Should Gov. Walker be Recalled?

[Foxfyre]

The unions agreed to the cuts proposed by Walker, but they wanted to RETAIN their collective bargaining rights.

They should be allowed to keep them. Walker is the one that started this shit storm because he gave massive tax breaks to corporations.

Now, he's trying to bust the unions.

Wanna know why other GOP governors aren't doing the same? They know he's gonna fail.

The governor has agreed to the union keeping collective bargaining rights for wages.

He is opposing collective bargaining rights that put future administrations and the tax payers--you know those who have no place at the bargaining table--on the hook for benefits they may not have the money to pay. Situations like the current administration faces.

If the unions were honest they would be admitting that is the case instead of promoting the idea to the gullible that the governor wants to strip them of all collective bargaining rights.

So......give me ANY good reason that one administration should EVER be able to obligate future administrations and taxpayers in such a way that future administrations cannot fix the problems that have been created?

 

[JFK_USA]

There's no "right" of collective bargaining.

The *privilege* was extended by the state...It only follows that it may be taken away.

On top if that, the only part of collective bargaining being taken away is that involving benefits, not pay.

so you don't believe in contracted for rights either?

a contract can be changed
can it not?

btw, if it cant, then how come athletes get to renegotiate contracts?

But what about Bailed out wall street firms executives getting bonuses? Those are contractually obligated and they used taxpayer money.

Republican party: Give to the rich and fuck the middle class.

 

[DiveCon]

so you don't believe in contracted for rights either?

a contract can be changed
can it not?

btw, if it cant, then how come athletes get to renegotiate contracts?

But what about Bailed out wall street firms executives getting bonuses? Those are contractually obligated and they used taxpayer money.

Republican party: Give to the rich and fuck the middle class.

hey, there were many democrats involved in that and MOST republicans opposed it, now i dont mean elected republicans, but the general population of republicans
its why they got their asses handed to them in 2008

 

[Oddball]

But what about Bailed out wall street firms executives getting bonuses? Those are contractually obligated and they used taxpayer money.

Republican party: Give to the rich and fuck the middle class.

Another red herring...Both Divey and I were against the bailouts (and I'm certainly no republican), which made no stipulations as to how the CEOs and other officers of the banks may or may not be compensated.

Try again.

 

[R.D.]

so you don't believe in contracted for rights either?

a contract can be changed
can it not?

btw, if it cant, then how come athletes get to renegotiate contracts?

But what about Bailed out wall street firms executives getting bonuses? Those are contractually obligated and they used taxpayer money.

Republican party: Give to the rich and fuck the middle class.

Lots of conservatives were against the bailouts...
"Some companies that received bailout money will continue to pay their executives large sums, but those are the ones that already have paid the government back". The administration pay czar Kenneth Feinberg

 

[Stephanie]

i simply see this as a contract dispute. the unions have a contract in place with the state. the state no longer likes that contract, so they need to negotiate a new one. instead walker simply wants to take away their ability to negotiate for the whole, and that is wrong.

Did Obama's federal pay freeze lead you to make polls too?

Wonder why he didn't start a poll about recalling the 14 derelict demonRats?

or Recalling the Obama...he and his comrades in Arms did everything they passed AGAINST THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE

 

[Jarhead]

Just because the scream the loudest does not make them the majority.

56% isn't a majority? Boy Republican math is funny.

Actually, liberal polls are funny.

According to a poll that was conducted by a firm that admits it was contracted to take the poll for a labor union....

of the 1.1 million voters that voted for Barrett,(Walkers opponent)...approximately 300,000 of them would NOT want a recall.

Sadly, the entity that contracted out for the poll, listed the results with a spin...and said that 1 million voters would want a recall....

And people like yopu who refuse to read the fine print of the polls run around saying....lookie here...lookie here.

Learn how to read polls....THEN criticize your adveraries in a debate.

 

[Foxfyre]

The government should not be giving money to ANY special interest group including any corporation. It isn't the corporation's fault if they do, but we should be voting out of office those who are using OUR money in that way.

Otherwise, the corporation is bargaining with it's own money and not the money of the tax payer who had no place at the table. People who don't trust the corporation to do that well won't invest in it but that is their prerogative to do or not to do as they choose.

The taxpayer doesn't have a choice to opt out though. Which is why no administration should obligate that taxpayer beyond what his/her elected representatives vote to do.

 

[DiveCon]

Just because the scream the loudest does not make them the majority.

56% isn't a majority? Boy Republican math is funny.

Actually, liberal polls are funny.

According to a poll that was conducted by a firm that admits it was contracted to take the poll for a labor union....

of the 1.1 million voters that voted for Barrett,(Walkers opponent)...approximately 300,000 of them would NOT want a recall.

Sadly, the entity that contracted out for the poll, listed the results with a spin...and said that 1 million voters would want a recall....

