Sen. Rockefeller: FCC Should Take FOX News, MSNBC Off Airwaves

[Lonestar_logic]

I'd be in favor of some bi-partisan assigned "News" licenses..where it's assured that the stories that get reported are true. Bias is one thing. Complete or Semi falsehoods are another entirely.

Kinda like the difference between professional boxing and wrestling.

You dislike free speech as well huh?

 

[Article 15]

I read everything correctly, even the part where you backtracked.

No, you obviously didn't or you wouldn't say I backtracked.



Wow. Solid "logic" there. I think the way the Yankees operate is "bad" for baseball but I wouldn't vote to shut them down either.

About now is the time where you should be figuring out that both positions aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.

Which is it and what do you have against free speech?

Given your two moronic options, neither. Nothing.

Did you not say "FOXNews, MSNBC, and the 24 hour news cycle are a big reason why this country is spiraling the drain. The country would be better off without them" ?

And didn't say that you "if I had a vote to shut them down it would be a "Nay."

On one hand you say the country would be better off without them and on the other hand you say you wouldn't vote to get rid of the very thing thast you claim is causing this country to spiral down the drain.

So either you don't give a shit about this country or you don't actually believe the bullshit you spew.

Let's try option C, brainiac ... I believe exactly what I said but I also understand that it isn't my place nor the government's to shut them down. It's the whole "I may disagree with what you are saying but I would defend your right to say it," concept ... you know, free speech. I don't know how much more American it gets than to hold contempt for something that is Constitutionally protected yet when blessed with the power to do away it choosing not to do so.

 

[Sallow]

I'd be in favor of some bi-partisan assigned "News" licenses..where it's assured that the stories that get reported are true. Bias is one thing. Complete or Semi falsehoods are another entirely.

Kinda like the difference between professional boxing and wrestling.

Let me get this straight. You want the government to determine who does, and does not, get to call themselves a news organization. Just how do you think this will be a good thing?

It probably would be complicated..and I have no idea how to implement it. I've had some pretty fierce discussions about this with my friends in the press. They are totally against it.

It might be something along the lines of strengthening defamation/slander laws.

 

[Sallow]

I'd be in favor of some bi-partisan assigned "News" licenses..where it's assured that the stories that get reported are true. Bias is one thing. Complete or Semi falsehoods are another entirely.

Kinda like the difference between professional boxing and wrestling.

You dislike free speech as well huh?

I dislike lies and falsehoods.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

No, you obviously didn't or you wouldn't say I backtracked.



Wow. Solid "logic" there. I think the way the Yankees operate is "bad" for baseball but I wouldn't vote to shut them down either.

About now is the time where you should be figuring out that both positions aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.



Given your two moronic options, neither. Nothing.

Did you not say "FOXNews, MSNBC, and the 24 hour news cycle are a big reason why this country is spiraling the drain. The country would be better off without them" ?

And didn't say that you "if I had a vote to shut them down it would be a "Nay."

On one hand you say the country would be better off without them and on the other hand you say you wouldn't vote to get rid of the very thing thast you claim is causing this country to spiral down the drain.

So either you don't give a shit about this country or you don't actually believe the bullshit you spew.

Let's try option C, brainiac ... I believe exactly what I said but I also understand that it isn't my place nor the government's to shut them down. It's the whole "I may disagree with what you are saying but I would defend your right to say it," concept ... you know, free speech. I don't know how much more American it gets than to hold contempt for something that is Constitutionally protected yet when blessed with the power to do away it choosing not to do so.

Fair enough. But answer me this, what exactly is it about FOXNews, MSNBC, and the 24 hour news cycle that that makes you believe it is causing this country to spiral down the drain? And please be specific.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

I'd be in favor of some bi-partisan assigned "News" licenses..where it's assured that the stories that get reported are true. Bias is one thing. Complete or Semi falsehoods are another entirely.

Kinda like the difference between professional boxing and wrestling.

You dislike free speech as well huh?

I dislike lies and falsehoods.

Then you must really dislike Obama.

 

[Sallow]

You dislike free speech as well huh?

I dislike lies and falsehoods.

Then you must really dislike Obama.

Nope.

He's not as honest as Carter..but compared to Nixon, Reagan, BushI, BushII..the guy is practically a saint when it comes to truth telling.

 

[Article 15]

Did you not say "FOXNews, MSNBC, and the 24 hour news cycle are a big reason why this country is spiraling the drain. The country would be better off without them" ?

