Setting the living wage

[shintao]

Good job answering the question.

And no I was not deprived. I answered your question, now answer mine

Wages are not the only way to reward a skilled worker. And there is nothing to say a worker cannot be fired for poor performance. It is a bosses job to recognize the problems and find solutions. It happens all the time regardless of the work system, as you should know.

So its a boss's job to recognize the problems and find solutions but its not their job to set wages according to skill level and the company's profitability?

Have you ever read the book "The Giver"? If not you should.

Nope, the skill levels will all be standardized, similar to the General Schedule, or GS pay scale. There is an up, and you are rewarded by your performance, but it is only one way to reward a worker. A corporation could send you on an all paid family vacation to the Caribbean for two weeks. An extra day off with pay. A big screen TV. Tickets for 4 to some football game & $200. to spend. The best producer each month gets the cheese. Weekend BQs & getting workers together off time. Sports oriented lunch breaks of bike riding, sports, competitions, etc. Work can get done & still have fun & less stress.

You get advanced as you learn every step of a job & its duties, so when you reach the top you know everything there is to know about that corporation. Some people have to stay longer at certain steps than others do.

Sometime this summer I will throw a party for all the people who assist me in buying real estate (realators, mortgage, bank personnel), and among the guests will be my three maids, two gardeners and the pool boy. I treat my workers like I treat my business associates. I see them as family, and when you have that kind of relationship, when they work for me I know they are giving me their best.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

One of the advantages of a socialist system is it's ability to be static and keep a balance across the entire social system from worker to product to retired, etc. There are few ripples, and therefore few adjustments to be made, maybe minor tinkering. Citizens are more confident and assured of an ongoing balance from birth to the grave.

Americans on the other hand live in a world of chaos, depressions, rising prices, falling wages, insecurities of jobs & retirements & health, and cost increases. The turmoil is more noticable when looking at the forest from outside the trees.

We would be wise to turn to socialism for some of our systems, like costs & benefits of labor. We have a DOT system that outlines all employment & dutys, and could also be integrated with wage rates to create a standarized cost of living in America. By controlling wages & salarys, we could fix food & living expenses to a living wage. Everything else would fall in line with the standard and become static.

In the German system for example product prices are about the same. The difference is in the service given with the product, and the duribility of the product. It is quality over quanity. In America products are chaotically priced and sold, and made to be replaced, even going so far as to sell you extended warrantys against the coming failure of the product. We are quanity over quality.

We can see the quality work if we turn back time to the 1920s. Look at the ornate homes, jewelry, furniture, cars, etc. Go have a look at the Hummer, a plastic piece of junk riding on the name for sales. At least a Pendelton shirt has earned the name of quality.

Socialism, because it has worked so well every time we tried it.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

It is not hard to do, Australia has much lower unemployment levels the the USA, it is the only developed country that suffered no recession during the Global Financial Crises, and yet our minimum wages are higher than the USA, you can live in honorable poverty on them, by which I mean you will have everything you need, not everything you will want.

You really should learn about the new invention known as the Internet.

Australia slashes immigration as recession looms - Australasia, World - The Independent

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I am just kicking the idea around for stabilizing our system. I think the end results would be less layoffs, living wages, and standardizing real estate and other markets so people could have affordable housing, raise a family where one person is in the home. Maybe it would return the idea of

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Don't get me wrong. I don't think that socialism is immoral or anything, but if we are able to learn anything from these discussion boards, it is how selfish people can really be, and those of such a persuasion will either passively (through laziness) or actively (through black market activity, bribery, etc) subvert such a system. Thus a certain degree of coercion is necessary, a certain amount of inequality will continue to exist, or--as history illustrates graphically--both

Seems to me that capitalism breeds corruption, greed, and a shitty work attitude. I don't see that among socialists, I think because they pull together for the better good of themselves and their country. These are wired elements that underlie their work ethic. It can be achieved in the American worker, but only to the corporate level, where beyond that it breaks up. He goes home insecure and to the unknowns. ie. will I have a job tomorrow, can I afford a vacation, should I save more for retirement, do I need to buy more medical coverage, the dental braces & bills, and college, etc. The socialist is showered in his benefits, he sees them all the time, and he knows the unknown, he is confident and knows where he will be in retirement. He doesn't worry about his family's major needs like Americans. Ie medical, education, retirement, job security. He even gets free cable TV, food & rent prices are stable. And he is rested at 32 hour work weeks, mandatory paid vacations & twice as many paid holidays. He has bullet trains wisk him far off to weekend get aways.

Capitalism does not breed anything, people are corrupt, greedy, and lazy. What cpitilism does is gove people the most incentive to work for profit, while socialism simply allows them to be lazy, and let the corruption and greedy rise to the top.

 

[Zander]

Socialism fails. Always. It is just a matter of time. I agree that Capitalism isn't perfect, it is just the best system we've found.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

So if I'm really good skilled laborer and "fuck face" next to me sucks donkey dick, then why should he make the same as me?

