Senate Republicans chooses Wall Street OVER taxpayers

[uscitizen]

Why would anyone believe that the Repubs were not for Wall Street First?

 

[California Girl]

Why would anyone believe that the Repubs were not for Wall Street First?

Why would anyone believe that you're not an idiot?

So many questions, so few smart people with answers.

 

[JimH52]

So republicans are defending Wall Street and Big Oil. NICE!

 

[California Girl]

Their own fuck ups?

That's like blaming the maid because you stained the sheets.

If you honestly believe that both parties did not know what was going on, that both parties were absolutely fine with it, that both parties financially benefited from it, then you are a fool.

Fucking politicians are such damned hypocrites - and that people defend them is beyond stupid.

And... instead of engaging the brain and critically looking at the facts of what happened, they whine about others 'defending Wall Street'.... I'm not 'defending' anyone.... I'm apportioning blame.... because that is what intelligent people do.

Sweetness? You did not mention both parties in the post I responded to. Additionally, within the two party system, we hire a new ADMINISTRATION every four years (unless we like the the first four), and they are hired to do a job. Now, iffin you like it or not, the two ADMINISTRATIONS of the previous 8 years burned the crops and sowed the fields with salt. Those affiliated WITH that administration are obstructing the clean up effort.
It is what it is.
It really is.

What is really sad is that you actually believe that. It's not about an Administration.... do you honestly think that Wall St didn't pay off both sides? Be real. Please. It is SOP to keep both 'sides' sweet... business doesn't run on a four year cycle. They keep 'in' with both sides.... and that you believe that it actually matters which side gets in is even funnier.... BOTH do business with Wall St. Live with it.

 

[hortysir]

Only white wingers on this blog are still blaming the economic collapse on Freddie/Fannie.

All the economists, both left and right, blame it on Wall Street and deregulation.

Obviously, USMB bloggers know something no one else does. What other possible explanation could there be?

So blame deregulation while, simultaneously, trying to block regulations???

 

[uscitizen]

Why would anyone believe that the Repubs were not for Wall Street First?

Why would anyone believe that you're not an idiot?

So many questions, so few smart people with answers.

Yeah where do you think we could find a smart person?

 

[martybegan]

I love rhetoric like this. So if wall street people arent americans what the hell are they?

Yea sucker, corporations are people too...

There are 2 types of Republicans; millionaires and suckers.

Corporations contain people. Maybe people with more proportional power than you but still people. Needing to dehumanize them is an obvious tactic to oppose them without needing to think about it.

And I consider myself a republican and I'm not a miliionaire. Dont think I'm a sucker either.

I guess you are just one of those people that can't fathom someone thinking differently than you and just have to insult them.

 

[Bfgrn]

I love rhetoric like this. So if wall street people arent americans what the hell are they?

Yea sucker, corporations are people too...

There are 2 types of Republicans; millionaires and suckers.

Corporations contain people. Maybe people with more proportional power than you but still people. Needing to dehumanize them is an obvious tactic to oppose them without needing to think about it.

And I consider myself a republican and I'm not a miliionaire. Dont think I'm a sucker either.

I guess you are just one of those people that can't fathom someone thinking differently than you and just have to insult them.

Nice try...but you fail.

There is a very good reason to dehumanize corporations. They are NOT human.

They are not mortal. They don't share that same aspirations as you and I. They are not fragile biological creatures that can be poisoned, harmed or killed. They don't want democracy, they don't want free markets. Corporations exist for one sole purpose...profit.

Corporations are externalizing machines that are constantly figuring out ways to get somebody else to pay their costs of production. One of the best ways to do that is through pollution. Pollution is inefficiency. It undermines and dismantles a true free market and allows a corporation to drastically reduces the REAL costs of their product and pass those inefficiencies (costs) on to you and me. It costs We the people about 4 trillion dollars per year to absorb THEIR costs, through workplace injuries, medical care required by the failure of unsafe products, health costs from pollution, hazy skies, injured consumers, and impoverished workers in the United States and elsewhere.

If you really want a country that our founding father's envisioned, and if you want to understand their view of corporations and the role of government to control and regulate corporations; educate yourself...

