Scott Brown Calls Out Obama Dems

[Sinatra]

Man, I wonder where all you people were when the Republicans were using reconciliation 16 times out of the 19 times it has been used since it's inception?

How does the fact the republicans were turds when they did this make the democrats doing it better? Is that how you justify bad behavior, by pointing to other bad behavior?

A better question is where were you?

Indeed!

 

[Cuyo]

Man, I wonder where all you people were when the Republicans were using reconciliation 16 times out of the 19 times it has been used since it's inception?

Did any of those 16 times change or affect 17% of our entire economy? And how many of those 16 actually would have passed without it, ie had 60+ votes anyway?

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[The T]

Man, I wonder where all you people were when the Republicans were using reconciliation 16 times out of the 19 times it has been used since it's inception?

How does the fact the republicans were turds when they did this make the democrats doing it better? Is that how you justify bad behavior, by pointing to other bad behavior?

A better question is where were you?

Indeed!

I add to the applause...

 

[The T]

In very short order, Senator Brown is effectively utilizing his political influence to rebuke Obama's intended nuclear option on Obamacare...


YouTube - Scott Brown Reacts To Democrats Using Reconciliation To Pass Health Care

As he should. Now how many will SEE this? How many of the major Networks will show this? How many will stifle this?

Major to the latter IMHO. Good find BTW?
They cannot shed bad light on their 'Messiah'.

 

[The T]

I can't help thinking that all the DC morons will do is pass their laws, and revoke the oppositions. If the dems pass healthcare the GOP will win and undo it. None of their stupid laws last past the next regime.

Is not that simple. For one the President can veto any bill to remove the entitlement. And unless we have some unheard of change in congress even if the Republicans take both Houses back it wont be by enough to over ride a veto.

No offense? But you discount the WILL of the people my friend. THAT is the BIG reason this hasn't passed in an election year. AND WILL NOT even though Reid, Pelosi, and Obama want these politicians to FALL upomn the proverbial sword. It isn't gonna happen. They don't and WON'T have the votes.

 

[del]

Man, I wonder where all you people were when the Republicans were using reconciliation 16 times out of the 19 times it has been used since it's inception?

Did any of those 16 times change or affect 17% of our entire economy? And how many of those 16 actually would have passed without it, ie had 60+ votes anyway?

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[The T]

Did any of those 16 times change or affect 17% of our entire economy? And how many of those 16 actually would have passed without it, ie had 60+ votes anyway?

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[The T]

Barry won't accept that challenge.

He hasn't the NADS to do it. It's that simple. His malignant narcissism PROHIBITS him from it. He cannot nor understands the word NO.

 

[Rinata]

In very short order, Senator Brown is effectively utilizing his political influence to rebuke Obama's intended nuclear option on Obamacare...


YouTube - Scott Brown Reacts To Democrats Using Reconciliation To Pass Health Care

Nuclear option??? How many times do you stupid conservatives have to be told that that particular term is being used incorrectly by conservatives??? I love this piece from Media Matters on this topic:

As we've documented extensively over the past year, conservatives have waged an ongoing campaign to re-brand the process of reconciliation as the "nuclear option." Feel free to read any of the hundred or so examples from our archives to get the full story, but to put it briefly: this is outrageously dishonest. The "nuclear option" was a term coined by Sen. Trent Lott (R-MS) in reference to his proposed change to Senate rules that would have banned use of the filibuster for judicial nominations.

Reconciliation, on the other hand, requires no change to Senate rules since it has been used repeatedly over the years to pass major legislation - notably to pass major pieces of health care reform legislation. Republicans themselves weren't quite so uncomfortable with the supposedly "dirty" process when they used it to pass President Bush's tax cuts. Multiple times.

To a cynic, the reason for this re-branding might have appeared to be that conservatives were concerned that Democrats would use reconciliation to pass portions of health care reform. And lo and behold, with reports surfacing in the past few days that Democrats are again considering using reconciliation for health care reform (which, as NPR noted today, is consistent with the long history of the use of reconciliation in health care bills,) conservatives are redoubling their efforts.

Here's how the trick works:

Today, conservative media are furiously promoting a video posted at Breitbart TV, titled:"Obama & Dems in 2005: 51 Vote 'Nuclear Option' Is 'Arrogant' Power Grab Against the Founder's Intent." You can probably guess where this is going.

