Separation, I agree, will solve everyones' race problem

[Anonymous1977]

When in segregation, the minority still got butchered. If you think homosexuality has anything to do with the race problem, I suggest you read up on both issues.

And WHY exactly did Whites prey on Blacks?

And I said "separation," not "segragation." If you're not intelligent enough to know the subtle meanings of words, then perhaps you need to do more reading and less talking lol.

Separation: Blacks governing and living in their own independent nation.
Segregation: Blacks separated by law within a nation that they don't independently govern.

 

[emilynghiem]

So who gets ordered to leave the States you decide should be black or white? Millions that is who.

Nobody is ORDERED. organization is voluntary just like now, with parties or churches, people choose which communities they want to affiliate with and build their programs from there. Completely by free choice and informed consent, by how we naturally choose to affiliate or congregate socially in our community circles and networks.

RetiredGySgt You might relate to fellow Vets, and I believe deserve whole cities to yourselves to manage and create sustainable jobs and care for Veterans by Veterans with the proper training support and resources needed, instead of the mess we have now in the VA. That whole system can create blocks of city-states within states, to make sure it represents Vet interests.

Only if there is CRIME and RESTITUTION owed, then yes, by following due process you can require people by law to follow court orders. Of if people VOLUNTEER to invest restitution into communities, that can be done as a business or charity.
For example, if the people incarcerated in prisons are given the choice to serve in their home communities, and build schools and do work in detention but in conjunction with their family and community support, that gives incentive to pay debts back.
Becuse it is going back to the communities they harmed with their criminal behavior, such as robbing or dealing drugs.

With RICO there are already laws in place where communities or victims affected by trafficking crimes
can CLAIM the property that was abused for organized crime, and use it for their community.

So this approach to restitution can be used to RECLAIM property to use for schools, daycares, medical clinics, or
Veteran facilities or Elderly centers, and start building up the districts otherwise destroyed by crime and cycles of poverty.

 

[Anonymous1977]

To everyone that wants to make me the issue, get a life, trash.

I do not believe in oppression on the basis of race (racism,) just for the record.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

So who gets ordered to leave the States you decide should be black or white? Millions that is who.

Nobody is ORDERED. organization is voluntary just like now, with parties or churches, people choose which communities they want to affiliate with and build their programs from there.

Only if there is CRIME and RESTITUTION owed, then yes, by following due process you can require people by law to follow court orders. Of if people VOLUNTEER to invest restitution into communities, that can be done as a business or charity.
For example, if the people incarcerated in prisons are given the choice to serve in their home communities, and build schools and do work in detention but in conjunction with their family and community support, that gives incentive to pay debts back.
Becuse it is going back to the communities they harmed with their criminal behavior, such as robbing or dealing drugs.

With RICO there are already laws in place where communities or victims affected by trafficking crimes
can CLAIM the property that was abused for organized crime, and use it for their community.

So this approach to restitution can be used to RECLAIM property to use for schools, daycares, medical clinics, or
Veteran facilities or Elderly centers, and start building up the districts otherwise destroyed by crime and cycles of poverty.

That IS NOT WHAT ANON is talking about. Anon wants 3 or 4 States to be ONLY Black people and a separate Nation. He wants toi force every black person in the US into his new Country and force every non black person out of his new Nation.,

 

[emilynghiem]

So who gets ordered to leave the States you decide should be black or white? Millions that is who.

Nobody is ORDERED. organization is voluntary just like now, with parties or churches, people choose which communities they want to affiliate with and build their programs from there.

Only if there is CRIME and RESTITUTION owed, then yes, by following due process you can require people by law to follow court orders. Of if people VOLUNTEER to invest restitution into communities, that can be done as a business or charity.
For example, if the people incarcerated in prisons are given the choice to serve in their home communities, and build schools and do work in detention but in conjunction with their family and community support, that gives incentive to pay debts back.
Becuse it is going back to the communities they harmed with their criminal behavior, such as robbing or dealing drugs.

With RICO there are already laws in place where communities or victims affected by trafficking crimes
can CLAIM the property that was abused for organized crime, and use it for their community.

So this approach to restitution can be used to RECLAIM property to use for schools, daycares, medical clinics, or
Veteran facilities or Elderly centers, and start building up the districts otherwise destroyed by crime and cycles of poverty.

