School Choice

[Wry Catcher]

School choice is a euphemism for segregation.

/---- How stupid.

That's not a rebuttal, it's an ad hominem, aka, a logical fallacy. School choice exists now, did when I went to school in the 1950's and this has never changed.

Those who want to send their kids to private schools have ever right to do so. The argument is they want the taxpayer to pay for the costs, when the taxpayer is already paying the school district which provides free public education to every child in its district. Taking money from the public school system is the goal of those who argue for "school choice".

I am not arguing the public school system is the best it can be, but this argument for "school choice" is based on false pathos (oh, the poor black child is stuck in a low performing school, is bullshit - it is the white parent so fearful of cultures, races an ethnic differences they want to protect their child from our diverse and multi society).

Public education has adapted, by allowing the creation of Charter Schools and providing AP Classes, remedial classes, etc. and allowing disabled children to attend the public school. The call for "school choice" is a call for segregation, those who want to shield their child from reality have every right to do so, and risk creating bigots and young adults not ready to adapt to a sheltered environment.

Talk about illogical....


You think you know the motivation of every parent who wants any degree of choice in their children's education? Don't mention logic if you don't understand it yourself.

Wrong, I was speaking of the efforts to politicize the issue, note the topic sentence: "Those who want to send their kids to private schools have every right to do so" as do those who home school or have no interest in their child's education. Those who want choice are not all and even most racist or bigoted, but some are.

We have seen efforts to bus kids, as a means to integrate schools, lamented - at best - and much of the segregation is the result of the the private sector / market system which segregates neighborhoods by wealth. There are no simple answers to these issues, but don't pretend bigotry, racism, sexism, misogyny do not exist and are not wedge issue in the political domain.

There are regulations to provide affordable housing in new construction in the SF Bay Region, but affordable here is not affordable to anyone not earning $100,000 + a year. School choice IS a means to subsidize everyone with vouchers, but not even with vouchers will many poor families, single mom families and minority families be able to afford a for profit private school.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

School choice is fairly routine in many other nations, nations who do a better job of educating their children than we do.

How does school choice work in other countries?

 

[rightwinger]

School choice is a euphemism for segregation.

The idea that every child will have a choice is a lie

Parents will naturally flock to the better school in the district which will quickly fill up. School choice will end up being a choice of wealthier white parents to pull their child out of a minority school

Most communities, especially rural ones, only have one school
How does school choice help them?

 

[Thunderbird]

School choice IS a means to subsidize everyone with vouchers, but not even with vouchers will many poor families, single mom families and minority families be able to afford a for profit private school.

Obviously many private schools will be eager to serve these students and earn a profit.

We have seen efforts to bus kids, as a means to integrate schools, lamented - at best - and much of the segregation is the result of the the private sector / market system which segregates neighborhoods by wealth.

Do you want to force people to live where you think they should?! Stop the social engineering and leave people alone. Perhaps ordinary people are not so bad, at least no worse than our lofty elite liberal meddling overlords.

 

[Thunderbird]

School choice is a euphemism for segregation.

The idea that every child will have a choice is a lie

Parents will naturally flock to the better school in the district which will quickly fill up. School choice will end up being a choice of wealthier white parents to pull their child out of a minority school

Most communities, especially rural ones, only have one school
How does school choice help them?

Lol. Do you think maybe successful schools might expand? Set up branches?

Do you think maybe rural folk might figure out how to build another school if an educational need is not being satisfied?

 

[rightwinger]

School choice is a euphemism for segregation.

The idea that every child will have a choice is a lie

Parents will naturally flock to the better school in the district which will quickly fill up. School choice will end up being a choice of wealthier white parents to pull their child out of a minority school

Most communities, especially rural ones, only have one school
How does school choice help them?

Lol. Do you think maybe successful schools might expand? Set up branches?

Do you think maybe rural folk might figure out how to build another school if an educational need is not being satisfied?

No they won't....most communities struggle to support the school they have

 

[Thunderbird]

School choice is a euphemism for segregation.

The idea that every child will have a choice is a lie

Parents will naturally flock to the better school in the district which will quickly fill up. School choice will end up being a choice of wealthier white parents to pull their child out of a minority school

Most communities, especially rural ones, only have one school
How does school choice help them?

