Setting the living wage

[Avatar4321]

One of the advantages of a socialist system is it's ...

...ability to screw everybody at the same time.

Except those that run the system. They somehow get more money and power than everyone else.

Socialism creates a society of class. Two classes. The party class and the poor.

 

[shintao]

So its a boss's job to recognize the problems and find solutions but its not their job to set wages according to skill level and the company's profitability?

Have you ever read the book "The Giver"? If not you should.

Nope, the skill levels will all be standardized, similar to the General Schedule, or GS pay scale. There is an up, and you are rewarded by your performance, but it is only one way to reward a worker. A corporation could send you on an all paid family vacation to the Caribbean for two weeks. An extra day off with pay. A big screen TV. Tickets for 4 to some football game & $200. to spend. The best producer each month gets the cheese. Weekend BQs & getting workers together off time. Sports oriented lunch breaks of bike riding, sports, competitions, etc. Work can get done & still have fun & less stress.

You get advanced as you learn every step of a job & its duties, so when you reach the top you know everything there is to know about that corporation. Some people have to stay longer at certain steps than others do.

Sometime this summer I will throw a party for all the people who assist me in buying real estate (realators, mortgage, bank personnel), and among the guests will be my three maids, two gardeners and the pool boy. I treat my workers like I treat my business associates. I see them as family, and when you have that kind of relationship, when they work for me I know they are giving me their best.

An idiot and a liar... awesome combo.

A cock sucker & ball washer....Keep sucking imbecile.

 

[shintao]

One of the advantages of a socialist system is it's ability to be static and keep a balance across the entire social system from worker to product to retired, etc. There are few ripples, and therefore few adjustments to be made, maybe minor tinkering. Citizens are more confident and assured of an ongoing balance from birth to the grave.

Americans on the other hand live in a world of chaos, depressions, rising prices, falling wages, insecurities of jobs & retirements & health, and cost increases. The turmoil is more noticable when looking at the forest from outside the trees.

We would be wise to turn to socialism for some of our systems, like costs & benefits of labor. We have a DOT system that outlines all employment & dutys, and could also be integrated with wage rates to create a standarized cost of living in America. By controlling wages & salarys, we could fix food & living expenses to a living wage. Everything else would fall in line with the standard and become static.

In the German system for example product prices are about the same. The difference is in the service given with the product, and the duribility of the product. It is quality over quanity. In America products are chaotically priced and sold, and made to be replaced, even going so far as to sell you extended warrantys against the coming failure of the product. We are quanity over quality.

We can see the quality work if we turn back time to the 1920s. Look at the ornate homes, jewelry, furniture, cars, etc. Go have a look at the Hummer, a plastic piece of junk riding on the name for sales. At least a Pendelton shirt has earned the name of quality.

Setting a living wage? Who sets it? Who decides?

Sounds like more Big Government BS to me.

Let the market decide.

I suppose the final arbitrator would be the federal government who would establish the wage rates The market has shown itself incapable of the task, thus the chaos to inequalities that is occurring in Wisconsin.

 

[shintao]

Socialism has never and will never work. It only ends in corruption, misery, and death.

Keep lying to yourself Avatar.

 

[shintao]

One of the advantages of a socialist system is it's ...

...ability to screw everybody at the same time.

Very good Percy, as it should be. You are less likely to screw someone over if it is also going to occur to yourself.

 

[shintao]

Why would someone who works twice as hard want to exist in a system where the person who fails to produce be rewarded the same?

Why do you do it in the American system LBT? I think it is a good question. Why should a private teacher make less than a public teacher. When you figure it out, let me know.

 

[shintao]

Fascism and Socialism have common roots in central economic planning and the power of the state over the individual. Abandonment of individualism, classic liberalism, and freedom inevitably leads to oppression and tyranny. Case closed.

Next.

LMAO! And what did you say your alternative was doing?? LOL!!!

 

[shintao]

So if I'm really good skilled laborer and "fuck face" next to me sucks donkey dick, then why should he make the same as me?

Because fucksticks like Shittowel say so... that's why.

Don't worry Soggy the cock sucking ball washer will reward you for inequality.

 

[shintao]

Don't get me wrong. I don't think that socialism is immoral or anything, but if we are able to learn anything from these discussion boards, it is how selfish people can really be, and those of such a persuasion will either passively (through laziness) or actively (through black market activity, bribery, etc) subvert such a system. Thus a certain degree of coercion is necessary, a certain amount of inequality will continue to exist, or--as history illustrates graphically--both

Seems to me that capitalism breeds corruption, greed, and a shitty work attitude. I don't see that among socialists, I think because they pull together for the better good of themselves and their country. These are wired elements that underlie their work ethic. It can be achieved in the American worker, but only to the corporate level, where beyond that it breaks up. He goes home insecure and to the unknowns. ie. will I have a job tomorrow, can I afford a vacation, should I save more for retirement, do I need to buy more medical coverage, the dental braces & bills, and college, etc. The socialist is showered in his benefits, he sees them all the time, and he knows the unknown, he is confident and knows where he will be in retirement. He doesn't worry about his family's major needs like Americans. Ie medical, education, retirement, job security. He even gets free cable TV, food & rent prices are stable. And he is rested at 32 hour work weeks, mandatory paid vacations & twice as many paid holidays. He has bullet trains wisk him far off to weekend get aways.