And didn't say that you "if I had a vote to shut them down it would be a "Nay."

On one hand you say the country would be better off without them and on the other hand you say you wouldn't vote to get rid of the very thing thast you claim is causing this country to spiral down the drain.

So either you don't give a shit about this country or you don't actually believe the bullshit you spew.

Let's try option C, brainiac ... I believe exactly what I said but I also understand that it isn't my place nor the government's to shut them down. It's the whole "I may disagree with what you are saying but I would defend your right to say it," concept ... you know, free speech. I don't know how much more American it gets than to hold contempt for something that is Constitutionally protected yet when blessed with the power to do away it choosing not to do so.

Fair enough. But answer me this, what exactly is it about FOXNews, MSNBC, and the 24 hour news cycle that that makes you believe it is causing this country to spiral down the drain? And please be specific.

I said all I needed to say. It basically boils down to their vested interest in widening the divide and keeping the outrage cranked up at all times.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

I dislike lies and falsehoods.

Then you must really dislike Obama.

Nope.

He's not as honest as Carter..but compared to Nixon, Reagan, BushI, BushII..the guy is practically a saint when it comes to truth telling.

Then you don't really dislike lies and falsehoods unless it comes from a Republican. Typical liberal hypocrite!

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Let's try option C, brainiac ... I believe exactly what I said but I also understand that it isn't my place nor the government's to shut them down. It's the whole "I may disagree with what you are saying but I would defend your right to say it," concept ... you know, free speech. I don't know how much more American it gets than to hold contempt for something that is Constitutionally protected yet when blessed with the power to do away it choosing not to do so.

Fair enough. But answer me this, what exactly is it about FOXNews, MSNBC, and the 24 hour news cycle that that makes you believe it is causing this country to spiral down the drain? And please be specific.

I said all I needed to say. It basically boils down to their vested interest in widening the divide and keeping the outrage cranked up at all times.

So you can't give specifics.

You concession is duly noted.

 

[Article 15]

Fair enough. But answer me this, what exactly is it about FOXNews, MSNBC, and the 24 hour news cycle that that makes you believe it is causing this country to spiral down the drain? And please be specific.

I said all I needed to say. It basically boils down to their vested interest in widening the divide and keeping the outrage cranked up at all times.

So you can't give specifics.

You concession is duly noted.

Please. Just because I chose not answer you question in depth doesn't mean I concede anything. It means I spent enough time spelling crap out to you.

Now go pat yourself on the back, Barry Horowitz.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

I said all I needed to say. It basically boils down to their vested interest in widening the divide and keeping the outrage cranked up at all times.

So you can't give specifics.

You concession is duly noted.

Please. Just because I chose not answer you question in depth doesn't mean I concede anything. It means I spent enough time spelling crap out to you.

Now go pat yourself on the back, Barry Horowitz.

You haven't spelled anything out and there lies your entire problem. You made a claim that you cannot back up with specifics therefore you conceded the discussion. But hey don't sweat it, it's a common M.O. for you liberal pukes that I'm quite accustomed to.

 

[Sallow]

Then you must really dislike Obama.

Nope.

He's not as honest as Carter..but compared to Nixon, Reagan, BushI, BushII..the guy is practically a saint when it comes to truth telling.

Then you don't really dislike lies and falsehoods unless it comes from a Republican. Typical liberal hypocrite!

Nixon broke into an opponents office:
Violated:

Amendment 4 - Search and Seizure. Ratified 12/15/1791.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Secretly bombed Cambodia and Laos:
Violated:

Section 8 - Powers of Congress
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

Reagan secretly sold weapons to Iran while supporting the Contras despite ratification of arms embargo against Iran and congress voting against funding the Contras:
Violated:

Section 7 - Revenue Bills, Legislative Process, Presidential Veto

All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.

Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States; If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by Yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively. If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.



Section 8 - Powers of Congress

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

Bush I lied about raising taxes during the campaign. (Full disclosure..I thought he was a pretty decent president)

Bush II lied about a whole lot of things..like invading Iraq. He also lied about getting warrants before implementing wiretaps. He also had secret prisons and lied about torture.

Violated:

Amendment 4 - Search and Seizure. Ratified 12/15/1791.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment 5 - Trial and Punishment, Compensation for Takings. Ratified 12/15/1791.

