Senate Bill S510 Makes it illegal to Grow, Share, Trade or Sell Homegrown Food

[shintao]

There's some truth to what Really Ornery wrote.. If people can't resist the government then we are under the control of a dictatorship.

There's also some truth in the agenda of corporations like Monsanto. I, personally, would rather see Monsanto under the thumb of the federal government. Anyone who has seen the documentary Food, Inc., knows what I'm talking about.

Monsanto may be behind it but it's the government that will try to enforce anything. Monsanto can do only what the government allows or have you forgotten that?

Would that be like a court case they win, and take away citizens rights??

 

[bigrebnc1775]

There's also some truth in the agenda of corporations like Monsanto. I, personally, would rather see Monsanto under the thumb of the federal government. Anyone who has seen the documentary Food, Inc., knows what I'm talking about.

Monsanto may be behind it but it's the government that will try to enforce anything. Monsanto can do only what the government allows or have you forgotten that?

Would that be like a court case they win, and take away citizens rights??

Its because of the laws created by the government that causes this.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I wish them luck with that one.

Passing that law would be as inconsequential as repealing the 2nd Amendment. They might do it, but who is going to obey it?

All they need do is make an example of some people growing their own, and everybody will obey it.

Why the hell do you think marijuana costs so damned much?

You are going to compare a marijuana crop to a food crop? neither are the same thing.

 

[Ozmar]

YouTube - Local farms could be illegal


As many people are feeling the economic downturn hit them, they are growing their own food. However, the government might try to take that choice away from the people as well by passing a bill that would make it illegal to clean and store seeds.

This is absurd. I thought this was the land of the free. What is wrong with this place?

Its the change that obama spoke of. This is what happens when you elect liberals with an agenda.

I try not to take sides. I call it like I see it. This is absurd. Being that I'm from Australia and living in America, I have the perspective of an outsider.

 

[MaggieMae]

There's some truth to what Really Ornery wrote.. If people can't resist the government then we are under the control of a dictatorship.

There's also some truth in the agenda of corporations like Monsanto. I, personally, would rather see Monsanto under the thumb of the federal government. Anyone who has seen the documentary Food, Inc., knows what I'm talking about.

yupfarming: Monsanto's Baby: S 510

Monsanto may be behind it but it's the government that will try to enforce anything. Monsanto can do only what the government allows or have you forgotten that?

Since when does big business do wht the government says? Or have you forgotten the recent Wall Street shenanigans that nearly brought down the entire global economy.

 

[MaggieMae]

Frankly, I'm between a rock and a hard place on this one until I see more activity on the bill's movement through the process. On the one hand, I strongly believe we need more control to make food safer (and contain less crap that passes for "preservatives"), and on the other hand, I don't want to see any regulations that would put small farmers out of business.

Punt.

 

[ReallyOrnery]

george4title:

The feds can do and say what they want, but so will I. In fact, I have lived the survivalist life for neary 20 years, and I have no intention of changing my ways now. If push comes to shove, I'll show the tyrants what the business end of a sighted-in Mini-14 Ranch rife is capable of doing at 200 yards, especially when loaded with NATO .223 rounds. The feds ain't the Russian Jews and this isn't the Christian Ukraine of Stalin's 1930s. In this nation, We the People are armed to the teeth -- and pissed off enough to shot the communists.

RO

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fuckwit

I blame the Rambo franchise for creating a whole generation of Americans who think that they and their M-14 could hold off any sort of sizable force.

geauxtohell

It ain't a matter of "holding off a sizable force," but evading it while employing lethal force to its flanks. One highly mobile and motivated rifleman can accomplish great mayhem to an opposing force. Rambo was a fictional character in a fictional movie and is, therefore, irrelevant to this discussion.

RO

 

[hipeter924]

Thank you President Clinton/Obama for supporting toxic food, what next? Fill the food with mind numbing agents and ban Organic food too?

