Saul Alinsky

[Obiwan]

Bfgrn

What's with the link? Do the Democrats want to take full credit for every idea they like?

 

[edthecynic]

Hillary admired him so much she wrote her thesis on him. people better wake up is all I can say

Yeah, she "admired" him so much she wrote her thesis about why he was WRONG!

 

[PaintMyHouse]

this was an email I received: Well what do think?

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Saul Alinsky died about 42 years ago, but his writings influenced those in political control of our nation today.


Died: June 12, 1972, Carmel-by-the-Sea, CA

Education: University of Chicago

Books: Rules for Radicals, Reveille for Radicals


Recall that Hillary did her college thesis on his writings and Obama writes about him in his books.


Anyone out there think that this stuff isn't happening today in the U.S.?

All eight rules are currently in play.


How to create a social state by Saul Alinsky:


“There are eight levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state. The first is the
most important.”


1) Healthcare– Control healthcare and you control the people


2)) Poverty – Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.


3) Debt – Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.


4) Gun Control– Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.


5) Welfare – Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income)


6) Education – Take control of what people read and listen to – take control of what children learn in school.


7) Religion – Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.


8) Class Warfare – Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.


Does any of this sound like what is happening to the United States?


Alinsky merely simplified Vladimir Lenin's original scheme for world conquest by communism, under Russian rule. Stalin described his converts as"Useful Idiots." The Useful Idiots have destroyed every nation in which they have seized power and control. It is presently happening at an alarming rate in the U.S.


If people can read this and still say everything is just fine…they are “useful idiots”.


"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere."

from: my X

snopes.com Saul Alinsky How to Create a Social State

I see that Steph has no plans to fix her lie?

 

[edthecynic]

Hillary's spiritual mentor!

And Obama's.

Patron Saint of Democrats.

Since when is your MessiahRushie a Democrat?

Rule 5: Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It’s hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.

November 11, 2009
RUSH: I think that's the fastest way to persuade people, you know, is to ridicule and make fun of the people that you're having problems with.

December 4, 2007
RUSH: Accuse your opponents of what you are at present doing.

 

[Skylar]

this was an email I received: Well what do think?

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Saul Alinsky died about 42 years ago, but his writings influenced those in political control of our nation today.


Died: June 12, 1972, Carmel-by-the-Sea, CA

Education: University of Chicago

Books: Rules for Radicals, Reveille for Radicals


Recall that Hillary did her college thesis on his writings and Obama writes about him in his books.


Anyone out there think that this stuff isn't happening today in the U.S.?

All eight rules are currently in play.


How to create a social state by Saul Alinsky:


“There are eight levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state. The first is the
most important.”


1) Healthcare– Control healthcare and you control the people


2)) Poverty – Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.


3) Debt – Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.


4) Gun Control– Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.


5) Welfare – Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income)


6) Education – Take control of what people read and listen to – take control of what children learn in school.


7) Religion – Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.


8) Class Warfare – Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.


Does any of this sound like what is happening to the United States?


Alinsky merely simplified Vladimir Lenin's original scheme for world conquest by communism, under Russian rule. Stalin described his converts as"Useful Idiots." The Useful Idiots have destroyed every nation in which they have seized power and control. It is presently happening at an alarming rate in the U.S.


If people can read this and still say everything is just fine…they are “useful idiots”.


"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere."

from: my X

Here's Saul's actual 'rules for radicals. Not the imaginary 'written by a conservative pretending to be Alinsky' version.

1. “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.” Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood.
2. “Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone.
3. “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty.
4. “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules.
5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.
6. “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.” They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones.
7. “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.” Don’t become old news.
8. “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new.
9. “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.” Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist.
10. “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.” Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog.
11. “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.” Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem.
12. “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions

 

[NYcarbineer]

this was an email I received: Well what do think?

--------

Saul Alinsky died about 42 years ago, but his writings influenced those in political control of our nation today.


Died: June 12, 1972, Carmel-by-the-Sea, CA

Education: University of Chicago

Books: Rules for Radicals, Reveille for Radicals


Recall that Hillary did her college thesis on his writings and Obama writes about him in his books.


Anyone out there think that this stuff isn't happening today in the U.S.?

All eight rules are currently in play.


How to create a social state by Saul Alinsky:


“There are eight levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state. The first is the
most important.”


1) Healthcare– Control healthcare and you control the people


2)) Poverty – Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.


3) Debt – Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.


4) Gun Control– Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.


5) Welfare – Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income)


6) Education – Take control of what people read and listen to – take control of what children learn in school.


7) Religion – Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.


8) Class Warfare – Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.


Does any of this sound like what is happening to the United States?


Alinsky merely simplified Vladimir Lenin's original scheme for world conquest by communism, under Russian rule. Stalin described his converts as"Useful Idiots." The Useful Idiots have destroyed every nation in which they have seized power and control. It is presently happening at an alarming rate in the U.S.


If people can read this and still say everything is just fine…they are “useful idiots”.


"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere."

from: my X

Rightwingers attack the poor every day. Is that what Alinsky was talking about?

 

[Skylar]

this was an email I received: Well what do think?

--------

Saul Alinsky died about 42 years ago, but his writings influenced those in political control of our nation today.


Died: June 12, 1972, Carmel-by-the-Sea, CA

Education: University of Chicago

Books: Rules for Radicals, Reveille for Radicals


Recall that Hillary did her college thesis on his writings and Obama writes about him in his books.


Anyone out there think that this stuff isn't happening today in the U.S.?

All eight rules are currently in play.


How to create a social state by Saul Alinsky:


“There are eight levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state. The first is the
most important.”