Capitalism does not breed anything, people are corrupt, greedy, and lazy. What cpitilism does is gove people the most incentive to work for profit, while socialism simply allows them to be lazy, and let the corruption and greedy rise to the top.

That can't be, as you just stated people are corrupt, so capitalism is corrupt, greedy & lazy.

 

[shintao]

Socialism fails. Always. It is just a matter of time. I agree that Capitalism isn't perfect, it is just the best system we've found.

Tell that to European Union, who by the way has passed us up and left us shitting in our own shit.

 

[shintao]

Socialism adds such incentive to the work force. Capitalism is so evil...

You finally figured it out.

 

[shintao]

Last time I checked Socialism didn't pay a living wage, it gave most people enough to not die, but not all.

Then you haven't checked the European Union lately, or looked at your national state of affairs.

 

[auditor0007]

One of the advantages of a socialist system is it's ability to be static and keep a balance across the entire social system from worker to product to retired, etc. There are few ripples, and therefore few adjustments to be made, maybe minor tinkering. Citizens are more confident and assured of an ongoing balance from birth to the grave.

Americans on the other hand live in a world of chaos, depressions, rising prices, falling wages, insecurities of jobs & retirements & health, and cost increases. The turmoil is more noticable when looking at the forest from outside the trees.

We would be wise to turn to socialism for some of our systems, like costs & benefits of labor. We have a DOT system that outlines all employment & dutys, and could also be integrated with wage rates to create a standarized cost of living in America. By controlling wages & salarys, we could fix food & living expenses to a living wage. Everything else would fall in line with the standard and become static.

In the German system for example product prices are about the same. The difference is in the service given with the product, and the duribility of the product. It is quality over quanity. In America products are chaotically priced and sold, and made to be replaced, even going so far as to sell you extended warrantys against the coming failure of the product. We are quanity over quality.

We can see the quality work if we turn back time to the 1920s. Look at the ornate homes, jewelry, furniture, cars, etc. Go have a look at the Hummer, a plastic piece of junk riding on the name for sales. At least a Pendelton shirt has earned the name of quality.

Okay, this is hilarious, and I'm not even a conservative. First of all, there is no real working socialist society anywhere in the world. European countries are not socialist. They are capitalist societies with a greater safety net than the one in the US. In some respects, their citizens as a whole do fair better, but it does come at a price as taxes are a bit higher.

As for your argument that things were made better in years past, your use of the automobile as an example is comical. Today's cars last longer than they ever have, even the cheap ones. It used to be that a once a vehicle hit 100,000 miles, it's life expectancy was nearing the end. Today, even the worst built cars should get you at least 200,000 miles, so long as you keep up on the maintenance.

Seriously, I hope your diatribe was a joke.

 

[Agit8r]

Last time I checked Socialism didn't pay a living wage, it gave most people enough to not die, but not all.

Then you haven't checked the European Union lately, or looked at your national state of affairs.

The EU has a capitalist/mixed economy

 

[shintao]

One of the advantages of a socialist system is it's ability to be static and keep a balance across the entire social system from worker to product to retired, etc. There are few ripples, and therefore few adjustments to be made, maybe minor tinkering. Citizens are more confident and assured of an ongoing balance from birth to the grave.

Americans on the other hand live in a world of chaos, depressions, rising prices, falling wages, insecurities of jobs & retirements & health, and cost increases. The turmoil is more noticable when looking at the forest from outside the trees.

We would be wise to turn to socialism for some of our systems, like costs & benefits of labor. We have a DOT system that outlines all employment & dutys, and could also be integrated with wage rates to create a standarized cost of living in America. By controlling wages & salarys, we could fix food & living expenses to a living wage. Everything else would fall in line with the standard and become static.

In the German system for example product prices are about the same. The difference is in the service given with the product, and the duribility of the product. It is quality over quanity. In America products are chaotically priced and sold, and made to be replaced, even going so far as to sell you extended warrantys against the coming failure of the product. We are quanity over quality.

We can see the quality work if we turn back time to the 1920s. Look at the ornate homes, jewelry, furniture, cars, etc. Go have a look at the Hummer, a plastic piece of junk riding on the name for sales. At least a Pendelton shirt has earned the name of quality.

sorry, didn't make it past the first paragraph when images of Greece being on fire b/c the socialist system ran out of money.