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment 6 - Right to Speedy Trial, Confrontation of Witnesses. Ratified 12/15/1791.

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

Like I said..I don't like lies.

I just don't sweat the small stuff.

 

[Sarah G]

Maybe just Fox, I like MSNBC..

Not really, I don't want them off the air, maybe a fine for every proven false comment. I'm certain Fox would be fined the most.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Nope.

He's not as honest as Carter..but compared to Nixon, Reagan, BushI, BushII..the guy is practically a saint when it comes to truth telling.

Then you don't really dislike lies and falsehoods unless it comes from a Republican. Typical liberal hypocrite!

Nixon broke into an opponents office:
Violated:

Secretly bombed Cambodia and Laos:
Violated:


Reagan secretly sold weapons to Iran while supporting the Contras despite ratification of arms embargo against Iran and congress voting against funding the Contras:
Violated:

Section 7 - Revenue Bills, Legislative Process, Presidential Veto

All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.

Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States; If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by Yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively. If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.



Section 8 - Powers of Congress

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

Bush I lied about raising taxes during the campaign. (Full disclosure..I thought he was a pretty decent president)

Bush II lied about a whole lot of things..like invading Iraq. He also lied about getting warrants before implementing wiretaps. He also had secret prisons and lied about torture.

Violated:

Amendment 4 - Search and Seizure. Ratified 12/15/1791.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment 5 - Trial and Punishment, Compensation for Takings. Ratified 12/15/1791.

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment 6 - Right to Speedy Trial, Confrontation of Witnesses. Ratified 12/15/1791.

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

Like I said..I don't like lies.

I just don't sweat the small stuff.

If all the accusations you made were in fact true, then why wasn't those people prosecuted?

 

[blu]

Oh look another idiot that hates free speech!

Oh look another idiot who lacks simple reading comprehension!

I read everything correctly, even the part where you backtracked. You say it's BAD for America but you wouldn't vote to eliminate it, so either you don't think it's all that bad or you don't give a shit about America.

Which is it and what do you have against free speech?

Fallacy: False Dilemma

 

[blu]

Oh look another idiot who lacks simple reading comprehension!

I read everything correctly, even the part where you backtracked.

No, you obviously didn't or you wouldn't say I backtracked.

You say it's BAD for America but you wouldn't vote to eliminate it, so either you don't think it's all that bad or you don't give a shit about America.

Wow. Solid "logic" there. I think the way the Yankees operate is "bad" for baseball but I wouldn't vote to shut them down either.

About now is the time where you should be figuring out that both positions aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.

Which is it and what do you have against free speech?

Given your two moronic options, neither. Nothing.

I tried to help him out:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/congr...ox-news-msnbc-off-airwaves-8.html#post3013295

 

[blu]

I'd be in favor of some bi-partisan assigned "News" licenses..where it's assured that the stories that get reported are true. Bias is one thing. Complete or Semi falsehoods are another entirely.

Kinda like the difference between professional boxing and wrestling.

the government determing the news is probably the worst thing I ever heard. I would rather have hundreds of FOX and msnbc like channels before that

 

[blu]

I read everything correctly, even the part where you backtracked.

No, you obviously didn't or you wouldn't say I backtracked.



Wow. Solid "logic" there. I think the way the Yankees operate is "bad" for baseball but I wouldn't vote to shut them down either.

About now is the time where you should be figuring out that both positions aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.

Which is it and what do you have against free speech?

Given your two moronic options, neither. Nothing.

Did you not say "FOXNews, MSNBC, and the 24 hour news cycle are a big reason why this country is spiraling the drain. The country would be better off without them" ?

And didn't say that you "if I had a vote to shut them down it would be a "Nay."

On one hand you say the country would be better off without them and on the other hand you say you wouldn't vote to get rid of the very thing thast you claim is causing this country to spiral down the drain.

So either you don't give a shit about this country or you don't actually believe the bullshit you spew.

or he simply wouldn't vote for something unconstitutional, no matter how he feels on it. your logic is flawed

 

[blu]

I'd be in favor of some bi-partisan assigned "News" licenses..where it's assured that the stories that get reported are true. Bias is one thing. Complete or Semi falsehoods are another entirely.

Kinda like the difference between professional boxing and wrestling.

Let me get this straight. You want the government to determine who does, and does not, get to call themselves a news organization. Just how do you think this will be a good thing?