Among others, the video has been picked up by Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, CPAC "Blogger of the Year" Ed Morrissey, Matt Drudge, and, of course, Fox Nation:

In a jaw-dropping display of audacity, the video runs several examples of Democrats railing against the "nuclear option" in 2005. The video attempts to juxtapose this with their current support for reconciliation to show their supposed hypocrisy.

This is absurd.

The Democrats in the video are railing against the "nuclear option" as defined by Lott, not the new definition conservatives have decided to bestow upon the phrase. On his radio show, Beck called the video "laughable" and "unbelievable." I agree with those characterizations, but for slightly different reasons.

To prove a point, I propose we change the definition of "deficits" to mean "freedom," then put together a reel of conservatives attacking "freedom."

It would be about as honest.

"Nuclear Option" stupidity comes full circle | Media Matters for America

 

[WillowTree]

In very short order, Senator Brown is effectively utilizing his political influence to rebuke Obama's intended nuclear option on Obamacare...


YouTube - Scott Brown Reacts To Democrats Using Reconciliation To Pass Health Care

Nuclear option??? How many times do you stupid conservatives have to be told that that particular term is being used incorrectly by conservatives??? I love this piece from Media Matters on this topic:

As we've documented extensively over the past year, conservatives have waged an ongoing campaign to re-brand the process of reconciliation as the "nuclear option." Feel free to read any of the hundred or so examples from our archives to get the full story, but to put it briefly: this is outrageously dishonest. The "nuclear option" was a term coined by Sen. Trent Lott (R-MS) in reference to his proposed change to Senate rules that would have banned use of the filibuster for judicial nominations.

Reconciliation, on the other hand, requires no change to Senate rules since it has been used repeatedly over the years to pass major legislation - notably to pass major pieces of health care reform legislation. Republicans themselves weren't quite so uncomfortable with the supposedly "dirty" process when they used it to pass President Bush's tax cuts. Multiple times.

To a cynic, the reason for this re-branding might have appeared to be that conservatives were concerned that Democrats would use reconciliation to pass portions of health care reform. And lo and behold, with reports surfacing in the past few days that Democrats are again considering using reconciliation for health care reform (which, as NPR noted today, is consistent with the long history of the use of reconciliation in health care bills,) conservatives are redoubling their efforts.

Here's how the trick works:

Today, conservative media are furiously promoting a video posted at Breitbart TV, titled:"Obama & Dems in 2005: 51 Vote 'Nuclear Option' Is 'Arrogant' Power Grab Against the Founder's Intent." You can probably guess where this is going.

Among others, the video has been picked up by Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, CPAC "Blogger of the Year" Ed Morrissey, Matt Drudge, and, of course, Fox Nation:

In a jaw-dropping display of audacity, the video runs several examples of Democrats railing against the "nuclear option" in 2005. The video attempts to juxtapose this with their current support for reconciliation to show their supposed hypocrisy.

This is absurd.

The Democrats in the video are railing against the "nuclear option" as defined by Lott, not the new definition conservatives have decided to bestow upon the phrase. On his radio show, Beck called the video "laughable" and "unbelievable." I agree with those characterizations, but for slightly different reasons.

To prove a point, I propose we change the definition of "deficits" to mean "freedom," then put together a reel of conservatives attacking "freedom."

It would be about as honest.

"Nuclear Option" stupidity comes full circle | Media Matters for America

you never have an original thought do ya? you little kool aid drinker you. What does Media Matters have to say about the outrage displayed by the dimocwats when the Republicans used "reconcilliation"? Huh? can't hear ya??? Hello? "Reconcilliation is such a sweet non threatenings sorta word ain't it? That's why dimoncwats donna wanna hear about "nuclear options" all of a sudden innit?

 

[The T]

In very short order, Senator Brown is effectively utilizing his political influence to rebuke Obama's intended nuclear option on Obamacare...


YouTube - Scott Brown Reacts To Democrats Using Reconciliation To Pass Health Care

Nuclear option??? How many times do you stupid conservatives have to be told that that particular term is being used incorrectly by conservatives??? I love this piece from Media Matters on this topic:

As we've documented extensively over the past year, conservatives have waged an ongoing campaign to re-brand the process of reconciliation as the "nuclear option." Feel free to read any of the hundred or so examples from our archives to get the full story, but to put it briefly: this is outrageously dishonest. The "nuclear option" was a term coined by Sen. Trent Lott (R-MS) in reference to his proposed change to Senate rules that would have banned use of the filibuster for judicial nominations.

