while he himself is the biggest offender.

People seem very happy just the way things are. If Nutz doesn't agree he can pick up his racist marbles and take them where he feels better about himself
And doesn't feel the need to call everyone else names or complain about the mods not doing their job. Nutz is not Happy here there is the World Wide Web for him to find another place to complain about whatever he wants.
Me ~ I'm done with his crying while calling me and others names for the past 2 days. ....JMHO

Nutz, Nutz, Nutz! Nutz didn't start any of these threads...now did he? Nutz is a racist because he uses the term TEAPER! Pathetic.

 

[saveliberty]

The fallacy that political group A has your interests at heart more than party B.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Perhaps topics NOT belonging in the political forum should be reported. I just did on two of them. Captain America Is Black....is not political. How Obama works out is not political.

Maybe THIS is the problem.

been there, done that. still do

You can't link to other forums, but other places don't allow it, or they bleep personal insults and it keeps the temperature down, and serious debate does take place.

Because it is allowed, everyone will do it. If it wasn't allowed, I doubt that people would cease to argue their points....at least the ones that are able to explain their point more eloquently than to just say to some one, "you're a fucking moron" and that is the extent of their debate.

USMB has a perfect spot for serious one-on-one debates. Why isn't it used more? Because...

Because the "morons" that can't argue without cursing won't go there and the topics just die....I'm not saying that they can't use bad language, I'm saying they don't have to make it personal. There is a difference between saying "Your idea/comment sucks and it is stupid" than saying "you are a stupid moron, stick your stupid idea up your ass". I can't imagine civil people arguing over wanting to be able to use the latter....because there are only a few morons here that insist on talking like that.

Because the "morons" aren't there?

Are you ever there? @Mertex Have you tried?

What about the 'likers'? @Derideo_Te (Today), @Luddly Neddite (Today), @Wolfsister77 (Today) @Matthew (Yesterday), @Ropey (Today) @BluesMistress (Yesterday) @Wake (Today) @Toro @Gracie @Quantum Windbag (Today), Statistikhengst (Today) are they ever there?

What the fuck are you talking about?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

How did this all get to be about Nutz????

You guys are so blinded, you missed what I clearly said or I am missing what you clearly want. If you want it okay for Teapers to use this forum as an excuse to call black people, ******, porch monkey, tarbaby...etc...then so be it. But don't bitch because I use the word Teaper! Or make fun of Germans about their hate and bloodlust...or point to canadians and their insignificance.

It seems as if you guys think racism against black is okay...but no other hate will be tolerated. Of course, that is why Steve McGarrett's hate threads always remain front and center. Of course, that is why the only new members are rabid racists that continue the nastiness spewed by SJ, Traintime, McGarrett, Tank et al.

God forbid...Teaper is used. We wouldn't want to hurt warwulf's feelings...he is white.

Fucking pathetic.

Bye. See ya. Toodles.

Don't like it? Hit the road.

So you think this board should be turned into stormfront light? I think he could have expanded to include the constant barrage of anti semitism, too

Calling someone a teapeer is not the problem. Neither is calling someone a lib.

What the fuck are you talking about?

Are there racist on this board? Of course there are, they love boards like this.

Does the general community support them? From all the evidence the racists are pretty much condemned by everyone. They are marginalized, neg repped repeatedly, and mocked every time they raise their fucking heads. Your attempt to compare USMB to Stormfront is really out in left field.

Believe it or not, you do not have a right not to be offended, even on a message board. If you ran one you would have to learn that really fast, or watch the board turn into a something that no one but you ever visits.

 

[BluesMistress]

From what I have seen in this thread and the now closed thread, Nutz wants everyone to conform to HIS way of thinking...and until they do, he will continue to use words others consider insulting because to him...it's "payback". Do as he demands, or else. And, any disagreement from anyone else is "racist" because this board is nothing BUT "racists". In short...he wants to dictate.

Ain't gonna happen.

Exactly....I completely agree...

I find Nutz to be Nutz to think he can come on this board as a newb and try to make such drastic changes while calling long time members racist names while he himself is the biggest offender.