 

[arKangel]

This is similar to how the Holodomor started.
Genocide by famine, perpetuated by the elitist-marxist-socialist.

http://internationalstudies.uchicag...ments/100113-ukraine-holodomor-curriculum.pdf

The 20th century was a time of great human tragedies. Some Americans are aware of the Armenian
Genocide of 1915. Most Americans are aware of the Holocaust of 1939-1945. Many are familiar
with the Cambodian Genocide of 1975 and the Rwandan Genocide of 1994. Few Americans,
however, have heard of the Holodomor/Genocide which took place in Soviet Ukraine in 1932-1933.
Holodomor means “death by starvation.” Although we will never know the exact number
who died in Ukraine during this period, the Ukrainian government today estimates that, taking into
account data related to the demographic consequences of the famine, “Ukrainian losses resulting
from the famine of 1932-1933 total no fewer than ten million people”. This campaign, purposefully
orchestrated by Joseph Stalin and his Soviet cohorts, included summary executions for hoarding
grain and deportations for resistance*.

Stalin decided to eliminate Ukraine's independent farmers for three reasons:
(1) farmers represented the last bulwark of resistance to totalitarian Russian control;
(2) the USSR was in desperate need of foreign capital to build more factories, and the best way to
obtain that capital was to increase agricultural exports from Ukraine, once known as "the
breadbasket of Europe";
(3) the fastest way to increase agricultural exports was to expropriate land through a process of
farm collectivization and to assign procurement quotas to each Soviet republic.
During the collectivization process, Ukrainian farmers resisted vigorously, often violently, especially
when the GPU (secret police) and militia forced them to turn their land over to the government.
Thousands of farmers were killed and millions more were deported to Siberia to be replaced by
more trustworthy workers.

Anyone who was caught with any food was subject to execution as an "enemy of the
people" or, in extenuating circumstances, imprisonment for not less than 10 years.4 To make sure
the new laws were strictly enforced, special "commissions" and "brigades" were dispatched to the
countryside.

As a rule such a brigade consisted of a number of the presidium of the village soviet or a party
representative, and two or three local "activists" (this latter group would include former red partisans,
former hoboes, ex-convicts and such), and there would also be an additional member from the
board of the local cooperative stores. Depending on local conditions the composition of the brigade
would sometimes differ; if the quotas were large and poorly executed, they would include a larger
number of party representatives from the regional, district or central offices. Quite often teachers,
students and clerks from village and district offices would be compelled to join. The groundwork of
the organization of such brigades was laid in 1930 and 1931 and they were constantly improved
upon. As a rule the man in charge would be an outsider, a special functionary dispatched from the
county, region, or capital. Every brigade had at least one "specialist" charged with uncovering hidden
foodstuffs with the aid of a large sharp-pointed steel prong.

 

[ReallyOrnery]

There's some truth to what Really Ornery wrote.. If people can't resist the government then we are under the control of a dictatorship.

true, but i always am suspect of people that go into their bullshit, survivalist rant in response to everything. too much xbox, not enough getting laid, IMO.

i mean, c'mon, we're talking about fucking cows and howdy doody comes in with what a mini14 can do at 200yards? gmafb. at least he made it erasy for me to get back to sleep.

later

I suspect RO has never been on the business end of a mortar barrage.

geauxtohell:

Aren't you the little defeatist! So what do you suggest, hero --> bending over, grabbing your ankles and letting the government come up inside of you? I guess being a quisling comes naturally for some people, but I ain't one of them. If your freedom isn't worth fighting to keep, then you deserve to be a craven slave.

As for being on the business end of a mortar barrage, we must all wonder where the mortars will be aimed. Do you honestly 'think' that people who oppose the government will just sit at home with a target painted on their chests? ROTFLMAO if you do.

Now, go back to sleep, slave, because tomorrow Big Brother will bag and tag you as one of his loyal minions.

