"Science Without Religion Is Lame"

[Tuatara]

Can you name any Monarch who slaughtered over 100 million of his/her own citizens?

100 million??

The slaughter in Russia was bad enough without the drastically overblown numbers you throw out. Really, how dishonest. Researchers are finding the first numbers were too high but most have stated that the actual deaths attributed to Stalin is around 9 million which includes German POWs.

False.

Stalin....42,672,000

Mao.....37,828,000

Hitler....20,946,000

Lenin....4,017,000

Pol Pot...2,397,000

Tojo.....3,990,000

Total......111,850,000

#14 Liberal Demagoguery, Hate and Violence – A Compendium

You better check your facts. Some of those men where religious and some had help from various churches. Strange how you only compare one monarch against several despot regimes. If you included all monarchs the scales would tip the other way. It is argued whether Hitler was religious or not. One thing for sure was the vast majority of the Nazi party were religious and they had full support from the church. Religious people and non-religious people have killed millions. Only an idiot would pretend that their side is absolved from any mass murders.

If you want a pissing contest about whose side killed more look no further than religion. Hands down has everyone beat.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Can you name any Monarch who slaughtered over 100 million of his/her own citizens?

100 million??

The slaughter in Russia was bad enough without the drastically overblown numbers you throw out. Really, how dishonest. Researchers are finding the first numbers were too high but most have stated that the actual deaths attributed to Stalin is around 9 million which includes German POWs.

False.

Stalin....42,672,000

Mao.....37,828,000

Hitler....20,946,000

Lenin....4,017,000

Pol Pot...2,397,000

Tojo.....3,990,000

Total......111,850,000

#14 Liberal Demagoguery, Hate and Violence – A Compendium

You better check your facts. Some of those men where religious and some had help from various churches. Strange how you only compare one monarch against several despot regimes. If you included all monarchs the scales would tip the other way. It is argued whether Hitler was religious or not. One thing for sure was the vast majority of the Nazi party were religious and they had full support from the church. Religious people and non-religious people have killed millions. Only an idiot would pretend that their side is absolved from any mass murders.

If you want a pissing contest about whose side killed more look no further than religion. Hands down has everyone beat.

Really?

Watch me bury you:

'The total number of deaths estimated to lie at the feet of humanity's poor practice of Christianity is approximately 17 million. This number would include ancient wars, the Crusades, the Inquisitions, various European wars during the Middle Ages, and witchcraft trials.

-- DEATHS ATTRIBUTED TO NON-CHRISTIANITY

Now let's look at the number of killings attributed to non-Christianity, including atheism and other anti-religious forces. To be conservative, we will limit the count of anti-religious killings to the last seventy years or so.

First, from the early 1930's to 1945, Hitler's Germany exterminated 6 million Jews and killed about 9 million Christians. Although Hitler was an occultist, he chose the swastika for Germany's emblem; a symbol ancient German Christians used (as did Buddhists). The swastika appeared in the brick work of an old boyhood school he attended of which he had fond memories ("The SS, Alibi of a Nation" by Gerald Reitlinger). But Hitler loathed Christianity as much as Judaism, as he stated in one of his shrill orations,

Historically speaking, the Christian religion is nothing but a Jewish sect... After the destruction of Judaism, the extinction of Christian slave morals must follow logically... We are fighting against the perversion of our soundest instincts. ...That poison with which both Jews and Christians have spoiled and soiled the free, wonderful instincts of man and lowered them to the level of doglike fright. 3

Second, the Stalin purges in the Russian republics prior to and continuing after World War II killed roughly 40 to 60 million people; nearly wiping out every Christian church under Stalin's domain. 2

Third, following World War II, China saw to the end of more than 24 million lives during the first ten years of Mao's takeover 4, another 25 million killed or intentionally starved between 1959 and 1962 5, plus an additional 22 million killings in the 1970's Great Proletariat Cultural Revolution. 6

Fourth, Cambodia suffered more than 2 million killed in its own bloody transition to anti-religious communism after United States forces suffered the fall of what was called Saigon and then largely withdrew from the region.

Fifth, the more recent rulerships within Ethiopia, Uganda, Rwanda,Sudan, and Iraq have each killed, systematically starved, or chemically or biologically poisoned hundreds of thousands of their own citizens. It will likely be decades before full numbers are tallied for these ongoing situations. (Since some would argue these are attributable to Islam, I will omit them from the tally.)

And sixth, for those who accept abortion as intentional killing (it clearly is, but the debate is over what is actually being killed), an additional 30 million or more cases in the United States alone could be added to the number of irreligious killings (the estimate for the total number of abortions worldwide over the last century is approximately one billion). 7

So to everyone familiar with the Bible's instructions for human conduct, it is obvious which actions throughout history have been truly representative of God and the Bible, and which have not. Any murder in the name of Christ is wrong. But as we have seen, the greatest acts of crime and killing have not been instigated by people professing to follow Jesus. The numbers:

• Judaism and Christianity throughout history: 17,000,000
• Anti- or irreligious forces over the last 100 years:

6,000,000 + 9,000,000 + 40,000,000 + 24,000,000 + 25,000,000 + 22,000,000 + 2,000,000 + 1,000,000,000 = 1,128,000,000'
Isn't religion to blame for most of history's killings?


Every dunce.....that would be you....who attempts to mitigate, support, apologize for, every totalitarian homicidal regime tries the same thing.
Hardly a coincidence that their worldview requires atheism.

