Should Ichiro make the baseball HOF?

[Jarlaxle]

STILL the all-time RBI leader.

STILL the all-time Total Base leader.

STILL the legitimate all-time Home Run leader.

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Ted Williams missed some of his prime years because he served in the war.

Ok. Sorry, but he doesn't get credited with offensive stats he never compiled.

ETA: Aaron also played in the most competitive era of MLB. And he did it while having to deal with racism, and sometimes staying in substandard hotels while his White teammates stayed in every city's best hotels.

Aaron played not quite half his career (9 of 23 seasons) after the pitcher's mound was lowered.

 

[Lewdog]

STILL the all-time RBI leader.

STILL the all-time Total Base leader.

STILL the legitimate all-time Home Run leader.

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Ted Williams missed some of his prime years because he served in the war.

Ok. Sorry, but he doesn't get credited with offensive stats he never compiled.

ETA: Aaron also played in the most competitive era of MLB. And he did it while having to deal with racism, and sometimes staying in substandard hotels while his White teammates stayed in every city's best hotels.

Wait, what? You aren't going to give Ted Williams credit for taking years off during the PRIME of his career to serve his country in the war?... Really?

"In all, Williams missed about seven seasons serving his country and parts of others dealing with nagging injuries relating to his time at war."

What if Ted Williams never left baseball to serve in the military?

SUMMARY
Career

Wins Above Replacement
A single number that presents the number of wins the player added
to the team above what a replacement player (think AAA or AAAA) would add.
Scale for a single-season: 8+ MVP Quality, 5+ All-Star Quality, 2+ Starter,
0-2 Reserve, < 0 Replacement Level
Developed by Sean Smith of BaseballProjection.com" style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0); margin: 2px 0px; font-size: 0.785714em;">WAR
123.2

AB
7706

R
1798

H
2654

Hits/At Bats
For recent years, leaders need 3.1 PA
per team game played
Bold indicates highest BA using current stats
Gold means awarded title at end of year." style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0); margin: 2px 0px; font-size: 0.785714em;">BA
.344

HR
521

RBI
1839

SB
24

(H + BB + HBP)/(At Bats + BB + HBP + SF)
For recent years, leaders need 3.1 PA
per team game played" style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0); margin: 2px 0px; font-size: 0.785714em;">OBP
.482

Total Bases/At Bats or
(1B + 2*2B + 3*3B + 4*HR)/AB
For recent years, leaders need 3.1 PA
per team game played" style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0); margin: 2px 0px; font-size: 0.785714em;">SLG
.634

On-Base + Slugging Percentages
For recent years, leaders need 3.1 PA
per team game played" style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0); margin: 2px 0px; font-size: 0.785714em;">OPS
1.116

OPS+
100*[OBP/lg OBP + SLG/lg SLG - 1]
Adjusted to the player&#x2019;s ballpark(s)" style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0); margin: 2px 0px; font-size: 0.785714em;">OPS+
190

Ted Williams Stats | Baseball-Reference.com

521 homers while missing 7 seasons... he would EASILY be the All-time HR champ had he not served.

My grandfather was actually stationed with Williams in Florida and used to work on Williams car all the time. Sadly I never met him because he died in a hunting accident when my father was a baby.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

STILL the all-time RBI leader.

STILL the all-time Total Base leader.

STILL the legitimate all-time Home Run leader.

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Ted Williams missed some of his prime years because he served in the war.

Some?? It was 5 years taken out of his prime.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

ETA: Aaron also played in the most competitive era of MLB. And he did it while having to deal with racism,.

HAHAHA. When you play the racist card, you have admitted you lost the argument. HAHA

 

[Synthaholic]

STILL the all-time RBI leader.

STILL the all-time Total Base leader.

STILL the legitimate all-time Home Run leader.

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Ted Williams missed some of his prime years because he served in the war.

Most of five seasons.

And J.R. Richards is the all-time strikeout king!

Well, he would have been if he hadn't died.

Nice argument.

 

[Synthaholic]

STILL the all-time RBI leader.

STILL the all-time Total Base leader.

STILL the legitimate all-time Home Run leader.

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Ted Williams missed some of his prime years because he served in the war.

Ok. Sorry, but he doesn't get credited with offensive stats he never compiled.

ETA: Aaron also played in the most competitive era of MLB. And he did it while having to deal with racism, and sometimes staying in substandard hotels while his White teammates stayed in every city's best hotels.

Aaron played not quite half his career (9 of 23 seasons) after the pitcher's mound was lowered.

Then all players after they changed the mound are disqualified from consideration.

Nice argument.

 

[Synthaholic]

Wait, what? You aren't going to give Ted Williams credit for taking years off during the PRIME of his career to serve his country in the war?... Really?

"In all, Williams missed about seven seasons serving his country and parts of others dealing with nagging injuries relating to his time at war."

He doesn't get credit for at bats he never took, no.

Should we award Don Mattingly ten more 200 hit seasons because of his back injury? He surely would have had them if he hadn't gotten injured.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Idk, but Pete Rose should!