That IS NOT WHAT ANON is talking about. Anon wants 3 or 4 States to be ONLY Black people and a separate Nation. He wants toi force every black person in the US into his new Country and force every non black person out of his new Nation.,

Don't worry, RetiredGySgt With patriots like Lt. Col. Allen West whom I would appoint to oversee this, along with Gov. Schwarzenegger, Sarah Palin, and anyone else into independent sovereignty under the Constitution to preserve unity, I don't worry that one person like Anon or me is going to go unchecked and start pulling off any Hitleresque oppression.

The only people with the guts to pull this off are Constitutionalists especially Veterans. With the military leaders in charge of security, this can be done purely following lawful processes. I'm sure we will need Constitutional conventions to work this out, and create city states along the border as test models before making any such agreements finalized.

We don't need another Hawaii, another Native American genocide, another gentrification wave to wipe out elderly Blacks in historic district to seize land for developers. The whole point of this would be to AVOID any more of that by giving people equal opportunity through campus-based education and training to LEARN how to build and manage their own communities and cities UNDER THE CONSTITUTION just like the Founding Fathers and colonists did.

Until people have HAD that experience, how can they be equal to others who HAVE this in their history and background.

Here is my proposal for military development on the border, and I think this cites Schwarzenegger's proposal for prisons*:
Earned Amnesty

* http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/cal.../schwarzenegger-send-prisoners-to-mexico.html
Schwarzenegger Build prisons in Mexico

Sure Fire Cure for Illegal Immigration US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
freedombecki's thread on this

So if the Latino community can organize military campuses along the border,
of course similar CAMPUS TOWNS can be set up for African focused communities.
This is no big deal, does not have to be violently or racially segregated,
but can be naturally and freely organized, just like any Buddhist or Chinese community
would organize. Why can't Blacks and Latino's do the same without anyone freaking out.

 

[emilynghiem]

To everyone that wants to make me the issue, get a life, trash.

I do not believe in oppression on the basis of race (racism,) just for the record.

I guess the right people have to be put in charge for people to trust this to be done freely and legally without force.

Some people WANT to see conservatives and vets in charge.
Some people don't trust those folks, but some don't trust you if you aren't conservative Constitutionalist enough.

What do you think of Allen West. Wouldn't he be able to bring together different sides
where it is clearly Constitutionalist? he wants to promote historic education and empowerment of
people especially Blacks to stop this political oppression but he is coming from the conservative side.

How to align the leadership where it isn't divided over party or the Muslim issue?
Some of the conservative Black leaders are Muslim so that can't get in the way but has to be used for advantage in this.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Your ignorance is appalling Anon is quite clear that he wants States depopulated of legal NON black residents and then force all blacks in the other states to move to these couple States. He is not hiding his intent, he is not white washing it he has stated it clearly. He wants these States to ONLY have black residents. So remind me again how you will VOLUNTARILY get all those non blacks to leave their homes and businesses? Or explain how you will get all those blacks not in those States to VOLUNTARILY do the same?

 

[Nutz]

Yep, Anonymos1977, you should be segregated on a deserted island.

You realize he believes all whites are racist? And that Asslips and few others agree with a lot of his garbage?

Why not the vitriolic nonsense when your ilk say all blacks are racist?

Hypocrite.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Now you are lying. I said no such thing but you did.

So you did not say the red highlight?

That was sarcasm for his stupid ass comment. You know it, I know it, and you need to grow up. You far right racialists know you get harder than you hit. Always will be that way.

I did not quote Anon I quoted you and told you what he believes. Or is this whole thread a great big lie? Did he just pretend to want separation of the races and segregation? Is this a joke thread?

Answer those questions for yourself. I corrected you on what I said. It was sarcasm. You don't get it. I don't care. But I oppose segregation.

Yet here you are defending Anon.

I used sarcasm to show I did not agree.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Yep, Anonymos1977, you should be segregated on a deserted island.

You realize he believes all whites are racist? And that Asslips and few others agree with a lot of his garbage?

Why not the vitriolic nonsense when your ilk say all blacks are racist?

Hypocrite.

Ok you made a claim against me now back it up. Link to me saying anything like that or admit you are a lying piece of dog shit.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Emily is more dangerous than Anon and Swagger by far.