 

[Tuatara]

Really?

Watch me bury you:

'The total number of deaths estimated to lie at the feet of humanity's poor practice of Christianity is approximately 17 million. This number would include ancient wars, the Crusades, the Inquisitions, various European wars during the Middle Ages, and witchcraft trials.

-- DEATHS ATTRIBUTED TO NON-CHRISTIANITY

Now let's look at the number of killings attributed to non-Christianity, including atheism and other anti-religious forces. To be conservative, we will limit the count of anti-religious killings to the last seventy years or so.

First, from the early 1930's to 1945, Hitler's Germany exterminated 6 million Jews and killed about 9 million Christians. Although Hitler was an occultist, he chose the swastika for Germany's emblem; a symbol ancient German Christians used (as did Buddhists). The swastika appeared in the brick work of an old boyhood school he attended of which he had fond memories ("The SS, Alibi of a Nation" by Gerald Reitlinger). But Hitler loathed Christianity as much as Judaism, as he stated in one of his shrill orations,

Historically speaking, the Christian religion is nothing but a Jewish sect... After the destruction of Judaism, the extinction of Christian slave morals must follow logically... We are fighting against the perversion of our soundest instincts. ...That poison with which both Jews and Christians have spoiled and soiled the free, wonderful instincts of man and lowered them to the level of doglike fright. 3

One of the first points I made was the Nazis and all of the high members of the Nazi party were Christians. Hitler has stated in public that he too was a Christian. Yes we a person claim Hitler announced that he was not a christian in private but no documents to back it up. Your second paragraph was not said by Hitler but by Herman Rauschning.
The authenticity of the discussions Rauschning claims to have had with Hitler between 1932 and 1934, which form the basis of his book 'Hitler Speaks', was challenged shortly after Rauschning's death by Swiss researcher Wolfgang Hänel. Hänel declared that 'Gespräche mit Hitler' (the German title of Hitler Speaks) was a fraud and that the book has no value "except as a document of Allied war propaganda".

I noticed you completely glossed over the part where I stated the Nazis has complete approval of the church.

Second, the Stalin purges in the Russian republics prior to and continuing after World War II killed roughly 40 to 60 million people; nearly wiping out every Christian church under Stalin's domain

Sorry but these numbers are ridiculously over-inflated. These numbers consist of people killed on both sides of the war and people killed by the famine. These numbers sound like R. J. Rummel's who has since been criticized for grossly inflating the numbers for political purposes.
Crappy Town: Why RJ Rummel Shouldn't Be Taken Seriously

Third, following World War II, China saw to the end of more than 24 million lives during the first ten years of Mao's takeover 4, another 25 million killed or intentionally starved between 1959 and 1962 5, plus an additional 22 million killings in the 1970's Great Proletariat Cultural Revolution.

More grossly inflated numbers on both sides of the revolution. You need to get a source that isn't so biased.

Fourth, Cambodia suffered more than 2 million killed in its own bloody transition to anti-religious communism after United States forces suffered the fall of what was called Saigon and then largely withdrew from the region.

The rise if the Khmer Rouge wouldn't have happened if the US didn't bomb the whole country side of Cambodia to smithereens and don't forget the US supported the Khmer Rouge. Also Pol Pot was not a communist. Pol Pot was defeated by the Communists.
"Who Is And Was Really Responsible for Genocide in Cambodia?"

Fifth, the more recent rulerships within Ethiopia, Uganda, Rwanda,Sudan, and Iraq have each killed, systematically starved, or chemically or biologically poisoned hundreds of thousands of their own citizens. It will likely be decades before full numbers are tallied for these ongoing situations. (Since some would argue these are attributable to Islam, I will omit them from the tally.)

Why were they even brought up? Instead of just omitting them they should be brought to the religious side.

And sixth, for those who accept abortion as intentional killing

Doesn't fit the description. Also no one knows the actual religious position of anyone who has pereformed an abortion whether it be done by a doctor or on their ow. I do know that most women in the US who get abortions are Christians.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Really?

Watch me bury you:

'The total number of deaths estimated to lie at the feet of humanity's poor practice of Christianity is approximately 17 million. This number would include ancient wars, the Crusades, the Inquisitions, various European wars during the Middle Ages, and witchcraft trials.

-- DEATHS ATTRIBUTED TO NON-CHRISTIANITY

Now let's look at the number of killings attributed to non-Christianity, including atheism and other anti-religious forces. To be conservative, we will limit the count of anti-religious killings to the last seventy years or so.

First, from the early 1930's to 1945, Hitler's Germany exterminated 6 million Jews and killed about 9 million Christians. Although Hitler was an occultist, he chose the swastika for Germany's emblem; a symbol ancient German Christians used (as did Buddhists). The swastika appeared in the brick work of an old boyhood school he attended of which he had fond memories ("The SS, Alibi of a Nation" by Gerald Reitlinger). But Hitler loathed Christianity as much as Judaism, as he stated in one of his shrill orations,

Historically speaking, the Christian religion is nothing but a Jewish sect... After the destruction of Judaism, the extinction of Christian slave morals must follow logically... We are fighting against the perversion of our soundest instincts. ...That poison with which both Jews and Christians have spoiled and soiled the free, wonderful instincts of man and lowered them to the level of doglike fright. 3

One of the first points I made was the Nazis and all of the high members of the Nazi party were Christians. Hitler has stated in public that he too was a Christian. Yes we a person claim Hitler announced that he was not a christian in private but no documents to back it up. Your second paragraph was not said by Hitler but by Herman Rauschning.
The authenticity of the discussions Rauschning claims to have had with Hitler between 1932 and 1934, which form the basis of his book 'Hitler Speaks', was challenged shortly after Rauschning's death by Swiss researcher Wolfgang Hänel. Hänel declared that 'Gespräche mit Hitler' (the German title of Hitler Speaks) was a fraud and that the book has no value "except as a document of Allied war propaganda".