Reconciliation, on the other hand, requires no change to Senate rules since it has been used repeatedly over the years to pass major legislation - notably to pass major pieces of health care reform legislation. Republicans themselves weren't quite so uncomfortable with the supposedly "dirty" process when they used it to pass President Bush's tax cuts. Multiple times.

To a cynic, the reason for this re-branding might have appeared to be that conservatives were concerned that Democrats would use reconciliation to pass portions of health care reform. And lo and behold, with reports surfacing in the past few days that Democrats are again considering using reconciliation for health care reform (which, as NPR noted today, is consistent with the long history of the use of reconciliation in health care bills,) conservatives are redoubling their efforts.

Here's how the trick works:

Today, conservative media are furiously promoting a video posted at Breitbart TV, titled:"Obama & Dems in 2005: 51 Vote 'Nuclear Option' Is 'Arrogant' Power Grab Against the Founder's Intent." You can probably guess where this is going.

Among others, the video has been picked up by Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, CPAC "Blogger of the Year" Ed Morrissey, Matt Drudge, and, of course, Fox Nation:

In a jaw-dropping display of audacity, the video runs several examples of Democrats railing against the "nuclear option" in 2005. The video attempts to juxtapose this with their current support for reconciliation to show their supposed hypocrisy.

This is absurd.

The Democrats in the video are railing against the "nuclear option" as defined by Lott, not the new definition conservatives have decided to bestow upon the phrase. On his radio show, Beck called the video "laughable" and "unbelievable." I agree with those characterizations, but for slightly different reasons.

To prove a point, I propose we change the definition of "deficits" to mean "freedom," then put together a reel of conservatives attacking "freedom."

It would be about as honest.

"Nuclear Option" stupidity comes full circle | Media Matters for America

To boil this down? Perhaps you MISSED what Obama has said on this topic, shithead...

He was For it, then against it, and FOR it as a Senator?

Media matters? Tell Mr. Shithead Soros that *I* said hello...

As a senator, President Obama wasn't so keen on 'reconciliation'

By Other Voices

March 01, 2010, 4:07AM

The nation watched with great interest the kabuki political theater called the health care summit. The president advanced the notion that both sides were ever so close to agreement and should push forward because the people are demanding it.

With all due respect, the president is wrong. The two sides have fundamentally different approaches to addressing health care issues. President Barack Obama's portrayal of the situation as being essentially two sides of the same coin is a transparent attempt to portray any continuing opposition as being "simply political." Consequently, we should push forward using any means necessary.

The president concluded the summit by foreshadowing the next move: Congressional liberals will ram this 2,000-plus-page behemoth down our throats using "reconciliation," previously referred to as the "nuclear option" under a Republican Congress. (Gee, which term sounds nasty and which sounds nice?) At that time, Sen. Obama was vehemently opposed to this 51-vote tactic.

When, not if, liberals in Congress make this move, I trust President Obama will either veto the bill or provide a cogent argument explaining his sudden change of heart. Could the post-partisan president's former "principled" stand have been simply political?

___________________________

Try again. Double standards are passe. And *I* call YOU on it.

 

[Cuyo]

With all due respect, the president is wrong. The two sides have fundamentally different approaches to addressing health care issues. President Barack Obama's portrayal of the situation as being essentially two sides of the same coin is a transparent attempt to portray any continuing opposition as being "simply political." Consequently, we should push forward using any means necessary.

The republicans do not want any reform. They've been out for blood since the get go, that's why all they've done is tried to kill it, in spite of efforts for bipartisanship.

Elephant, meet room.

 

[Oscar Wao]

Cuyo, you know that's intellectually dishonest.

 

[The T]

With all due respect, the president is wrong. The two sides have fundamentally different approaches to addressing health care issues. President Barack Obama's portrayal of the situation as being essentially two sides of the same coin is a transparent attempt to portray any continuing opposition as being "simply political." Consequently, we should push forward using any means necessary.

The republicans do not want any reform. They've been out for blood since the get go, that's why all they've done is tried to kill it, in spite of efforts for bipartisanship.

Elephant, meet room.

Was that "Bipartisanship" we saw when EVERY measure by Republicans was shot down in comittee BEFORE Obama's Nice little 'Dog and Pony show a couple weeks ago? [In both the HOUSE and SENATE]? They're ON RECORD if you would take time to LOOK and educate yourself.