Well until you read the rest of the paragraphs, we have nothing to discuss. I don't write paragraphs to have them ignored, thank you

perhaps you should pick a new idealogy. One that has a record of working long long term. Like capitalism.

Unfortunately you have no capitalist system to show me that hasn't failed. You are trillions in debt, millions unemployed, millions with no medical care, millions homeless and sleeping under bridges, and citizens discontented with their station in life who are dying to early and losing children in child birth. Poor folks don't have a pot to piss in your capitalist system.

It's worked in America for over 200 years. socialism ruined the EU in about 50.

And then suddenly failed, as it often does, and drug itself off into a 13 Trillion black hole of starvation and pain. You forget about the Great Depression or the Great Depression II you are living in? LOL!! Take some bennies and tooth-pick those eyes of yours.

 

[shintao]

Last time I checked Socialism didn't pay a living wage, it gave most people enough to not die, but not all.

Then you haven't checked the European Union lately, or looked at your national state of affairs.

The EU has a capitalist/mixed economy

I wouldn't call it capitalist, when it has been socialist all along, maybe a socialist/mixed economy where capitalism is trying to gain a foothold. As Walmart quickly found when Germany stepped on their capitalist tongue, they were told to get out, or be willing to pay German workers decent wages and benefits, full time work, and price controls set by the government. They are not allowed for example to conduct sales that would undercut like products elsewhere in Germany.

Here is a tidbit:

Social Europe has five main characteristics:

fundamental social rights, including freedom of association and the right to strike;

social protection and wealth redistribution measures;

social dialogue and consultation with workers;

social and employment regulation;

state responsibility for full employment, services of general interest, and economic and social cohesion.

Social Europe

 

[shintao]

One of the advantages of a socialist system is it's ability to be static and keep a balance across the entire social system from worker to product to retired, etc. There are few ripples, and therefore few adjustments to be made, maybe minor tinkering. Citizens are more confident and assured of an ongoing balance from birth to the grave.

Americans on the other hand live in a world of chaos, depressions, rising prices, falling wages, insecurities of jobs & retirements & health, and cost increases. The turmoil is more noticable when looking at the forest from outside the trees.

We would be wise to turn to socialism for some of our systems, like costs & benefits of labor. We have a DOT system that outlines all employment & dutys, and could also be integrated with wage rates to create a standarized cost of living in America. By controlling wages & salarys, we could fix food & living expenses to a living wage. Everything else would fall in line with the standard and become static.

In the German system for example product prices are about the same. The difference is in the service given with the product, and the duribility of the product. It is quality over quanity. In America products are chaotically priced and sold, and made to be replaced, even going so far as to sell you extended warrantys against the coming failure of the product. We are quanity over quality.

We can see the quality work if we turn back time to the 1920s. Look at the ornate homes, jewelry, furniture, cars, etc. Go have a look at the Hummer, a plastic piece of junk riding on the name for sales. At least a Pendelton shirt has earned the name of quality.

Okay, this is hilarious, and I'm not even a conservative. First of all, there is no real working socialist society anywhere in the world. European countries are not socialist. They are capitalist societies with a greater safety net than the one in the US. In some respects, their citizens as a whole do fair better, but it does come at a price as taxes are a bit higher.

When you tell me taxes are higher, I know you are not studied in this subject.

As for your argument that things were made better in years past, your use of the automobile as an example is comical. Today's cars last longer than they ever have, even the cheap ones. It used to be that a once a vehicle hit 100,000 miles, it's life expectancy was nearing the end. Today, even the worst built cars should get you at least 200,000 miles, so long as you keep up on the maintenance.

Seriously, I hope your diatribe was a joke.

You have to be joking about todays cars, which when leaned on leave a permanent crease in the tin sheet metal, and has paint that might last three years before fading. Go talk to some oldie car owners, or go visit the wrecking yard where those twisted lil balls of tin foil sit rusting.

Now go on and tell me how great we build houses.

 

[JW Frogen]

It is not hard to do, Australia has much lower unemployment levels the the USA, it is the only developed country that suffered no recession during the Global Financial Crises, and yet our minimum wages are higher than the USA, you can live in honorable poverty on them, by which I mean you will have everything you need, not everything you will want.

You really should learn about the new invention known as the Internet.

Australia slashes immigration as recession looms - Australasia, World - The Independent

We are not in a recession and have the lowest unemployment in the Western World.

Perhaps the Independent should learn the art of journalism?

 

[JW Frogen]

And let me tell you this, our healthcare system makes the USA before or after Obamcare look like a Medieval torture chamber.

America, I was born there and grew up there, but you fucking suck at a lot of things you do not have the balls or brains to change.

 

[JW Frogen]

You have become a nation of shrieking girls who can not solve any problem.

All you do is argue on Fox.

The only institution you have that works anymore is the military.