I noticed you completely glossed over the part where I stated the Nazis has complete approval of the church.

Second, the Stalin purges in the Russian republics prior to and continuing after World War II killed roughly 40 to 60 million people; nearly wiping out every Christian church under Stalin's domain

Sorry but these numbers are ridiculously over-inflated. These numbers consist of people killed on both sides of the war and people killed by the famine. These numbers sound like R. J. Rummel's who has since been criticized for grossly inflating the numbers for political purposes.
Crappy Town: Why RJ Rummel Shouldn't Be Taken Seriously

Third, following World War II, China saw to the end of more than 24 million lives during the first ten years of Mao's takeover 4, another 25 million killed or intentionally starved between 1959 and 1962 5, plus an additional 22 million killings in the 1970's Great Proletariat Cultural Revolution.

More grossly inflated numbers on both sides of the revolution. You need to get a source that isn't so biased.

Fourth, Cambodia suffered more than 2 million killed in its own bloody transition to anti-religious communism after United States forces suffered the fall of what was called Saigon and then largely withdrew from the region.

The rise if the Khmer Rouge wouldn't have happened if the US didn't bomb the whole country side of Cambodia to smithereens and don't forget the US supported the Khmer Rouge. Also Pol Pot was not a communist. Pol Pot was defeated by the Communists.
"Who Is And Was Really Responsible for Genocide in Cambodia?"

Fifth, the more recent rulerships within Ethiopia, Uganda, Rwanda,Sudan, and Iraq have each killed, systematically starved, or chemically or biologically poisoned hundreds of thousands of their own citizens. It will likely be decades before full numbers are tallied for these ongoing situations. (Since some would argue these are attributable to Islam, I will omit them from the tally.)

Why were they even brought up? Instead of just omitting them they should be brought to the religious side.

And sixth, for those who accept abortion as intentional killing

Doesn't fit the description. Also no one knows the actual religious position of anyone who has pereformed an abortion whether it be done by a doctor or on their ow. I do know that most women in the US who get abortions are Christians.

Plllleeeeeeezzzzzzz!

First World War (1914–18): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 15 million

Russian Civil War (1917–22): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 million

Soviet Union, Stalin’s regime (1924–53): . . . . . . . . . 20 million

Second World War (1937–45): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 55 million

Chinese Civil War (1945–49): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2.5 million

People’s Republic of China, Mao Zedong’s

regime (1949–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 40 million

Tibet (1950 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 600,000

Congo Free State (1886–1908): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 million

Mexico (1910–20): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million

Turkish massacres of Armenians (1915–23): . . . . . 1.5 million

China (1917–28): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 800,000

China, Nationalist era (1928–37): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.1 million

Korean War (1950–53): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2.8 million

North Korea (1948 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 million

Rwanda and Burundi (1959–95): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.35 million

Second Indochina War (1960–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.5 million

Ethiopia (1962–92): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000

Nigeria (1966–70): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million

Bangladesh (1971): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.25 million

Cambodia, Khmer Rouge (1975–78): . . . . . . . . . . . 1.65 million

Mozambique (1975–92): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million

Afghanistan (1979–2001): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.8 million

Iran–Iraq War (1980–88): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million

Sudan (1983 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.9 million

Kinshasa, Congo (1998 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.8 million

Philippines Insurgency (1899–1902): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 220,000

Brazil (1900 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000

Amazonia (1900–1912): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 250,000

Portuguese colonies (1900–1925): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 325,000

French colonies (1900–1940): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000

Japanese War (1904–5): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 130,000

German East Africa (1905–7): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 175,000

Libya (1911–31): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 125,000

Balkan Wars (1912–13): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 140,000

Greco–Turkish War (1919–22): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 250,000

Spanish Civil War (1936–39): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 365,000

Franco Regime (1939–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 100,000

Abyssinian Conquest (1935–41): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000

Finnish War (1939–40): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000

Greek Civil War (1943–49): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 158,000

Yugoslavia, Tito’s regime (1944–80): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000

First Indochina War (1945–54): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000

Colombia (1946–58): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000

India (1947): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000

Romania (1948–89): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000

Burma/Myanmar (1948 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 130,000

Algeria (1954–62): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 537,000

Sudan (1955–72): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000

Guatemala (1960–96): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000

Indonesia (1965–66): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000

Uganda, Idi Amin’s regime (1972–79): . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000

Vietnam, postwar Communist regime

(1975 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 430,000

Angola (1975–2002): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 550,000

East Timor, conquest by Indonesia (1975–99): . . . . . 200,000

Lebanon (1975–90): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000

Cambodian Civil War (1978–91): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 225,000

Iraq, Saddam Hussein (1979–2003): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000

Uganda (1979–86): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000

Kurdistan (1980s, 1990s): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000

Liberia (1989–97): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000

Iraq (1990– ): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 350,000

Bosnia and Herzegovina (1992–95): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 175,000

Somalia (1991 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000


Every genocide of the 20th century....the century of genocide....was carried out by Big Government secular regimes.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Religion has nothing to do with science. It is the opposite of science as it is just blind faith, while science is evidence and theories explaining such.