Republicans again, cannot stop Diddly SQUAT. The offered alternatives...Democrats never let it into the discussion. The willing accomplices in the media NEVER told you this. EDUCATE yourself.

The ONLY reason for it being stopped was that the PEOPLE said NO...and Obama thought WRONG thinking it was just a matter of 'BIPARTISANSHIP'?
You are eating the OBAMA twinkie presented to you. You took the BAIT.

Like a poor player? Obama fumbled. SO did YOU.

The Republicans camed ARMED and Obama called it PROPS...when they had the Documents stacked in front of them...HIS and the Statist Democrats' Own Friggin BILL(Nevermind that is what the meeting was supposed to be about...Obama FAILED).

Obama missed the BOAT, and is barking UP the wrong tree. Republicans can't right now block SQUAT. Obama's TRUE enemies ARE the Amrican People that *HE* has launched a WAR against.

Had the PEOPLE not interfered by threats of an impending Political BLOODBATH in November? This would have BEEN LAW by now. Republicans as to your arguement are a non sequiter. *YOU FAIL*

You may CEASE blaming Republicans, and at the same time sign up for a *REMEDIAL* course in Politics 101 at your nearest DNC headquarters .

Fact is? *YOU FAIL* outright.

 

[Oscar Wao]

With all due respect, the president is wrong. The two sides have fundamentally different approaches to addressing health care issues. President Barack Obama's portrayal of the situation as being essentially two sides of the same coin is a transparent attempt to portray any continuing opposition as being "simply political." Consequently, we should push forward using any means necessary.

The republicans do not want any reform. They've been out for blood since the get go, that's why all they've done is tried to kill it, in spite of efforts for bipartisanship.

Elephant, meet room.

Oh, and if you have even a mere high school level knowledge of economics, you'd know that trying to drastically change an industry that's 1/6th of the economy is not the wisest thing to do when said economy is in crisis.

 

[Cuyo]

With all due respect, the president is wrong. The two sides have fundamentally different approaches to addressing health care issues. President Barack Obama's portrayal of the situation as being essentially two sides of the same coin is a transparent attempt to portray any continuing opposition as being "simply political." Consequently, we should push forward using any means necessary.

The republicans do not want any reform. They've been out for blood since the get go, that's why all they've done is tried to kill it, in spite of efforts for bipartisanship.

Elephant, meet room.

Was that "Bipartisanship" we saw when EVERY measure by Republicans was shot down in comittee BEFORE Obama's Nice little 'Dog and Pony show a couple weeks ago? [In both the HOUSE and SENATE]? They're ON RECORD if you would take time to LOOK and educate yourself.

Republicans again, cannot stop Diddly SQUAT. The offered alternatives...Democrats never let it into the discussion. The willing accomplices in the media NEVER told you this. EDUCATE yourself.

The ONLY reason for it being stopped was that the PEOPLE said NO...and Obama thought WRONG thinking it was just a matter of 'BIPARTISANSHIP'?
You are eating the OBAMA twinkie presented to you. You took the BAIT.

Like a poor player? Obama fumbled. SO did YOU.

The Republicans camed ARMED and Obama called it PROPS...when they had the Documents stacked in front of them...HIS and the Statist Democrats' Own Friggin BILL(Nevermind that is what the meeting was supposed to be about...Obama FAILED).

Obama missed the BOAT, and is barking UP the wrong tree. Republicans can't right now block SQUAT. Obama's TRUE enemies ARE the Amrican People that *HE* has launched a WAR against.

Had the PEOPLE not interfered by threats of an impending Political BLOODBATH in November? This would have BEEN LAW by now. Republicans as to your arguement are a non sequiter. *YOU FAIL*

You may CEASE blaming Republicans, and at the same time sign up for a *REMEDIAL* course in Politics 101 at your nearest DNC headquarters .

Fact is? *YOU FAIL* outright.

Did Mark Levin teach you that?

 

[The T]

The republicans do not want any reform. They've been out for blood since the get go, that's why all they've done is tried to kill it, in spite of efforts for bipartisanship.

Elephant, meet room.

Was that "Bipartisanship" we saw when EVERY measure by Republicans was shot down in comittee BEFORE Obama's Nice little 'Dog and Pony show a couple weeks ago? [In both the HOUSE and SENATE]? They're ON RECORD if you would take time to LOOK and educate yourself.