RO

 

[del]

true, but i always am suspect of people that go into their bullshit, survivalist rant in response to everything. too much xbox, not enough getting laid, IMO.

i mean, c'mon, we're talking about fucking cows and howdy doody comes in with what a mini14 can do at 200yards? gmafb. at least he made it erasy for me to get back to sleep.

later

I suspect RO has never been on the business end of a mortar barrage.

geauxtohell:

Aren't you the little defeatist! So what do you suggest, hero --> bending over, grabbing your ankles and letting the government come up inside of you? I guess being a quisling comes naturally for some people, but I ain't one of them. If your freedom isn't worth fighting to keep, then you deserve to be a craven slave.

As for being on the business end of a mortar barrage, we must all wonder where the mortars will be aimed. Do you honestly 'think' that people who oppose the government will just sit at home with a target painted on their chests? ROTFLMAO if you do.

Now, go back to sleep, slave, because tomorrow Big Brother will bag and tag you as one of his loyal minions.

RO

great trolling. it almost reads like you believe this bullshit, especially the parts about being a *motivated* rifleman and actually serving.

excellent shit.

keep it coming, francis

 

[hortysir]

I've read the bill twice. What section of Bill S510 specifically states it being illegal to grow, share, trade or sell homegrown food?
The Bill, as I read it, will regulate small growers to comply with record keeping to evaluate hazards, document them and then implement controls.

Section 103 -
Requires each owner, operator, or agent in charge of a food facility to: (1) evaluate the hazards that could affect food; (2) identify and implement preventive controls; (3) monitor the performance of those controls; and (4) maintain records of such monitoring. Deems facilities required to comply with certain food-specific standards to be in compliance with this section. Requires the Secretary to promulgate regulations to establish science-based minimum standards for conducting a hazard analysis, documenting hazards, implementing preventive controls, and documenting such implementation. Prohibits the operation of a facility that manufactures, processes, packs, or holds food for sale in the United States if the owner, operator, or agent in charge of such facility is not in compliance with this section. Delays implementation of this section for small businesses.

S. 510 - Summary: FDA Food Safety Modernization Act (GovTrack.us)

The small farmers who sell to local business and farmers markets will be impacted by more fees and red tape. I see nothing about it being illegal to save seed, share products, or sell homegrown food.

Thank you, Cherry.

I really don't want any Tom, Dick, or Harry growing a big garden, fertilizing it with God-knows-what, and selling it willy-nilly without any type of regulation by my local health inspector.

 

[MaggieMae]

true, but i always am suspect of people that go into their bullshit, survivalist rant in response to everything. too much xbox, not enough getting laid, IMO.

i mean, c'mon, we're talking about fucking cows and howdy doody comes in with what a mini14 can do at 200yards? gmafb. at least he made it erasy for me to get back to sleep.

later

I suspect RO has never been on the business end of a mortar barrage.

geauxtohell:

Aren't you the little defeatist! So what do you suggest, hero --> bending over, grabbing your ankles and letting the government come up inside of you? I guess being a quisling comes naturally for some people, but I ain't one of them. If your freedom isn't worth fighting to keep, then you deserve to be a craven slave.

As for being on the business end of a mortar barrage, we must all wonder where the mortars will be aimed. Do you honestly 'think' that people who oppose the government will just sit at home with a target painted on their chests? ROTFLMAO if you do.

Now, go back to sleep, slave, because tomorrow Big Brother will bag and tag you as one of his loyal minions.

RO

I see the insanity barometer continues its climb upward. Pathetic.

 

[Mr. Peepers]

I have to say too, as someone who grew up with livestock and raised beef cattle, I find the mentality of some of the "organic" people to be absurd. I can understand not wanting beef that has hormones in it. However, to be "organic" you also can't use antibiotics or vaccinate your livestock.

Actually, you can vaccinate your herd and give them antibiotics if they are ill, but you cannot give it to them as a preventative like big agra does since the diet they are fed makes them sick, no matter what. Cows aren't meant to eat corn. Organic growers are not adverse to antibiotics if your cow gets sick.