What science does religion have? Why would it be lame without religion? Honestly, science would not be science with religion unless it proved a god.

 

[Tuatara]

Really?

Watch me bury you:

'The total number of deaths estimated to lie at the feet of humanity's poor practice of Christianity is approximately 17 million. This number would include ancient wars, the Crusades, the Inquisitions, various European wars during the Middle Ages, and witchcraft trials.

-- DEATHS ATTRIBUTED TO NON-CHRISTIANITY

Now let's look at the number of killings attributed to non-Christianity, including atheism and other anti-religious forces. To be conservative, we will limit the count of anti-religious killings to the last seventy years or so.

First, from the early 1930's to 1945, Hitler's Germany exterminated 6 million Jews and killed about 9 million Christians. Although Hitler was an occultist, he chose the swastika for Germany's emblem; a symbol ancient German Christians used (as did Buddhists). The swastika appeared in the brick work of an old boyhood school he attended of which he had fond memories ("The SS, Alibi of a Nation" by Gerald Reitlinger). But Hitler loathed Christianity as much as Judaism, as he stated in one of his shrill orations,

Historically speaking, the Christian religion is nothing but a Jewish sect... After the destruction of Judaism, the extinction of Christian slave morals must follow logically... We are fighting against the perversion of our soundest instincts. ...That poison with which both Jews and Christians have spoiled and soiled the free, wonderful instincts of man and lowered them to the level of doglike fright. 3

One of the first points I made was the Nazis and all of the high members of the Nazi party were Christians. Hitler has stated in public that he too was a Christian. Yes we a person claim Hitler announced that he was not a christian in private but no documents to back it up. Your second paragraph was not said by Hitler but by Herman Rauschning.
The authenticity of the discussions Rauschning claims to have had with Hitler between 1932 and 1934, which form the basis of his book 'Hitler Speaks', was challenged shortly after Rauschning's death by Swiss researcher Wolfgang Hänel. Hänel declared that 'Gespräche mit Hitler' (the German title of Hitler Speaks) was a fraud and that the book has no value "except as a document of Allied war propaganda".

I noticed you completely glossed over the part where I stated the Nazis has complete approval of the church.

Second, the Stalin purges in the Russian republics prior to and continuing after World War II killed roughly 40 to 60 million people; nearly wiping out every Christian church under Stalin's domain

Sorry but these numbers are ridiculously over-inflated. These numbers consist of people killed on both sides of the war and people killed by the famine. These numbers sound like R. J. Rummel's who has since been criticized for grossly inflating the numbers for political purposes.
Crappy Town: Why RJ Rummel Shouldn't Be Taken Seriously

Third, following World War II, China saw to the end of more than 24 million lives during the first ten years of Mao's takeover 4, another 25 million killed or intentionally starved between 1959 and 1962 5, plus an additional 22 million killings in the 1970's Great Proletariat Cultural Revolution.

More grossly inflated numbers on both sides of the revolution. You need to get a source that isn't so biased.

Fourth, Cambodia suffered more than 2 million killed in its own bloody transition to anti-religious communism after United States forces suffered the fall of what was called Saigon and then largely withdrew from the region.

The rise if the Khmer Rouge wouldn't have happened if the US didn't bomb the whole country side of Cambodia to smithereens and don't forget the US supported the Khmer Rouge. Also Pol Pot was not a communist. Pol Pot was defeated by the Communists.
"Who Is And Was Really Responsible for Genocide in Cambodia?"

Fifth, the more recent rulerships within Ethiopia, Uganda, Rwanda,Sudan, and Iraq have each killed, systematically starved, or chemically or biologically poisoned hundreds of thousands of their own citizens. It will likely be decades before full numbers are tallied for these ongoing situations. (Since some would argue these are attributable to Islam, I will omit them from the tally.)

Why were they even brought up? Instead of just omitting them they should be brought to the religious side.

And sixth, for those who accept abortion as intentional killing

Doesn't fit the description. Also no one knows the actual religious position of anyone who has pereformed an abortion whether it be done by a doctor or on their ow. I do know that most women in the US who get abortions are Christians.

Plllleeeeeeezzzzzzz!

First World War (1914–18): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 15 million

Russian Civil War (1917–22): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 million

Soviet Union, Stalin’s regime (1924–53): . . . . . . . . . 20 million

Second World War (1937–45): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 55 million

Chinese Civil War (1945–49): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2.5 million

People’s Republic of China, Mao Zedong’s

regime (1949–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 40 million

Tibet (1950 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 600,000

Congo Free State (1886–1908): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 million

Mexico (1910–20): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million

Turkish massacres of Armenians (1915–23): . . . . . 1.5 million

China (1917–28): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 800,000

China, Nationalist era (1928–37): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.1 million

Korean War (1950–53): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2.8 million

North Korea (1948 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 million

Rwanda and Burundi (1959–95): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.35 million

Second Indochina War (1960–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.5 million

Ethiopia (1962–92): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000

Nigeria (1966–70): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million

Bangladesh (1971): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.25 million

Cambodia, Khmer Rouge (1975–78): . . . . . . . . . . . 1.65 million

Mozambique (1975–92): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million

Afghanistan (1979–2001): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.8 million

Iran–Iraq War (1980–88): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million

Sudan (1983 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.9 million

Kinshasa, Congo (1998 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.8 million