Lol. Do you think maybe successful schools might expand? Set up branches?

Do you think maybe rural folk might figure out how to build another school if an educational need is not being satisfied?

No they won't....most communities struggle to support the school they have

Why not use educational funds wisely? Let's stop wasting money on useless bureaucracies. Focus money on the schools that work.

Why don't you want to empower students and parents?

 

[Spare_change]

 

[rightwinger]

School choice is a euphemism for segregation.

The idea that every child will have a choice is a lie

Parents will naturally flock to the better school in the district which will quickly fill up. School choice will end up being a choice of wealthier white parents to pull their child out of a minority school

Most communities, especially rural ones, only have one school
How does school choice help them?

Lol. Do you think maybe successful schools might expand? Set up branches?

Do you think maybe rural folk might figure out how to build another school if an educational need is not being satisfied?

No they won't....most communities struggle to support the school they have

Why not use educational funds wisely? Let's stop wasting money on useless bureaucracies. Focus money on the schools that work.

Why don't you want to empower students and parents?

I agree

Why use our limited education funds on people who choose to send their kids to private school?

 

[Unkotare]

School choice is a euphemism for segregation.

The idea that every child will have a choice is a lie

Parents will naturally flock to the better school in the district which will quickly fill up. School choice will end up being a choice of wealthier white parents to pull their child out of a minority school

Most communities, especially rural ones, only have one school
How does school choice help them?

Lol. Do you think maybe successful schools might expand? Set up branches?

Do you think maybe rural folk might figure out how to build another school if an educational need is not being satisfied?

No they won't....most communities struggle to support the school they have

Why not use educational funds wisely? Let's stop wasting money on useless bureaucracies. Focus money on the schools that work.

Why don't you want to empower students and parents?

I agree

Why use our limited education funds on people who choose to send their kids to private school?

The police come to gated communities if there's a crime, right?

 

[rightwinger]

The idea that every child will have a choice is a lie

Parents will naturally flock to the better school in the district which will quickly fill up. School choice will end up being a choice of wealthier white parents to pull their child out of a minority school

Most communities, especially rural ones, only have one school
How does school choice help them?

Lol. Do you think maybe successful schools might expand? Set up branches?

Do you think maybe rural folk might figure out how to build another school if an educational need is not being satisfied?

No they won't....most communities struggle to support the school they have

Why not use educational funds wisely? Let's stop wasting money on useless bureaucracies. Focus money on the schools that work.

Why don't you want to empower students and parents?

I agree

Why use our limited education funds on people who choose to send their kids to private school?

The police come to gated communities if there's a crime, right?

Very true

Should gated communities be able to take the part of their tax dollars that support police and pay for their own private force?


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[Unkotare]

Lol. Do you think maybe successful schools might expand? Set up branches?

Do you think maybe rural folk might figure out how to build another school if an educational need is not being satisfied?

No they won't....most communities struggle to support the school they have

Why not use educational funds wisely? Let's stop wasting money on useless bureaucracies. Focus money on the schools that work.

Why don't you want to empower students and parents?

I agree

Why use our limited education funds on people who choose to send their kids to private school?

The police come to gated communities if there's a crime, right?

Very true

Should gated communities be able to take the part of their tax dollars that support police and pay for their own private force?

They pay for both.

 

[rightwinger]

No they won't....most communities struggle to support the school they have

Why not use educational funds wisely? Let's stop wasting money on useless bureaucracies. Focus money on the schools that work.

Why don't you want to empower students and parents?

I agree

Why use our limited education funds on people who choose to send their kids to private school?

The police come to gated communities if there's a crime, right?

Very true

Should gated communities be able to take the part of their tax dollars that support police and pay for their own private force?

They pay for both.

Should they be able to withhold taxes to pay for their own security force?

 

[Thunderbird]

School choice is a euphemism for segregation.

The idea that every child will have a choice is a lie

Parents will naturally flock to the better school in the district which will quickly fill up. School choice will end up being a choice of wealthier white parents to pull their child out of a minority school

Most communities, especially rural ones, only have one school
How does school choice help them?