She wants to over throw the We the People who inform the Constitution's powers and delegations of powers.

She wants to scrap.

I was correct in describing her as the best conceptualist on the Board, and now that I understand that she lives in Plato's cave, I will oppose her principles as long as I live.

 

[Nutz]

Yep, Anonymos1977, you should be segregated on a deserted island.

You realize he believes all whites are racist? And that Asslips and few others agree with a lot of his garbage?

Why not the vitriolic nonsense when your ilk say all blacks are racist?

Hypocrite.

Ok you made a claim against me now back it up. Link to me saying anything like that or admit you are a lying piece of dog shit.

I am supposed to find a link where you chided a white for calling all blacks racist? Wow, your rage makes you lose all common sense, doesn't it Gunny.

Were you thrown out of the Marines for hazing black folk?

 

[JakeStarkey]

I am supposed to find a link where you chided a white for calling all blacks racist? Wow, your rage makes you lose all common sense, doesn't it Gunny.

Were you thrown out of the Marines for hazing black folk?

Grow up, Nutz.

 

[emilynghiem]

Your ignorance is appalling Anon is quite clear that he wants States depopulated of legal NON black residents and then force all blacks in the other states to move to these couple States. He is not hiding his intent, he is not white washing it he has stated it clearly. He wants these States to ONLY have black residents. So remind me again how you will VOLUNTARILY get all those non blacks to leave their homes and businesses? Or explain how you will get all those blacks not in those States to VOLUNTARILY do the same?

Dear RetiredGySgt Since that is not legal anyway
I'm not going to focus on that but focus on what is practical to build campus towns to teach people
to govern themselves independently under the Constitution.

Nobody would worry about "beating someone else out of power"
if people are too busy building their own communities.
So no more rises of Obama's because there is no more oppression.

Sorry this has you panicked as if Anon is into promoting anti-white race wars.

It was Nutz who was afraid the Tea party were really closet Klan and closet Aryan gangs trying to wipe out blacks.

I guess you and Nutz are both afraid of anyone who sounds sympathetic?
There are extremists out there, but they can't get anything done
openly, transparently and Constitutionally.

Enforcing the Constitution SCREENS out anything to the contrary,
so I'm not worried about Klan or Anon. We're all bound by the Constitution anyway.

You are right though, RGS, if Anon is not serious
he will talk all this [talk] and not do any of the work
it really takes to set up Constitutionally run cities and states.

Maybe only the Vets like you understand what it takes
to make a base secure. So I propose to work with Vets on this
idea of building community campuses.

We'll see if Anon is as serious as others are about securing our
borders by developing viable city communities there instead of
letting gangs, violence and traffickers run wild.

If Anon is just empty talk, I'll work with the Vets or Latino
communities who are serious about developing land into viable cities and states.

Maybe you're right, and Anonymous isn't talking about anything Constitutionally based.

Too bad, because that's what is required to make it work.
if he doesn't see it, then others are going to take charge and build it based on Constitutional equality.

 

[William Joyce]

That IS NOT WHAT ANON is talking about. Anon wants 3 or 4 States to be ONLY Black people and a separate Nation. He wants toi force every black person in the US into his new Country and force every non black person out of his new Nation.,

It need not be this stark.

There are plenty of flexible points to incorporate into a scheme of natural separation.

Whites or blacks might choose to remain in a territory dominated by another group, recognizing that if if they want full citizen status, they can move, or if they're OK with inferior status but some other benefit (like money), they can stay.

 

[Gracie]

How hard is it to start a new town, hire law enforcement, have a fire department, hospital, schools....and all employees in that town be black? Kinda like what the Native Americans have. They can leave the rez any time they want but I don't think just anyone can move INTO the rez unless they are NA. Not sure about that, so just asking.

Serious question. Blacks that keep screaming about whites...why not give them land and those that want all black can do that. Or can they? Gonna be hard for folks married to whites or have half white children. Unless they look black "enough". Oy. What a mess.

 

[William Joyce]

I think part of the problem is that, truth be told, blacks don't have the level of intelligence to start up their own societies -- at least ones anyone would want to live in. I mean, for all that blacks bitch about whitey, where would the BLACK AIR airline be? The BLACK HOSPITAL, with all black doctors and nurses and surgeons? The BLACK COMPUTER COMPANY? Imagine for a moment blacks designing and building modern cars from scratch... yeah, I can't, either.