Philippines Insurgency (1899–1902): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 220,000

Brazil (1900 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000

Amazonia (1900–1912): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 250,000

Portuguese colonies (1900–1925): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 325,000

French colonies (1900–1940): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000

Japanese War (1904–5): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 130,000

German East Africa (1905–7): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 175,000

Libya (1911–31): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 125,000

Balkan Wars (1912–13): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 140,000

Greco–Turkish War (1919–22): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 250,000

Spanish Civil War (1936–39): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 365,000

Franco Regime (1939–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 100,000

Abyssinian Conquest (1935–41): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000

Finnish War (1939–40): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000

Greek Civil War (1943–49): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 158,000

Yugoslavia, Tito’s regime (1944–80): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000

First Indochina War (1945–54): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000

Colombia (1946–58): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000

India (1947): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000

Romania (1948–89): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000

Burma/Myanmar (1948 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 130,000

Algeria (1954–62): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 537,000

Sudan (1955–72): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000

Guatemala (1960–96): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000

Indonesia (1965–66): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000

Uganda, Idi Amin’s regime (1972–79): . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000

Vietnam, postwar Communist regime

(1975 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 430,000

Angola (1975–2002): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 550,000

East Timor, conquest by Indonesia (1975–99): . . . . . 200,000

Lebanon (1975–90): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000

Cambodian Civil War (1978–91): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 225,000

Iraq, Saddam Hussein (1979–2003): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000

Uganda (1979–86): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000

Kurdistan (1980s, 1990s): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000

Liberia (1989–97): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000

Iraq (1990– ): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 350,000

Bosnia and Herzegovina (1992–95): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 175,000

Somalia (1991 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000


Every genocide of the 20th century....the century of genocide....was carried out by Big Government secular regimes.

So instead of actually refuting my points you bury yourself in a deeper hole of sheer stupidity. Wars are fought for various reasons. Political, Racial, Socioeconomic, Preventative, Land Claims, Religious...etc. To claim every war made in the last century was because of a Big Government secular regime is idiotic. There is something seriously wrong with you.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Really?

Watch me bury you:

'The total number of deaths estimated to lie at the feet of humanity's poor practice of Christianity is approximately 17 million. This number would include ancient wars, the Crusades, the Inquisitions, various European wars during the Middle Ages, and witchcraft trials.

-- DEATHS ATTRIBUTED TO NON-CHRISTIANITY

Now let's look at the number of killings attributed to non-Christianity, including atheism and other anti-religious forces. To be conservative, we will limit the count of anti-religious killings to the last seventy years or so.

First, from the early 1930's to 1945, Hitler's Germany exterminated 6 million Jews and killed about 9 million Christians. Although Hitler was an occultist, he chose the swastika for Germany's emblem; a symbol ancient German Christians used (as did Buddhists). The swastika appeared in the brick work of an old boyhood school he attended of which he had fond memories ("The SS, Alibi of a Nation" by Gerald Reitlinger). But Hitler loathed Christianity as much as Judaism, as he stated in one of his shrill orations,

Historically speaking, the Christian religion is nothing but a Jewish sect... After the destruction of Judaism, the extinction of Christian slave morals must follow logically... We are fighting against the perversion of our soundest instincts. ...That poison with which both Jews and Christians have spoiled and soiled the free, wonderful instincts of man and lowered them to the level of doglike fright. 3

One of the first points I made was the Nazis and all of the high members of the Nazi party were Christians. Hitler has stated in public that he too was a Christian. Yes we a person claim Hitler announced that he was not a christian in private but no documents to back it up. Your second paragraph was not said by Hitler but by Herman Rauschning.
The authenticity of the discussions Rauschning claims to have had with Hitler between 1932 and 1934, which form the basis of his book 'Hitler Speaks', was challenged shortly after Rauschning's death by Swiss researcher Wolfgang Hänel. Hänel declared that 'Gespräche mit Hitler' (the German title of Hitler Speaks) was a fraud and that the book has no value "except as a document of Allied war propaganda".

I noticed you completely glossed over the part where I stated the Nazis has complete approval of the church.

Second, the Stalin purges in the Russian republics prior to and continuing after World War II killed roughly 40 to 60 million people; nearly wiping out every Christian church under Stalin's domain

Sorry but these numbers are ridiculously over-inflated. These numbers consist of people killed on both sides of the war and people killed by the famine. These numbers sound like R. J. Rummel's who has since been criticized for grossly inflating the numbers for political purposes.
Crappy Town: Why RJ Rummel Shouldn't Be Taken Seriously

Third, following World War II, China saw to the end of more than 24 million lives during the first ten years of Mao's takeover 4, another 25 million killed or intentionally starved between 1959 and 1962 5, plus an additional 22 million killings in the 1970's Great Proletariat Cultural Revolution.

More grossly inflated numbers on both sides of the revolution. You need to get a source that isn't so biased.

Fourth, Cambodia suffered more than 2 million killed in its own bloody transition to anti-religious communism after United States forces suffered the fall of what was called Saigon and then largely withdrew from the region.

The rise if the Khmer Rouge wouldn't have happened if the US didn't bomb the whole country side of Cambodia to smithereens and don't forget the US supported the Khmer Rouge. Also Pol Pot was not a communist. Pol Pot was defeated by the Communists.
"Who Is And Was Really Responsible for Genocide in Cambodia?"