Lol. Do you think maybe successful schools might expand? Set up branches?

Do you think maybe rural folk might figure out how to build another school if an educational need is not being satisfied?

No they won't....most communities struggle to support the school they have

Why not use educational funds wisely? Let's stop wasting money on useless bureaucracies. Focus money on the schools that work.

Why don't you want to empower students and parents?

I agree

Why use our limited education funds on people who choose to send their kids to private school?

Because we value freedom so much?

 

[rightwinger]

The idea that every child will have a choice is a lie

Parents will naturally flock to the better school in the district which will quickly fill up. School choice will end up being a choice of wealthier white parents to pull their child out of a minority school

Most communities, especially rural ones, only have one school
How does school choice help them?

Lol. Do you think maybe successful schools might expand? Set up branches?

Do you think maybe rural folk might figure out how to build another school if an educational need is not being satisfied?

No they won't....most communities struggle to support the school they have

Why not use educational funds wisely? Let's stop wasting money on useless bureaucracies. Focus money on the schools that work.

Why don't you want to empower students and parents?

I agree

Why use our limited education funds on people who choose to send their kids to private school?

Because we value freedom so much?

Freedoms just another word for nothing left to lose

 

[ErikViking]

Maybe the U.S. can learn from other countries.

School Choice: Learning from Other Countries

The article effectively evades the drawbacks, for balance:

The segregation is evident, and it does have a negative impact. Sweden has dropped in the charts (mostly due to other factors, but school choice didn't help).

A special control agency have had to be set up for inspection. Schools with religious "motives" for instance needs attention so that they deliver at standard. Since profit is the driving force there is now concern about the quality - not enough teachers, equipment or facilities to get the job done.

A couple of years ago schools could simply go bankrupt which of course had a negative impact for the students.

The profit focus does tend to prioritise quantity over quality.

To conclude, there are going to be a lot of bumps in the road, not sure if it's really worth it. Voices from both left and right can be heard arguing that the school should be put under government control.

So, not all good - not all bad. As with most things.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Why not use educational funds wisely? Let's stop wasting money on useless bureaucracies. Focus money on the schools that work.

Why don't you want to empower students and parents?

I agree

Why use our limited education funds on people who choose to send their kids to private school?

The police come to gated communities if there's a crime, right?

Very true

Should gated communities be able to take the part of their tax dollars that support police and pay for their own private force?

They pay for both.

Should they be able to withhold taxes to pay for their own security force?

That's a stupid analogy, people who have no kids can't with hold tax dollars for schools, we pay no matter what.

 

[rightwinger]

I agree

Why use our limited education funds on people who choose to send their kids to private school?

The police come to gated communities if there's a crime, right?

Very true

Should gated communities be able to take the part of their tax dollars that support police and pay for their own private force?

They pay for both.

Should they be able to withhold taxes to pay for their own security force?

That's a stupid analogy, people who have no kids can't with hold tax dollars for schools, we pay no matter what.

Good point

Why should someone who sends their kid to catholic school receive a voucher while someone without kids gets nothing

 

[Wyatt earp]

The police come to gated communities if there's a crime, right?

Very true

Should gated communities be able to take the part of their tax dollars that support police and pay for their own private force?

They pay for both.

Should they be able to withhold taxes to pay for their own security force?

That's a stupid analogy, people who have no kids can't with hold tax dollars for schools, we pay no matter what.

Good point

Why should someone who sends their kid to catholic school receive a voucher while someone without kids gets nothing

But then you bring up everything else, unmarried people have to pay more tax, people that own a home get tax breaks, then people who don't..

 

[rightwinger]

Very true

Should gated communities be able to take the part of their tax dollars that support police and pay for their own private force?

They pay for both.

Should they be able to withhold taxes to pay for their own security force?

That's a stupid analogy, people who have no kids can't with hold tax dollars for schools, we pay no matter what.

Good point

Why should someone who sends their kid to catholic school receive a voucher while someone without kids gets nothing

But then you bring up everything else, unmarried people have to pay more tax, people that own a home get tax breaks, then people who don't..

Exactly

So why should someone who chooses to send a kid to a private school be paid to do so?