The History of Corporations in the United States

The first thing to understand is the difference between the natural person and the fictitious person called a corporation. They differ in the purpose for which they are created, in the strength which they possess, and in the restraints under which they act. Man is the handiwork of God and was placed upon earth to carry out a Divine purpose; the corporation is the handiwork of man and created to carry out a money-making policy. There is comparatively little difference in the strength of men; a corporation may be one hundred, one thousand, or even one million times stronger than the average man. Man acts under the restraints of conscience, and is influenced also by a belief in a future life. A corporation has no soul and cares nothing about the hereafter.
-William Jennings Bryan, 1912 Ohio Constitutional Convention

 

[hortysir]

Nice try...but you fail.

There is a very good reason to dehumanize corporations. They are NOT human.

They are not mortal. They don't share that same aspirations as you and I. They are not fragile biological creatures that can be poisoned, harmed or killed. They don't want democracy, they don't want free markets. Corporations exist for one sole purpose...profit.

Wasn't just the opposite argued when SCOTUS made their ruling about campaign contributions?

 

[boedicca]

The OP is completely inane.

The reason the GOP is objecting to the bill is because it excludes two of the biggest culprits who contributed to the financial crisis: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

 

[Maple]

Meanwhile the Demo-Libs block a bill that would stop funneling an endless stream of cash to Fannie and Freddie:

Congress.org - : Key Votes

So, nanner-nanner-boo-boo

Freddie and Fannie were the major problem in all of this crisis, yet the democrats don't want to do anything to regulate them, oooooooooooooh nooooooooooo that's their baby.

 

[martybegan]

Yea sucker, corporations are people too...

There are 2 types of Republicans; millionaires and suckers.

Corporations contain people. Maybe people with more proportional power than you but still people. Needing to dehumanize them is an obvious tactic to oppose them without needing to think about it.

And I consider myself a republican and I'm not a miliionaire. Dont think I'm a sucker either.

I guess you are just one of those people that can't fathom someone thinking differently than you and just have to insult them.

Nice try...but you fail.

There is a very good reason to dehumanize corporations. They are NOT human.

They are not mortal. They don't share that same aspirations as you and I. They are not fragile biological creatures that can be poisoned, harmed or killed. They don't want democracy, they don't want free markets. Corporations exist for one sole purpose...profit.

Corporations are externalizing machines that are constantly figuring out ways to get somebody else to pay their costs of production. One of the best ways to do that is through pollution. Pollution is inefficiency. It undermines and dismantles a true free market and allows a corporation to drastically reduces the REAL costs of their product and pass those inefficiencies (costs) on to you and me. It costs We the people about 4 trillion dollars per year to absorb THEIR costs, through workplace injuries, medical care required by the failure of unsafe products, health costs from pollution, hazy skies, injured consumers, and impoverished workers in the United States and elsewhere.

If you really want a country that our founding father's envisioned, and if you want to understand their view of corporations and the role of government to control and regulate corporations; educate yourself...

The History of Corporations in the United States

The first thing to understand is the difference between the natural person and the fictitious person called a corporation. They differ in the purpose for which they are created, in the strength which they possess, and in the restraints under which they act. Man is the handiwork of God and was placed upon earth to carry out a Divine purpose; the corporation is the handiwork of man and created to carry out a money-making policy. There is comparatively little difference in the strength of men; a corporation may be one hundred, one thousand, or even one million times stronger than the average man. Man acts under the restraints of conscience, and is influenced also by a belief in a future life. A corporation has no soul and cares nothing about the hereafter.
-William Jennings Bryan, 1912 Ohio Constitutional Convention

You didnt answer my statement. You just went into the standard CORPORTATIONS EVIL OOGA BOOGA rant.

If there is a better model of doing business I'd like to hear it.

 

[California Girl]

Why would anyone believe that the Repubs were not for Wall Street First?

Why would anyone believe that you're not an idiot?

So many questions, so few smart people with answers.

Yeah where do you think we could find a smart person?

I look in a mirror. Not sure where you'd go.

 

[frazzledgear]

Meanwhile the Demo-Libs block a bill that would stop funneling an endless stream of cash to Fannie and Freddie:

Congress.org - : Key Votes

So, nanner-nanner-boo-boo

Government intervention and manipulation is what caused the financial meltdown in the first place. Chris Dodd and Barney Frank, the respective chairs of the banking and financial committees in the Senate and House were INSTRUMENTAL in it too -with Fannie and Freddie playing major roles. Just go to YouTube and watch any of the Congressional hearings involving Freddie and Fannie and listen to those Democrats responses to the regulators trying to tell them THEY were forcing banks into making BAD decisions that would eventually come home to roost. Its a joke and the butt of that joke is WE THE PEOPLE with Democrats intent on keeping us as the butt of that joke and constantly ON THE HOOK to keep bailing out Freddie and Fannie over and over and over.