Fifth, the more recent rulerships within Ethiopia, Uganda, Rwanda,Sudan, and Iraq have each killed, systematically starved, or chemically or biologically poisoned hundreds of thousands of their own citizens. It will likely be decades before full numbers are tallied for these ongoing situations. (Since some would argue these are attributable to Islam, I will omit them from the tally.)

Why were they even brought up? Instead of just omitting them they should be brought to the religious side.

And sixth, for those who accept abortion as intentional killing

Doesn't fit the description. Also no one knows the actual religious position of anyone who has pereformed an abortion whether it be done by a doctor or on their ow. I do know that most women in the US who get abortions are Christians.

Plllleeeeeeezzzzzzz!

First World War (1914–18): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 15 million

Russian Civil War (1917–22): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 million

Soviet Union, Stalin’s regime (1924–53): . . . . . . . . . 20 million

Second World War (1937–45): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 55 million

Chinese Civil War (1945–49): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2.5 million

People’s Republic of China, Mao Zedong’s

regime (1949–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 40 million

Tibet (1950 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 600,000

Congo Free State (1886–1908): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 million

Mexico (1910–20): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million

Turkish massacres of Armenians (1915–23): . . . . . 1.5 million

China (1917–28): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 800,000

China, Nationalist era (1928–37): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.1 million

Korean War (1950–53): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2.8 million

North Korea (1948 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 million

Rwanda and Burundi (1959–95): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.35 million

Second Indochina War (1960–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.5 million

Ethiopia (1962–92): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000

Nigeria (1966–70): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million

Bangladesh (1971): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.25 million

Cambodia, Khmer Rouge (1975–78): . . . . . . . . . . . 1.65 million

Mozambique (1975–92): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million

Afghanistan (1979–2001): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.8 million

Iran–Iraq War (1980–88): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million

Sudan (1983 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.9 million

Kinshasa, Congo (1998 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.8 million

Philippines Insurgency (1899–1902): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 220,000

Brazil (1900 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000

Amazonia (1900–1912): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 250,000

Portuguese colonies (1900–1925): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 325,000

French colonies (1900–1940): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000

Japanese War (1904–5): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 130,000

German East Africa (1905–7): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 175,000

Libya (1911–31): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 125,000

Balkan Wars (1912–13): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 140,000

Greco–Turkish War (1919–22): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 250,000

Spanish Civil War (1936–39): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 365,000

Franco Regime (1939–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 100,000

Abyssinian Conquest (1935–41): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000

Finnish War (1939–40): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000

Greek Civil War (1943–49): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 158,000

Yugoslavia, Tito’s regime (1944–80): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000

First Indochina War (1945–54): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000

Colombia (1946–58): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000

India (1947): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000

Romania (1948–89): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000

Burma/Myanmar (1948 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 130,000

Algeria (1954–62): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 537,000

Sudan (1955–72): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000

Guatemala (1960–96): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000

Indonesia (1965–66): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000

Uganda, Idi Amin’s regime (1972–79): . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000

Vietnam, postwar Communist regime

(1975 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 430,000

Angola (1975–2002): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 550,000

East Timor, conquest by Indonesia (1975–99): . . . . . 200,000

Lebanon (1975–90): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000

Cambodian Civil War (1978–91): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 225,000

Iraq, Saddam Hussein (1979–2003): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000

Uganda (1979–86): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000

Kurdistan (1980s, 1990s): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000

Liberia (1989–97): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000

Iraq (1990– ): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 350,000

Bosnia and Herzegovina (1992–95): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 175,000

Somalia (1991 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000


Every genocide of the 20th century....the century of genocide....was carried out by Big Government secular regimes.

So instead of actually refuting my points you bury yourself in a deeper hole of sheer stupidity. Wars are fought for various reasons. Political, Racial, Socioeconomic, Preventative, Land Claims, Religious...etc. To claim every war made in the last century was because of a Big Government secular regime is idiotic. There is something seriously wrong with you.

Here is the basis and motivation of your fabrications...

"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life."
Leon Trotsky

That's why dictators, totalitarians, maniacs, have led the mass slaughter brigades.

 

[TemplarKormac]

In his 1993 essay “Taking Life,” Singer, in a section called “Justifying Infanticide and Non-Voluntary Euthanasia,” wrote that “killing a disabled infant is not morally equivalent to killing a person.”

My, my, what a eugenicist that man was. When an infant is born, disabled or not, that infant is a person. At least that's what you pro-abortion people say. Therefore when you kill an infant, you kill a person.

Murder.

 

[PoliticalChic]

In his 1993 essay “Taking Life,” Singer, in a section called “Justifying Infanticide and Non-Voluntary Euthanasia,” wrote that “killing a disabled infant is not morally equivalent to killing a person.”

My, my, what a eugenicist that man was. When an infant is born, disabled or not, that infant is a person. At least that's what you pro-abortion people say. Therefore when you kill an infant, you kill a person.

Murder.

BTW.....that was my quote, not Moonglow's.

No prob.

 

[TemplarKormac]

In his 1993 essay “Taking Life,” Singer, in a section called “Justifying Infanticide and Non-Voluntary Euthanasia,” wrote that “killing a disabled infant is not morally equivalent to killing a person.”

My, my, what a eugenicist that man was. When an infant is born, disabled or not, that infant is a person. At least that's what you pro-abortion people say. Therefore when you kill an infant, you kill a person.

Murder.

BTW.....that was my quote, not Moonglow's.

No prob.

My apologies. Must have been an error in the quoting system.