 

[saveliberty]

Big profit for the government to do a DNA test on your plants or produce making sure it was store bought seed. They can't even have an on site inspector on a huge egg farm.

 

[JBeukema]

PolitiFact | Backyard gardens under threat of inspection?

 

[RodISHI]

Frankly, I'm between a rock and a hard place on this one until I see more activity on the bill's movement through the process. On the one hand, I strongly believe we need more control to make food safer (and contain less crap that passes for "preservatives"), and on the other hand, I don't want to see any regulations that would put small farmers out of business.

Punt.

My neighbors are a small family farm. One of the very few left. They personally are very concerned about this. I know I'd rather eat the beef they raise than that raised down the road in a feedlot (thank God that feed lot is south of us not north of us).

The problem you have with any regulation is that it is twisted to protect, defend and sponsor the corporates. My neighbors have never taken one dime of subsidies. They can their own food and I even watched and helped a little as they butchered a cow a few weeks ago. They have their own chickens and the eggs actually look like eggs should not some puny pukey yellow. Heck if people bought home-grown eggs that have always boughten store eggs, they would think something was wrong with the eggs.

If my neighbors wanted to buy the land next to them they would have to have their already paid for, long time family farm subjected to the same rules and bullshit that the farms who have taken subsidies go through. They may not mean much to most people but if you were told what you could farm and how you had to farm it you would be leery and very defensive about these types of legislation also. If you had spent the last thirty-five years watching the peiople around you being taken out by these farming bullies, banks and seed companies you would be juist like my neighbors possibly, possibly not as some people think they can get ahead of that curve that the control monsters have on this industry and many other industries in this country.

excuse spelling errors on a short time frame today

 

[RodISHI]

Thank you President Clinton/Obama for supporting toxic food, what next? Fill the food with mind numbing agents and ban Organic food too?

Better thank every other president in the last thirty years and the majority of congress for the current bullshit control system in place.

 

[amazing_rays]

What people aren't understanding is that in order to label anything organic, you must be upholding the Dept. of Ag. laws regarding what you are able to use to grow the food. If the laws are there, why aren't they enforced before making more laws. Truly stupid.

 

[Skull Pilot]

I can understand making it illegal to sell homegrown food products as that is unregulated. I have my doubts that any law would outlaw "growing, sharing, or trading" homegrown produce.

It's already been done. The precedent exists.

Wickard v. Filburn – Case Brief Summary

Facts

The Agriculture Adjustment Act of 1938 (AAA) set quotas on the amount of wheat put into interstate commerce and established penalties for overproduction. The goal of the Act was to stabilize the market price of wheat by preventing shortages or surpluses. Filburn (P) sold part of his wheat crop and used the rest for his own consumption. The amount of wheat Filburn produced for his own consumption combined with the amount he sold exceeded the amount he was permitted to produce.

Secretary of Agriculture Wickard (D) assessed a penalty against him. Filburn refused to pay, contending that the Act sought to limit local commercial activity and therefore was unconstitutional because it exceeded the scope of Congress’s power under the Commerce Clause.

Filburn brought this lawsuit seeking to enjoin enforcement of the Act and a declaratory judgment that the wheat marketing provisions of the AAA were unconstitutional for exceeding the scope of Congress’s commerce power. The court below, a district court panel of three judges, entered judgment for Filburn and the Supreme Court granted cert.
Issues

1. Can Congress regulate the production of wheat intended for personal use and not placed in interstate commerce?
2. Can Congress regulate trivial local, intrastate activities that have an aggregate effect on interstate commerce via the commerce power?

Holding and Rule (Jackson)

1. Yes. Congress can regulate the production of wheat intended for personal use and not placed in interstate commerce.
2. Yes. Congress can regulate trivial local, intrastate activities that have an aggregate effect on interstate commerce via the commerce power, even if the effect is indirect.

This is just another example of the fucking government using the commerce clause to control everything it can.