People seem very happy just the way things are. If Nutz doesn't agree he can pick up his racist marbles and take them where he feels better about himself
And doesn't feel the need to call everyone else names or complain about the mods not doing their job. Nutz is not Happy here there is the World Wide Web for him to find another place to complain about whatever he wants.
Me ~ I'm done with his crying while calling me and others names for the past 2 days. ....JMHO

Nutz, Nutz, Nutz! Nutz didn't start any of these threads...now did he? Nutz is a racist because he uses the term TEAPER! Pathetic.

This whole thread and the previous have been all about You ~ A TROLL
It's very easy to take care of a small problem such as you....
I simply click IGNORE ~~ Poooof You are Gone

 

[Toro]

http://www.usmessageboard.com/race-relations-racism/335667-in-honor-of-black-history-month.html

USMB is not a racist board, bubba. Oh. Wait. Is Bubba a racist term to you? How about Sparky? Spanky? Dude?

It's more racist now than when I first started participating several years ago.

I'm not advocating that the mods crack down on it. That's the price for having a fairly laissez-faire board.

But that's my observation.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Bye. See ya. Toodles.

Don't like it? Hit the road.

So you think this board should be turned into stormfront light? I think he could have expanded to include the constant barrage of anti semitism, too

Calling someone a teapeer is not the problem. Neither is calling someone a lib.

This is the quality of new members. Well, I guess most believe this is good quality since he doesn't use the term teaper. Hate against blacks = good!

http://www.usmessageboard.com/the-r...american-fashion-and-how-it-was-invented.html

New members like this join everyday. They sure do add a lot to honest and civil discussion! I guess since he didn't use the term TEAPER...it is okay. If he used the term ******, they might throw a parade for him!

Seriously? Who threw a parade for this guy, exactly? The guy has been mostly ranting about education, and that post is the only one which I have found that even mentions race, yet you accuse everyone who didn't jump all over it as being racist, even though you didn't jump all over it yourself.

Fuck off.

 

[saveliberty]

In fairness Gracie, I call all squirrels Sparky...

typically as my foot is going to the brakes.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

So you think this board should be turned into stormfront light? I think he could have expanded to include the constant barrage of anti semitism, too

Calling someone a teapeer is not the problem. Neither is calling someone a lib.

Lib is not derogatory as is teaper. Calling someone a Con instead of conservative is not derogatory either. That you want your side not policed is the problem.

Why in the world is TEAPER derogatory?

TEAPER is, as far as I can tell, a shortening from TEA PARTY and PERSON.

I mean, what the fuck, are people that sensitive? Really?

I can understand TEATARD or something like that being derogatory, but TEAPER?

Wow.....

Words like "******" (ouch, it hurt just to write that shit) or "****" or "wop" are indeed racist/bigoted terms.


That Righties want to show so much false umbrage over this is just plain old stupid.

Why would Redskin be derogatory?

You don't get to decide for other people what they consider derogatory any more than the owner of the Redskins does. If you had half a brain you would understand that.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Perhaps topics NOT belonging in the political forum should be reported. I just did on two of them. Captain America Is Black....is not political. How Obama works out is not political.

Maybe THIS is the problem.

Ding, Ding, Ding!

We have a WINNER!

"Acceptance Of Child Pornography Next On Lefts Agenda"...is not political either.

All of those threads should be excluded because they are not political, they are flame bait. They violate the Zone 2 Rules.

What happens when they are reported?

Do they get moved into the Badlands where they belong?

Why not?

I reported it.
Is it still there?

There's our answer.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Which Negro Captain America thread was moved. There was about 5 of them.

The one I reported.

Perhaps another mod is needed to just be Thread Mover.

Ahh,because the one started by a racist remains front and center. http://www.usmessageboard.com/curre...lp-us-all-captain-america-is-now-a-negro.html

Funny thing, it isn't in politics, and it does qualify as a current event. Maybe you should learn where threads belong instead of whinging about things that offend you.