Republicans again, cannot stop Diddly SQUAT. The offered alternatives...Democrats never let it into the discussion. The willing accomplices in the media NEVER told you this. EDUCATE yourself.

The ONLY reason for it being stopped was that the PEOPLE said NO...and Obama thought WRONG thinking it was just a matter of 'BIPARTISANSHIP'?
You are eating the OBAMA twinkie presented to you. You took the BAIT.

Like a poor player? Obama fumbled. SO did YOU.

The Republicans camed ARMED and Obama called it PROPS...when they had the Documents stacked in front of them...HIS and the Statist Democrats' Own Friggin BILL(Nevermind that is what the meeting was supposed to be about...Obama FAILED).

Obama missed the BOAT, and is barking UP the wrong tree. Republicans can't right now block SQUAT. Obama's TRUE enemies ARE the Amrican People that *HE* has launched a WAR against.

Had the PEOPLE not interfered by threats of an impending Political BLOODBATH in November? This would have BEEN LAW by now. Republicans as to your arguement are a non sequiter. *YOU FAIL*

You may CEASE blaming Republicans, and at the same time sign up for a *REMEDIAL* course in Politics 101 at your nearest DNC headquarters .

Fact is? *YOU FAIL* outright.

Did Mark Levin teach you that?

Observation. As to Levin? It would be an answer I would expect.

 

[Cuyo]

Was that "Bipartisanship" we saw when EVERY measure by Republicans was shot down in comittee BEFORE Obama's Nice little 'Dog and Pony show a couple weeks ago? [In both the HOUSE and SENATE]? They're ON RECORD if you would take time to LOOK and educate yourself.

Republicans again, cannot stop Diddly SQUAT. The offered alternatives...Democrats never let it into the discussion. The willing accomplices in the media NEVER told you this. EDUCATE yourself.

The ONLY reason for it being stopped was that the PEOPLE said NO...and Obama thought WRONG thinking it was just a matter of 'BIPARTISANSHIP'?
You are eating the OBAMA twinkie presented to you. You took the BAIT.

Like a poor player? Obama fumbled. SO did YOU.

The Republicans camed ARMED and Obama called it PROPS...when they had the Documents stacked in front of them...HIS and the Statist Democrats' Own Friggin BILL(Nevermind that is what the meeting was supposed to be about...Obama FAILED).

Obama missed the BOAT, and is barking UP the wrong tree. Republicans can't right now block SQUAT. Obama's TRUE enemies ARE the Amrican People that *HE* has launched a WAR against.

Had the PEOPLE not interfered by threats of an impending Political BLOODBATH in November? This would have BEEN LAW by now. Republicans as to your arguement are a non sequiter. *YOU FAIL*

You may CEASE blaming Republicans, and at the same time sign up for a *REMEDIAL* course in Politics 101 at your nearest DNC headquarters .

Fact is? *YOU FAIL* outright.

Did Mark Levin teach you that?

Observation. As to Levin? It would be an answer I would expect.

I'd love to give you a debate, T, and I could address everything you said. I hope you believe that.

But the ad homonym, along with your overall contempt for everyone who disagrees with your pov, leads me to believe it would be futile.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

I can't help thinking that all the DC morons will do is pass their laws, and revoke the oppositions. If the dems pass healthcare the GOP will win and undo it. None of their stupid laws last past the next regime.

Is not that simple. For one the President can veto any bill to remove the entitlement. And unless we have some unheard of change in congress even if the Republicans take both Houses back it wont be by enough to over ride a veto.

Not really. They can just refuse to authorize funds for the program. And Obama won't be president forever. At least not at this point. Remember, the healthcare program doesn't actually kick in until 2012 even though taxes start right away.

When the Congress changes over to Republican in 2010, I want them to order Obama to sign a Bill that repeals Health Care. If he doesn't, then I want Congress to not appropriate money for running the Obama government until he does. This is why we must STOP ObamaCare rather than having to deal with repealing it. It won't be fun but we must insist this be done.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Brown comes out and calls for people to contact their Reps and Senators and tell them, "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH".

That is a solid rebuke of Obama, the Obama Dems, and Obamacare - and given Brown's current and considerable political status - a powerful rebuke at that...

And includes the republicans as well.

The Republican are not running the show; it's the Democrats mess we are dealing with here. Republicans are blameless when it comes to the healthcare bill.