You ever done a Pete Rose dive? That's serious business!

 

[Lewdog]

Wait, what? You aren't going to give Ted Williams credit for taking years off during the PRIME of his career to serve his country in the war?... Really?

"In all, Williams missed about seven seasons serving his country and parts of others dealing with nagging injuries relating to his time at war."

He doesn't get credit for at bats he never took, no.

Should we award Don Mattingly ten more 200 hit seasons because of his back injury? He surely would have had them if he hadn't gotten injured.

Getting injured playing the game isn't the same as volunteering during a WAR to serve your country.

Just like JR Richard being a coke addict isn't the same as being a pilot in a WAR.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

Ted Williams missed some of his prime years because he served in the war.Most of five seasons.

And J.R. Richards is the all-time strikeout king!
Well, he would have been if he hadn't died.

Military service is not at all the same as injuries. Injuries are in a sense, the player's fault. His body is not tough enough. But forced military service is NOT the player's fault. THINK

 

[ShootSpeeders]

Getting injured playing the game isn't the same as volunteering during a WAR to serve your country.

.

Ted didn't really volunteer for WW2. He knew he would have been drafted.

As for Korea, ted was a member of the Marine Corps reserves and was called up.

 

[Lewdog]

Getting injured playing the game isn't the same as volunteering during a WAR to serve your country.

.

Ted didn't really volunteer for WW2. He knew he would have been drafted.

As for Korea, ted was a member of the Marine Corps reserves and was called up.

He got a hardship deferral because he was his mother's lone caretaker... then he caught flak for it, so he volunteered.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

He got a hardship deferral because he was his mother's lone caretaker... then he caught flak for it, so he volunteered.

He would have been drafted eventually and everyone knows it. THINK

 

[Lewdog]

He got a hardship deferral because he was his mother's lone caretaker... then he caught flak for it, so he volunteered.

He would have been drafted eventually and everyone knows it. THINK

No... he was the soul caretaker for his mother, that wasn't going to change.

 

[Jarlaxle]

STILL the all-time RBI leader.

STILL the all-time Total Base leader.

STILL the legitimate all-time Home Run leader.

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Ted Williams missed some of his prime years because he served in the war.

Ok. Sorry, but he doesn't get credited with offensive stats he never compiled.

ETA: Aaron also played in the most competitive era of MLB. And he did it while having to deal with racism, and sometimes staying in substandard hotels while his White teammates stayed in every city's best hotels.

Aaron played not quite half his career (9 of 23 seasons) after the pitcher's mound was lowered.

Then all players after they changed the mound are disqualified from consideration.

Nice argument.

Stop responding to the voices in your head.

 

[GHook93]

He probably will since he'll get the racist vote that awards all non-whites bonus points, but he's not that good. He has 3000 hits and a good BA but his walk numbers and HR numbers are very low. Just a slightly better than average hitter really. A good outfielder and a good base runner.

He's 44 now and had another poor year in 2017 and it's time to quit though he says he wants to play in 2018!!. I say no HOF for the little nip.

Are you fucking kidding?

He had 10 straight seasons of 200+ hits (the most ever), holds the record of 262 hits in a season, .312 BA, 3k career hits (which was amazing given how late he started his ML career), 1400 runs, 700 SB, 10 allstars (all deserved), ROY, 1 MVP, 10 gold gloves and 3 Silver sluggers.

Ichiro is right behind Rickey Henderson and Pete Rose as the best leadoff hitter.


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[ShootSpeeders]

He had 10 straight seasons of 200+ hits (the most ever), holds the record of 262 hits in a season, .312 BA, 3k career hits (which was amazing given how late he started his ML career), 1400 runs, 700 SB, 10 allstars (all deserved), ROY, 1 MVP, 10 gold gloves and 3 Silver sluggers.

Ichiro is right behind Rickey Henderson and Pete Rose as the best leadoff hitter.

I would probably rate ichy above rose but that's not saying much. Henderson was truly great and ichy is well behind him.

 

[Jarlaxle]

You are a moron. Kill yourself.

 

[GHook93]

He had 10 straight seasons of 200+ hits (the most ever), holds the record of 262 hits in a season, .312 BA, 3k career hits (which was amazing given how late he started his ML career), 1400 runs, 700 SB, 10 allstars (all deserved), ROY, 1 MVP, 10 gold gloves and 3 Silver sluggers.

Ichiro is right behind Rickey Henderson and Pete Rose as the best leadoff hitter.

I would probably rate ichy above rose but that's not saying much. Henderson was truly great and ichy is well behind him.

Rating Ichiro higher than Rose? The all time hit leader? He had 4K and they say if you get 3k hits your a HOFer! He lead the Big Red Machine! He was truly awesome.

I am not sure your a baseball fan!


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[GHook93]

He has 3000 hits as a Major Leaguer and he entered the league late, having massive years in Japan. It's safe to say if he had spent his younger years in the MLB, he would be a first ballot.

I imagine he will get in.

He is first ballot now. If he came out earlier, he would have foresure surpassed Rose’s hit total!


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