Should Gov. Walker be Recalled?

[grunt11b]

It should be clear by now that Wisconsin needs a leader who should be attempting to provide statesmanship and concensus during this difficult time. Refusing to negotiate and ruling by decree has proven to be counterproductive thusfar.

We kinda thought the same thing about Obama during the whole healthcare fiasco. Was he a statesmen when it was shown that over 70% of Americans did not like the healthcare bill? No, he signed it into law anyways.
Also, is it statesmanlike to just take off into another state to avoid a vote in Wisconsin, knowing that your constituents elected you to vote, regardless of the outcome? I think not, you dirty little shits need the lesson on statesmanship, not the Republicans.

 

[jgarden]

when the state agreed to give them collective bargaining "rights" its became a given right. (not the same as an inalienable right) thats what i meant by right.

The US voted in favor of adopting this Declaration in 1948 and is therefore on record as supporting the principle that, "Everyone has the the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests" is a ubiversal right.

"Collective bargaining" is a mechanism by which trade unions provide "protection" for the "interests" of their members. How ironic that Republicans are now instrumental in depriving the citizens in their own country of the same "human rights" that US Administrations have been encouraging other nations to adopt.

Governor Walker and the People's Republic of Wisconsin simply do not have the legal or moral authority to overrule an international commitment that the US government signed 63 years ago.

Article 30.

* Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.

Translation: If we suddenly decide that the aforementioned "rights" don't count, then they don't....Deal with it.


Moreover, the UN has no jurisdiction over American law.

Fail.

The US wasn't forced to sign the UN Declaration of Human Rights in 1948 - it could have abstained like all Soviet Bloc states [i.e., Byelorussia, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Ukraine and The USSR], Yugoslavia, South Africa and Saudi Arabia.

Is that the "select group" that America wants to be identified with when it comes to "human rights?"

Of couse the United Nations can't forced the US to comply, but it certainly undermines America's moral authority and commitment to promoting human rights around the world!

If the US government won't commit to upholding something as basic as The UN Declaration of Human Rights that it signed, then what's America's signature worth on any international agreement?

 

[JimH52]

He should be awarded the Nobel Peace prize.

Yeah, piece of Dung

 

[grunt11b]

When the Dems had the numbers in Congress, they ran roughshod over America, regardless of what we thought about it. If that is what you call statesmanship you can take it and ram it directly up your 4th point of contact. We will take back the senate and the white house in 2012, and you better be expecting more changes like this, because it WILL happen. The Progressive movement is a dying movement in this country, people like me will make sure of that.

 

[grunt11b]

The US voted in favor of adopting this Declaration in 1948 and is therefore on record as supporting the principle that, "Everyone has the the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests" is a ubiversal right.

"Collective bargaining" is a mechanism by which trade unions provide "protection" for the "interests" of their members. How ironic that Republicans are now instrumental in depriving the citizens in their own country of the same "human rights" that US Administrations have been encouraging other nations to adopt.

Governor Walker and the People's Republic of Wisconsin simply do not have the legal or moral authority to overrule an international commitment that the US government signed 63 years ago.

Article 30.

* Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.

Translation: If we suddenly decide that the aforementioned "rights" don't count, then they don't....Deal with it.


Moreover, the UN has no jurisdiction over American law.

Fail.

The US wasn't forced to sign the UN Declaration of Human Rights, it could have abstained like

The United Nations can't forced the US to comply, but it certainly undermines America's moral authority and commitmrnt to promoting human rights.

Only if we as individuals give up our 10th Amendment sovereignty rights, which that isn't going to happen "Except for maybe in California or Massachusetts".
The UN can take it and pound sand with it, right in there 4th point of contact. We wont have it here, it's not going to happen, they can keep there noses in Europe where they belong, because we as citizens will refuse to allow them any type of decisions on our childrens future and the future of this country. Aint gonna happen.

 

[martybegan]

The US voted in favor of adopting this Declaration in 1948 and is therefore on record as supporting the principle that, "Everyone has the the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests" is a ubiversal right.

"Collective bargaining" is a mechanism by which trade unions provide "protection" for the "interests" of their members. How ironic that Republicans are now instrumental in depriving the citizens in their own country of the same "human rights" that US Administrations have been encouraging other nations to adopt.