The fact Democrats refuse to include Fannie and Freddie in their "reform" bills is no coincidence -by excluding them it means taxpayers MUST constantly be forced to throw their money down that endless rat hole. It also INDISPUTABLY proves their proposed bills aren't about meaningful REFORM of any kind. It is entirely about expanding the power and size of federal government even more and anyone who doesn't see that must enjoy playing the useful idiot.

How many times do we have to see it to get it? Health care legislation was never about health, care, reducing premiums or lowering health care costs and NOW the CBO has come forward and admitted the costs will go UP more than it would have without this bill, that premiums will be MORE expensive than without this bill. All the things Democrats LIED TO OUR FACES about insisting the only purpose for this bill was to REDUCE health care costs, reduce insurance premiums and make health care MORE affordable. Yet we find out that Democrats once again played us all for SUCKERS by sticking us with their bullshit that was ONLY designed to increase the size and power of government, giving it ever more power to dictate how we live our lives. That bill was ENTIRELY about expanding the size and power of government -and the only way government can claim more power is by STRIPPING it from us. In exchange we get the exact OPPOSITE of what the lying ass Democrats promised. And as long as the extremists are calling the shots, getting lied to is what we can count on getting. Liberals believe their ends justifies the means -ALWAYS. They really do believe their goals are so "pure and noble" that achieving them at ANY and all costs is worth it. So if that means deceiving the people and telling them a bald-face lie -so be it.

Who else but a Democrat would tell the American people that they can't see what its the health care bill until it is passed? WTF? [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoE1R-xH5To]YouTube - Pelosi: we have to pass the health care bill so that you can find out what is in it[/ame] And of course, it must be passed first before we can even get the CBO to even halfway tell the truth about its true costs. Which it now admits will be FAR higher than the Democrats told us. Why is it you liberals would rant and rave if a Republican said something so arrogant as this -but give a free pass when its one of your own? I would rant and rave if EITHER said it. Government is NOT my master and that means whichever party is in power is NOT my master either! But Pelosi telling Americans the bill must be passed before they are allowed to know what is in it -is a liberal who believes government is the master over the people who must be treated like little children, and is someone who really does think she can run our lives better than we can ourselves. She displays proof positive the sheer arrogance that comes with greater power -and its right in front of our eyes. Power corrupts and being a Democrat does NOT make someone less corruptible -power is an equal opportunity corrupter. The key is to keep as much of that as possible OUT of their hands, regardless of party affiliation! NOT just keep giving them more and more of it.

That means cap-and-trade has nothing to do with the environment because scientists and even many liberals acknowledge it would have ZERO impact on global warming -but what it WILL do is give government TREMENDOUS powers it does not yet have -while making sure we get stuck with the bill. It is a means for government to have even greater powers to redistribute the wealth from those who created and earned it -to those who did not. Again, the ONLY way for government to claim more power for itself is by taking it from US -forever. Isn't that wonderful? The more POWER government grabs for itself, the fewer rights we have as well as less money in our pocket! The only win is for those trying to exploit and manipulate the system in order to grab power -by taking it away from us.

So anyone who believes Democrats actually intend to pass a bill with meaningful banking and financial reform are only setting themselves up to be played for suckers once again. We are STILL being played for suckers, we will NOT get what they promise in exchange for their legislation because this is STILL about expanding the size and power of government at all costs. It is easier to make government more powerful at our expense -and far more difficult to get it back which is their TRUE intent. But what it will NOT do is reform the financial industry in order to prevent what happened and will NOT prevent US taxpayers from being on the hook for it again. It will mean government will play an even larger role in the financial industry, giving it far more power and ability to create even greater screw ups than it gave us already. While we get stuck holding the bag for it.