And people like yopu who refuse to read the fine print of the polls run around saying....lookie here...lookie here.

Learn how to read polls....THEN criticize your adveraries in a debate.

LOL so that poll only polls Walkers political opponants supporters????

 

[Defiant1]

With all the protest going on in WI, and Walker not willing to negotiate his hardline stance, do you think he will be recalled?

Why? Does his gas pedal stick?

 

[jgarden]

There's no "right" of collective bargaining.

The *privilege* was extended by the state...It only follows that it may be taken away.

On top if that, the only part of collective bargaining being taken away is that involving benefits, not pay.

when the state agreed to give them collective bargaining "rights" its became a given right. (not the same as an inalienable right) thats what i meant by right.

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Article 23

(1) Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
(2) Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.
(3) Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.
(4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.

G.A. res. 217A (III), U.N. Doc A/810 at 71 (1948)
Adopted on December 10, 1948
by the General Assembly of the United Nations (without dissent)

http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml

 

[Jarhead]

56% isn't a majority? Boy Republican math is funny.

Actually, liberal polls are funny.

According to a poll that was conducted by a firm that admits it was contracted to take the poll for a labor union....

of the 1.1 million voters that voted for Barrett,(Walkers opponent)...approximately 300,000 of them would NOT want a recall.

Sadly, the entity that contracted out for the poll, listed the results with a spin...and said that 1 million voters would want a recall....

And people like yopu who refuse to read the fine print of the polls run around saying....lookie here...lookie here.

Learn how to read polls....THEN criticize your adveraries in a debate.

LOL so that poll only polls Walkers political opponants supporters????

yes...it took me time to find it....but I found it in the section called "findings"...paragraph 4...

And when you read it it clearly indicates that all those polled either voted democratic or did not vote but if they did it would have been for a democrat (wisconsin is not a party registration state).

So when yoiu do the math....there are 3.5 million voters....
2.18 million voted.....1.13 for Walker and 1.05 million for Barrett.

So when you do the math...about 300,000 who voted for Barrett did NOT want a recall!

Yes....I like to understand a poll before I debate the validity.

 

[Foxfyre]

There's no "right" of collective bargaining.

The *privilege* was extended by the state...It only follows that it may be taken away.

On top if that, the only part of collective bargaining being taken away is that involving benefits, not pay.

when the state agreed to give them collective bargaining "rights" its became a given right. (not the same as an inalienable right) thats what i meant by right.

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Article 23

(1) Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
(2) Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.
(3) Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.
(4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights

But there is no human right allowing the union to force those who had no part in collective bargaining to pay the consequences for that.

 

[DiveCon]

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Article 23

(1) Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
(2) Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.
(3) Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.
(4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights

But there is no human right allowing the union to force those who had no part in collective bargaining to pay the consequences for that.

dont bother with facts for him, he's another pathetic moron

 

[Charles_Main]

Just because the scream the loudest does not make them the majority.

56% isn't a majority? Boy Republican math is funny.

Funny so now 56% of people in wis are in the teacher union. No wonder they have budget problems.

 

[DiveCon]

Just because the scream the loudest does not make them the majority.

56% isn't a majority? Boy Republican math is funny.

Funny so now 56% of people in wis are in the teacher union. No wonder they have budget problems.

notice they never link to these polls and actually have the demographics available'

 

[Jarhead]

56% isn't a majority? Boy Republican math is funny.

Funny so now 56% of people in wis are in the teacher union. No wonder they have budget problems.

notice they never link to these polls and actually have the demographics available'

I have found a rule of thumb as it pertains to polls...

If you do not see the demographics at first glance?

It gives you MORE reason to dig and find them.

 

[M14 Shooter]

There's no "right" of collective bargaining.

The *privilege* was extended by the state...It only follows that it may be taken away.

On top if that, the only part of collective bargaining being taken away is that involving benefits, not pay.

when the state agreed to give them collective bargaining "rights" its became a given right.

Like he said - the privilege was extended by the state.

 

[M14 Shooter]

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Article 23

(1) Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
(2) Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.
(3) Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.
(4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.

G.A. res. 217A (III), U.N. Doc A/810 at 71 (1948)
Adopted on December 10, 1948
by the General Assembly of the United Nations (without dissent)

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights

You know that in terms of US law, this is meaningless.
Right?

 

[Foxfyre]

Funny so now 56% of people in wis are in the teacher union. No wonder they have budget problems.

notice they never link to these polls and actually have the demographics available'

I have found a rule of thumb as it pertains to polls...

If you do not see the demographics at first glance?

It gives you MORE reason to dig and find them.

Not me. I just consider material copy and pasted without link or explanation to be blowing smoke from people who don't give a damn about whether it is defensible or not. They just hope the ignorant and gullible will swallow it whole and applaud them for their brilliance.

(Sorry. I'm grumpy today. But it is absurd to post stuff with no link or disclaimer and leave it to others to go look for the source.)