 

[MDiver]

Science without religion is awesome. There's nothing lame about it.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Science without religion is awesome. There's nothing lame about it.

"What was the religious provenance of poison gas, barbed wire, high explosives, experiments in eugenics, Zyklon B, heavy artillery, napalm, nuclear weapons?"
Berlinski

'Awesome'?

Quite the dunce you are, huh?

 

[Hawkins]

Science is about this reality inside this space. Religion is about next reality inside the next space. Science is lame enough not being able to get into the next space to find out the next reality (even in the case that it exists).

 

[PoliticalChic]

Science is about this reality inside this space. Religion is about next reality inside the next space. Science is lame enough not being able to get into the next space to find out the next reality (even in the case that it exists).

... without the morality prescribed by religion, whoever is in charge of the government makes up their 'morality.'



1. "Is there a moral difference between the Nazi doctor (the white coat, the black boots, the pellets of Zyklon B) and the blood-bespattered interrogator in the penalty camp of Orotukan? The Nazi doctors participated not only in experiments and ‘selections'. They supervised all stages of the killing process. Indeed, the Nazi vision was in essence a biomedical vision."
Martin Amis, "Koba The Dread"


2. " Pointing to the chimneys in the distance, [Dr Ella Lingens-Reiner] asked a Nazi doctor, Fritz Klein, ‘How can you reconcile that with your oath as a doctor?' His answer was, ‘Of course I am a doctor and I want to preserve life. And out of respect for human life, I would remove a gangrenous appendix from a diseased body. The Jew is the gangrenous appendix in the body of mankind.'"
"The Nazi Doctors: Medical Killing and the Psychology of Genocide," byRobert Jay Lifton


Science merely tells us what we can do....
....but not what we should do.

 

[Wuwei]

Science is about this reality inside this space. Religion is about next reality inside the next space. Science is lame enough not being able to get into the next space to find out the next reality (even in the case that it exists).

... without the morality prescribed by religion, whoever is in charge of the government makes up their 'morality.'



1. "Is there a moral difference between the Nazi doctor (the white coat, the black boots, the pellets of Zyklon B) and the blood-bespattered interrogator in the penalty camp of Orotukan? The Nazi doctors participated not only in experiments and ‘selections'. They supervised all stages of the killing process. Indeed, the Nazi vision was in essence a biomedical vision."
Martin Amis, "Koba The Dread"


2. " Pointing to the chimneys in the distance, [Dr Ella Lingens-Reiner] asked a Nazi doctor, Fritz Klein, ‘How can you reconcile that with your oath as a doctor?' His answer was, ‘Of course I am a doctor and I want to preserve life. And out of respect for human life, I would remove a gangrenous appendix from a diseased body. The Jew is the gangrenous appendix in the body of mankind.'"
"The Nazi Doctors: Medical Killing and the Psychology of Genocide," byRobert Jay Lifton


Science merely tells us what we can do....
....but not what we should do.

My my, you have a dark view of science. What do you suggest we do? Ban science?

Maybe "science" isn't the problem. Maybe people are the problem. As you know, that's what they say about guns.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Science is about this reality inside this space. Religion is about next reality inside the next space. Science is lame enough not being able to get into the next space to find out the next reality (even in the case that it exists).

... without the morality prescribed by religion, whoever is in charge of the government makes up their 'morality.'



1. "Is there a moral difference between the Nazi doctor (the white coat, the black boots, the pellets of Zyklon B) and the blood-bespattered interrogator in the penalty camp of Orotukan? The Nazi doctors participated not only in experiments and ‘selections'. They supervised all stages of the killing process. Indeed, the Nazi vision was in essence a biomedical vision."
Martin Amis, "Koba The Dread"


2. " Pointing to the chimneys in the distance, [Dr Ella Lingens-Reiner] asked a Nazi doctor, Fritz Klein, ‘How can you reconcile that with your oath as a doctor?' His answer was, ‘Of course I am a doctor and I want to preserve life. And out of respect for human life, I would remove a gangrenous appendix from a diseased body. The Jew is the gangrenous appendix in the body of mankind.'"
"The Nazi Doctors: Medical Killing and the Psychology of Genocide," byRobert Jay Lifton


Science merely tells us what we can do....
....but not what we should do.

My my, you have a dark view of science. What do you suggest we do? Ban science?

Maybe "science" isn't the problem. Maybe people are the problem. As you know, that's what they say about guns.

"My my, you have a dark view of science."

My, my....what a stupid comment.

"In 2007, a number of scientists gathered in a conference entitled “Beyond Belief: Science, Religion, Reason, and Survival” in order to attack religious thought and congratulate one an - other on their fearlessness in so doing.

The physicist Steven Weinberg delivered an address. As one of the authors of the
theory of electroweak unification, the work for which he was awarded a Nobel Prize, he is a figure of great stature. “Religion,” he affirmed, “is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things.

But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion” (italics added).
In speaking thus, Weinberg was warmly applauded, not one member of his audience asking the question one might have thought pertinent: Just who has imposed on the suffering human race poison gas, barbed wire, high explosives, experiments in eugenics, the formula for Zyklon B, heavy artillery, pseudo-scientific justifications for mass murder, cluster bombs, attack submarines, napalm, inter continental ballistic missiles, military space platforms, and nuclear weapons?"
From Berlinski's book, "The Devil's Delusion."


You, it seems, agree with Weinberg.