Because fucksticks like Shittowel say so... that's why.

 

[liebuster]

So if I'm really good skilled laborer and "fuck face" next to me sucks donkey dick, then why should he make the same as me?

Because fucksticks like Shittowel say so... that's why.

Lets make sure someone like Shittowel never gets into a position to say so........again.

 

[Meister]

Socialism adds such incentive to the work force. Capitalism is so evil...

 

[xsited1]

Fascism and Socialism have common roots in central economic planning and the power of the state over the individual. Abandonment of individualism, classic liberalism, and freedom inevitably leads to oppression and tyranny. Case closed.

Next.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Why would someone who works twice as hard want to exist in a system where the person who fails to produce be rewarded the same?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Why would we EVER hold sub-mediocrity up to greatness? It's totally absurd.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Wages are not the only way to reward a skilled worker. And there is nothing to say a worker cannot be fired for poor performance. It is a bosses job to recognize the problems and find solutions. It happens all the time regardless of the work system, as you should know.

So its a boss's job to recognize the problems and find solutions but its not their job to set wages according to skill level and the company's profitability?

Have you ever read the book "The Giver"? If not you should.

Nope, the skill levels will all be standardized, similar to the General Schedule, or GS pay scale. There is an up, and you are rewarded by your performance, but it is only one way to reward a worker. A corporation could send you on an all paid family vacation to the Caribbean for two weeks. An extra day off with pay. A big screen TV. Tickets for 4 to some football game & $200. to spend. The best producer each month gets the cheese. Weekend BQs & getting workers together off time. Sports oriented lunch breaks of bike riding, sports, competitions, etc. Work can get done & still have fun & less stress.

You get advanced as you learn every step of a job & its duties, so when you reach the top you know everything there is to know about that corporation. Some people have to stay longer at certain steps than others do.

Sometime this summer I will throw a party for all the people who assist me in buying real estate (realators, mortgage, bank personnel), and among the guests will be my three maids, two gardeners and the pool boy. I treat my workers like I treat my business associates. I see them as family, and when you have that kind of relationship, when they work for me I know they are giving me their best.

An idiot and a liar... awesome combo.

 

[Charles_Main]

One of the advantages of a socialist system is it's ability to be static and keep a balance across the entire social system from worker to product to retired, etc. There are few ripples, and therefore few adjustments to be made, maybe minor tinkering. Citizens are more confident and assured of an ongoing balance from birth to the grave.

Americans on the other hand live in a world of chaos, depressions, rising prices, falling wages, insecurities of jobs & retirements & health, and cost increases. The turmoil is more noticable when looking at the forest from outside the trees.

We would be wise to turn to socialism for some of our systems, like costs & benefits of labor. We have a DOT system that outlines all employment & dutys, and could also be integrated with wage rates to create a standarized cost of living in America. By controlling wages & salarys, we could fix food & living expenses to a living wage. Everything else would fall in line with the standard and become static.

In the German system for example product prices are about the same. The difference is in the service given with the product, and the duribility of the product. It is quality over quanity. In America products are chaotically priced and sold, and made to be replaced, even going so far as to sell you extended warrantys against the coming failure of the product. We are quanity over quality.

We can see the quality work if we turn back time to the 1920s. Look at the ornate homes, jewelry, furniture, cars, etc. Go have a look at the Hummer, a plastic piece of junk riding on the name for sales. At least a Pendelton shirt has earned the name of quality.

Setting a living wage? Who sets it? Who decides?

Sounds like more Big Government BS to me.

Let the market decide.

 

[percysunshine]

One of the advantages of a socialist system is it's ...

...ability to screw everybody at the same time.

 

[Charles_Main]

One of the advantages of a socialist system is it's ...

...ability to screw everybody at the same time.

A wise man once said, Capitalism fails to make everyone Equally rich, But Socially Excels at making everyone equally Poor.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

It's amazint to me that people even entertain the idea to yearn for socialism. It's just an average way of existing. Really, that's pitiful.

 

[California Girl]

So Europe hasn't been affected by the recession? No countries have been shedding jobs, crushing under the weight of debt, a bloated public sector that, for years, has hidden unemployment figures?

Guess again, mutley. You are so wrong, it is laughable.

 

[Wicked Jester]

It's amazint to me that people even entertain the idea to yearn for socialism. It's just an average way of existing. Really, that's pitiful.

No shit!

I lived in France for two years attending culinary school. The french are some of the most miserable and unhappy people you could ever meet. And why is that?.......SOCIALISM!

The main goal of those I met at Le Cordon Bleu was to get their asses over to the states where they could make a decent living, and reap the rewards of their talents.

Socialism is for those who don't desire individuality, or personal responsiblity.

 

[Avatar4321]

Socialism has never and will never work. It only ends in corruption, misery, and death.

 

[Avatar4321]

It's amazint to me that people even entertain the idea to yearn for socialism. It's just an average way of existing. Really, that's pitiful.

Average? I think its rather subhuman.