That said, I would support and encourage as much as could be accomplished.

The planet is pretty freakin' big. Surely we can all find a place.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Natural separation? Most blacks are much smarter than Joyce.

And who is going to decide what. We are not going back to a gentler and kinder pre-1860 Jacksonian Democracy.

 

[emilynghiem]

Your ignorance is appalling Anon is quite clear that he wants States depopulated of legal NON black residents and then force all blacks in the other states to move to these couple States. He is not hiding his intent, he is not white washing it he has stated it clearly. He wants these States to ONLY have black residents. So remind me again how you will VOLUNTARILY get all those non blacks to leave their homes and businesses? Or explain how you will get all those blacks not in those States to VOLUNTARILY do the same?

1. First, there are plenty of Black districts so there is no need to evacuate and reorganize whole States.
I interpreted "states" to mean like how DC is its own district. It doesn't take that much to be your own city state.
The Vatican is its own city state. Freedmen's Town where I live use to take up 2/3 to 3/4 of what is now downtown Houston. it can be its own little city-state and it isn't any big deal. Other people of other groups can still live there and participate, but the point is the MANAGEMENT and OWNERSHIP of the city govt would be Black owned
in order to reclaim the property rights that used to be in place (before govt was abused to seize this property AWAY from Black and Minority owners by abuse of Eminent Domain. the public housing complex built there was ironically "segregated as whites only' and was a govt complex for "military families" in order to justify govt contracts during the war. but it was never used for that, only used to seize land and power for business interests abusing govt.)

2. Even starting with these small NEIGHBORHOODs and districts that are already populated and concentrated with Black community members, these can be connected by RADIO and INTERNET.

You do NOT have to physical deport people around.
That would be disruptive and destroy their natural relations they already have built.

You start with the relations and communities they already have.
You use those to build the campus towns around.

If Anon isn't on the same page, he needs to get there.

If he has friends with Nation of Islam, they are already pushing to teach people land ownership and
networking businesses together. So that's no different from how the Vietnamese or Chinese develop
their own business districts. You start with that and then incorporate as a city or small township. No big deal.

 

[emilynghiem]

I think part of the problem is that, truth be told, blacks don't have the level of intelligence to start up their own societies -- at least ones anyone would want to live in. I mean, for all that blacks bitch about whitey, where would the BLACK AIR airline be? The BLACK HOSPITAL, with all black doctors and nurses and surgeons? The BLACK COMPUTER COMPANY? Imagine for a moment blacks designing and building modern cars from scratch... yeah, I can't, either.

That said, I would support and encourage as much as could be accomplished.

The planet is pretty freakin' big. Surely we can all find a place.

close, William Joyce,
they don't have the experience to do it without help, like how developers have property
and experience "passed down the family" and they can get credit and favor from govt leaders
in exchange for funding campaigns.

This is not equal to Blacks who come from family lines that were destroyed by genocide, were denied property ownership of their own bodies much less their own houses and land, were excluded from public life as late as the 1960's, and are taught by their own leaders that Constitutional laws of governance "don't apply to them but are only for control by wealthy corporate interests" when in fact Knowledge of the Constitution is what would stop such abuses.

What is ironic is in my district, the whole settlement used to be owned and managed by Freed Slaves who weren't even considered Citizens, so of course they had to build all their churches, houses and businesses, even lay their own brick streets themselves. Their district was once called the Harlem of the South because it had an entire culture of Jazz clubs similar to New Orleans, with the unique twist that churches were on every other corner, so these places co-existed. The wild clubs where all kinds of things went down, right next to churches.
Very interesting history.

But all that got destroyed by city-backed developers who wanted the land, and abused eminent domain and federal courts to seize and destroy, and evict the residents who fought for years to preserve their ownership and history tied to the land. Instead of stripping more land away and forcing more community residents under the serfdom of public schools seizing control by eminent domain, why not organize and invest in buying back these schools and districts to manage locally.

Why not set up campuses where Black leaders, Veterans and church leaders and members
can be trained how to manage their own govts schools and businesses, etc.
Freedmen s Town Historic Churches and Vet Housing