Government intervention caused the financial meltdown and everyone BUT those in government who played a role in it admit it. So naturally the ONLY solution Democrats EVER offer is to give government even MORE power to meddle with it. Democrats cannot think outside the box and if the answer doesn't involve the expansion in the size and power of government, they will reject whatever anyone else proposes. Democrats believe whatever it is in the private sector, government can do it better and more efficiently when in fact the exact opposite is true and always will be. Whatever government touches with very few exceptions -it will screw up. I've come to the realization that the true goal of Democrats since the extremists took over that party is the transformation of our entire system into yet one more copy of a historically known and proven failure of a system instead. And they do it in spite of seeing the proof in front of their eyes in Greece with Spain and Italy right behind -that it just doesn't work! Even as we see socialist countries rapidly approaching their meltdown, these numbskulls STILL insist we follow suit right down that same path!

 

[jreeves]

Meanwhile the Demo-Libs block a bill that would stop funneling an endless stream of cash to Fannie and Freddie:

Congress.org - : Key Votes

So, nanner-nanner-boo-boo

Question who received the second highest amount of campaign contributions from Fannie and Freddie while a Senator? O****

 

[JimH52]

Itis all about OIL BABY! And who is fighting to keep oil companies to pay for the mess they make. That is what the voters will remember!

 

[Old Rocks]

I love rhetoric like this. So if wall street people arent americans what the hell are they?

The guy that mugs you at an ATM is also more than likely an American.

 

[martybegan]

I love rhetoric like this. So if wall street people arent americans what the hell are they?

The guy that mugs you at an ATM is also more than likely an American.

Depends on the neighborhood.

My point was that anti-corpratists try to remove any trace of people being part of the structures they hate. They ignore the people that run the company, work for it, and are invested in it.

Or I missed something and corporations are run by robots, or terminators, or something like that.

 

[Bfgrn]

Corporations contain people. Maybe people with more proportional power than you but still people. Needing to dehumanize them is an obvious tactic to oppose them without needing to think about it.

And I consider myself a republican and I'm not a miliionaire. Dont think I'm a sucker either.

I guess you are just one of those people that can't fathom someone thinking differently than you and just have to insult them.

Nice try...but you fail.

There is a very good reason to dehumanize corporations. They are NOT human.

They are not mortal. They don't share that same aspirations as you and I. They are not fragile biological creatures that can be poisoned, harmed or killed. They don't want democracy, they don't want free markets. Corporations exist for one sole purpose...profit.

Corporations are externalizing machines that are constantly figuring out ways to get somebody else to pay their costs of production. One of the best ways to do that is through pollution. Pollution is inefficiency. It undermines and dismantles a true free market and allows a corporation to drastically reduces the REAL costs of their product and pass those inefficiencies (costs) on to you and me. It costs We the people about 4 trillion dollars per year to absorb THEIR costs, through workplace injuries, medical care required by the failure of unsafe products, health costs from pollution, hazy skies, injured consumers, and impoverished workers in the United States and elsewhere.

If you really want a country that our founding father's envisioned, and if you want to understand their view of corporations and the role of government to control and regulate corporations; educate yourself...

The History of Corporations in the United States

The first thing to understand is the difference between the natural person and the fictitious person called a corporation. They differ in the purpose for which they are created, in the strength which they possess, and in the restraints under which they act. Man is the handiwork of God and was placed upon earth to carry out a Divine purpose; the corporation is the handiwork of man and created to carry out a money-making policy. There is comparatively little difference in the strength of men; a corporation may be one hundred, one thousand, or even one million times stronger than the average man. Man acts under the restraints of conscience, and is influenced also by a belief in a future life. A corporation has no soul and cares nothing about the hereafter.
-William Jennings Bryan, 1912 Ohio Constitutional Convention

You didnt answer my statement. You just went into the standard CORPORTATIONS EVIL OOGA BOOGA rant.

If there is a better model of doing business I'd like to hear it.

'standard CORPORTATIONS EVIL OOGA BOOGA rant'???

Is there a better model than crony capitalism, corporate welfare and corporate socialism? Yea, how about a REAL free market? In a real free market economy, you can't make yourself rich without making your neighbors rich and without enriching your community.

I guess you didn't read how our founding father's viewed corporations and the role of government to control and regulate them?

I thought you said you're not a sucker?

 

[boedicca]

*cough* Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac *cough*

Have you ever wondered why the FRELL these two entities are exempt from the bill when taxpayers are on the hook for unlimited $Billions to cover the losses from bad loans that Congress mandated they buy?