Governor Walker and the People's Republic of Wisconsin simply do not have the legal or moral authority to overrule an international commitment that the US government signed 63 years ago.

Article 30.

* Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.

Translation: If we suddenly decide that the aforementioned "rights" don't count, then they don't....Deal with it.


Moreover, the UN has no jurisdiction over American law.

Fail.

The US wasn't forced to sign the UN Declaration of Human Rights, it could have abstained like

The United Nations can't forced the US to comply, but it certainly undermines America's moral authority and commitmrnt to promoting human rights.

While the declaration says that the people have the right to form unions, it does not force the governments to listen or negotiate with them.

 

[jgarden]

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Article 23

..... (4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.

The "right to form and to join trade unions" is a means to an end - the end being "the protection of his interests."

For Governor Walker to arbitrarily decide which public sector unions he will/will not negotiate with means "the right to form and to join trade unions" serves no practical purpose.

To discrimminate against some public sector unions and not others is a basic violation of international "human rights" and the "civil rights" of US citizens!

 

[Foxfyre]

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Article 23

..... (4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.

The "right to form and to join trade unions" is a means to an end - the end being "the protection of his interests."

For Governor Walker to arbitrarily decide which public sector unions he will/will not negotiate with means "the right to form and to join trade unions" serves no practical purpose.

To discrimminate against some public sector unions and not others is a basic violation of international "human rights" and the "civil rights" of US citizens!

The governor can deal with only such unions as are within his authority. Are you suggesting he is wanting to strip some public sector benefits from the collective bargaining table from some unions within his juridiction and not all? Could you clarify?

 

[Foxfyre]

And to whoever earlier suggested that other governors won't attempt what Walker is doing, such attempts are underway in at least four other states.

This just in from Ohio:

The bill is SB5, and it will limit future collective bargaining for Ohio state employees to base salary: it passed the Ohio Senate with a one-vote margin (all hail the power of having a strong enough majority to allow you breathing room: elections matter, folks*). The bill now goes to the House, where the GOP has a 59-40 advantage: and a simple majority constitutes a quorum in the Ohio legislature, which means that the bill will likewise almost certainly pass there with sufficient margin to permit a defection or two. Governor Kasich will of course sign the bill once it is law.
Collective bargaining reform passes Ohio Senate. | RedState

 

[Nosmo King]

And to whoever earlier suggested that other governors won't attempt what Walker is doing, such attempts are underway in at least four other states.

This just in from Ohio:

The bill is SB5, and it will limit future collective bargaining for Ohio state employees to base salary: it passed the Ohio Senate with a one-vote margin (all hail the power of having a strong enough majority to allow you breathing room: elections matter, folks*). The bill now goes to the House, where the GOP has a 59-40 advantage: and a simple majority constitutes a quorum in the Ohio legislature, which means that the bill will likewise almost certainly pass there with sufficient margin to permit a defection or two. Governor Kasich will of course sign the bill once it is law.
Collective bargaining reform passes Ohio Senate. | RedState

There are already referendum petitions. This will be a ballot issue in November. Thank God!

 

[Provocateur]

With all the protest going on in WI, and Walker not willing to negotiate his hardline stance, do you think he will be recalled?

You mean in a year?

 

[American I Am]

With all the protest going on in WI, and Walker not willing to negotiate his hardline stance, do you think he will be recalled?

Nah, but maybe just "layed" off.

 

[The T]

And to whoever earlier suggested that other governors won't attempt what Walker is doing, such attempts are underway in at least four other states.

This just in from Ohio:

The bill is SB5, and it will limit future collective bargaining for Ohio state employees to base salary: it passed the Ohio Senate with a one-vote margin (all hail the power of having a strong enough majority to allow you breathing room: elections matter, folks*). The bill now goes to the House, where the GOP has a 59-40 advantage: and a simple majority constitutes a quorum in the Ohio legislature, which means that the bill will likewise almost certainly pass there with sufficient margin to permit a defection or two. Governor Kasich will of course sign the bill once it is law.
Collective bargaining reform passes Ohio Senate. | RedState

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