 

[Tuatara]

Science is about this reality inside this space. Religion is about next reality inside the next space. Science is lame enough not being able to get into the next space to find out the next reality (even in the case that it exists).

... without the morality prescribed by religion, whoever is in charge of the government makes up their 'morality.'



1. "Is there a moral difference between the Nazi doctor (the white coat, the black boots, the pellets of Zyklon B) and the blood-bespattered interrogator in the penalty camp of Orotukan? The Nazi doctors participated not only in experiments and ‘selections'. They supervised all stages of the killing process. Indeed, the Nazi vision was in essence a biomedical vision."
Martin Amis, "Koba The Dread"


2. " Pointing to the chimneys in the distance, [Dr Ella Lingens-Reiner] asked a Nazi doctor, Fritz Klein, ‘How can you reconcile that with your oath as a doctor?' His answer was, ‘Of course I am a doctor and I want to preserve life. And out of respect for human life, I would remove a gangrenous appendix from a diseased body. The Jew is the gangrenous appendix in the body of mankind.'"
"The Nazi Doctors: Medical Killing and the Psychology of Genocide," byRobert Jay Lifton


Science merely tells us what we can do....
....but not what we should do.

The Nazi doctors were Christians.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Science is about this reality inside this space. Religion is about next reality inside the next space. Science is lame enough not being able to get into the next space to find out the next reality (even in the case that it exists).

... without the morality prescribed by religion, whoever is in charge of the government makes up their 'morality.'



1. "Is there a moral difference between the Nazi doctor (the white coat, the black boots, the pellets of Zyklon B) and the blood-bespattered interrogator in the penalty camp of Orotukan? The Nazi doctors participated not only in experiments and ‘selections'. They supervised all stages of the killing process. Indeed, the Nazi vision was in essence a biomedical vision."
Martin Amis, "Koba The Dread"


2. " Pointing to the chimneys in the distance, [Dr Ella Lingens-Reiner] asked a Nazi doctor, Fritz Klein, ‘How can you reconcile that with your oath as a doctor?' His answer was, ‘Of course I am a doctor and I want to preserve life. And out of respect for human life, I would remove a gangrenous appendix from a diseased body. The Jew is the gangrenous appendix in the body of mankind.'"
"The Nazi Doctors: Medical Killing and the Psychology of Genocide," byRobert Jay Lifton


Science merely tells us what we can do....
....but not what we should do.

The Nazi doctors were Christians.

No, they were Nazis......totalitarians, as are socialists, communists, Liberals, Progressives, and Fascists.

All serve the god of 'big unrestricted government.'


As do you.....am I correct?

 

[Tuatara]

Science is about this reality inside this space. Religion is about next reality inside the next space. Science is lame enough not being able to get into the next space to find out the next reality (even in the case that it exists).

... without the morality prescribed by religion, whoever is in charge of the government makes up their 'morality.'



1. "Is there a moral difference between the Nazi doctor (the white coat, the black boots, the pellets of Zyklon B) and the blood-bespattered interrogator in the penalty camp of Orotukan? The Nazi doctors participated not only in experiments and ‘selections'. They supervised all stages of the killing process. Indeed, the Nazi vision was in essence a biomedical vision."
Martin Amis, "Koba The Dread"


2. " Pointing to the chimneys in the distance, [Dr Ella Lingens-Reiner] asked a Nazi doctor, Fritz Klein, ‘How can you reconcile that with your oath as a doctor?' His answer was, ‘Of course I am a doctor and I want to preserve life. And out of respect for human life, I would remove a gangrenous appendix from a diseased body. The Jew is the gangrenous appendix in the body of mankind.'"
"The Nazi Doctors: Medical Killing and the Psychology of Genocide," byRobert Jay Lifton


Science merely tells us what we can do....
....but not what we should do.

The Nazi doctors were Christians.

No, they were Nazis......totalitarians, as are socialists, communists, Liberals, Progressives, and Fascists.

All serve the god of 'big unrestricted government.'


As do you.....am I correct?

No, you are not correct. The Nazi party had full support from the Church. The Nazi members and Nazi leaders were Christians. Time to get off your moral high horse because religion is the last place to pretend it has moral superiority over anyone.

The population of Germany in 1933 was around 60 million. Almost all Germans were Christian, belonging either to the Roman Catholic (ca. 20 million members) or the Protestant (ca. 40 million members) churches. The Jewish community in Germany in 1933 was less than 1% of the total population of the country.

How did Christians and their churches in Germany respond to the Nazi regime and its laws, particularly to the persecution of the Jews? The racialized anti-Jewish Nazi ideology converged with antisemitism that was historically widespread throughout Europe at the time and had deep roots in Christian history. For all too many Christians, traditional interpretations of religious scriptures seemed to support these prejudices.

The German Churches and the Nazi State

 

[Wuwei]

"My my, you have a dark view of science."

My, my....what a stupid comment.

“Religion,” he affirmed, “is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things.

But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion
... etc ...

You, it seems, agree with Weinberg.

My, my what a stupid retort.

I have said absolutely nothing about religion being an insult to human dignity.
The second sentence is almost a tautology. Except for the fact that anyone can do both evil and good at different times.
I disagree with Weinburg's third sentence.

You didn't give a response to my post, but only gave an anecdotal digression.

What do you suggest we do? These are some sarcastic suggestions. I hope you can come up with better ones:
Ban science? Make scientists believe in a religion? Ban guns and ban scientists from working on war materials. Dismantle our military?