1) Healthcare– Control healthcare and you control the people


2)) Poverty – Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.


3) Debt – Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.


4) Gun Control– Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.


5) Welfare – Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income)


6) Education – Take control of what people read and listen to – take control of what children learn in school.


7) Religion – Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.


8) Class Warfare – Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.


Does any of this sound like what is happening to the United States?


Alinsky merely simplified Vladimir Lenin's original scheme for world conquest by communism, under Russian rule. Stalin described his converts as"Useful Idiots." The Useful Idiots have destroyed every nation in which they have seized power and control. It is presently happening at an alarming rate in the U.S.


If people can read this and still say everything is just fine…they are “useful idiots”.


"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere."

from: my X

Rightwingers attack the poor every day. Is that what Alinsky was talking about?

Nope. Its just another bogus email. Snopes took it apart:

snopes.com Saul Alinsky How to Create a Social State

 

[Skylar]

Hillary admired him so much she wrote her thesis on him. people better wake up is all I can say

Yeah, she "admired" him so much she wrote her thesis about why he was WRONG!

Minor detail. Hardly worth mentioning.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Nope. Its just another bogus email. Snopes took it apart:

snopes.com Saul Alinsky How to Create a Social State

Even bald-faced lying doesn't seem to bother Steph.

 

[JakeStarkey]

She is a congenital liar engaged in it all of her life.

Koshergrl and Vigilante are other examples of the practice.

 

[guno]

Stephanie so when are you giving up your government paid for medicaid?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Hillary admired him so much she wrote her thesis on him. people better wake up is all I can say

Yeah, she "admired" him so much she wrote her thesis about why he was WRONG!

Minor detail. Hardly worth mentioning.

I don't know.......

You say Alinski didn't write the contents of the original post. OK, What if we accept that.

The Libs say she disagreed with, so that does't rule the list
.

One, Alinsky didn't write what's in the OP. Two, Clinton disagreed with what he did write. Clear now?

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

The coolest part of this is that they didn't consider that Americans will not consider the communism thing and will just go about killing the socialists... then go back to business of business.

 

[Obiwan]

Skylar

So you admit the original post can still be Hillary's philosophy? You say Alinski didn't write it, and the Libs maintain she didn't agree with Alinski anyway.

Looks like a judgement call based on Hillary's actions to me

 

[guno]

this was an email I received: Well what do think?

--------

Saul Alinsky died about 42 years ago, but his writings influenced those in political control of our nation today.


Died: June 12, 1972, Carmel-by-the-Sea, CA

Education: University of Chicago

Books: Rules for Radicals, Reveille for Radicals


Recall that Hillary did her college thesis on his writings and Obama writes about him in his books.


Anyone out there think that this stuff isn't happening today in the U.S.?

All eight rules are currently in play.


How to create a social state by Saul Alinsky:


“There are eight levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state. The first is the
most important.”

Looks very American Sprinish


1) Healthcare– Control healthcare and you control the people


2)) Poverty – Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.


3) Debt – Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.


4) Gun Control– Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.


5) Welfare – Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income)


6) Education – Take control of what people read and listen to – take control of what children learn in school.


7) Religion – Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.


8) Class Warfare – Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.


Does any of this sound like what is happening to the United States?


Alinsky merely simplified Vladimir Lenin's original scheme for world conquest by communism, under Russian rule. Stalin described his converts as"Useful Idiots." The Useful Idiots have destroyed every nation in which they have seized power and control. It is presently happening at an alarming rate in the U.S.


If people can read this and still say everything is just fine…they are “useful idiots”.


"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere."

from: my X

Looks like a very american spring-ish type email

 

[washamericom]

i posted hillary's college thesis on alinsky, at myalinsky.com if anyone is interested. it's pretty good.

great thread stephanie. we're going to be hearing a lot of/about this in the coming days.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Rightwingers attack the poor every day. Is that what Alinsky was talking about?

(The Reader should know that the above cited contributor is known to post things which it knows to be false, as truth, toward the hope of misleading YOU, who it 'feels' is sufficiently ignorant to believe it.

Allow me to demonstrate.)


In what specific ways do Americans 'attack da po''?

 

[boedicca]

i posted hillary's college thesis on alinsky, at myalinsky.com if anyone is interested. it's pretty good.

great thread stephanie. we're going to be hearing a lot of/about this in the coming days.

^^^ Moonbat Alert! Calling Batfink! ^^^


Batfink by boedicca on US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

 

[natstew]

this was an email I received: Well what do think?

--------

Saul Alinsky died about 42 years ago, but his writings influenced those in political control of our nation today.


Died: June 12, 1972, Carmel-by-the-Sea, CA

Education: University of Chicago

Books: Rules for Radicals, Reveille for Radicals


Recall that Hillary did her college thesis on his writings and Obama writes about him in his books.


Anyone out there think that this stuff isn't happening today in the U.S.?

All eight rules are currently in play.


How to create a social state by Saul Alinsky:


“There are eight levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state. The first is the
most important.”


1) Healthcare– Control healthcare and you control the people


2)) Poverty – Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.


3) Debt – Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.


4) Gun Control– Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.


5) Welfare – Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income)


6) Education – Take control of what people read and listen to – take control of what children learn in school.


7) Religion – Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.


8) Class Warfare – Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.


Does any of this sound like what is happening to the United States?


Alinsky merely simplified Vladimir Lenin's original scheme for world conquest by communism, under Russian rule. Stalin described his converts as"Useful Idiots." The Useful Idiots have destroyed every nation in which they have seized power and control. It is presently happening at an alarming rate in the U.S.


If people can read this and still say everything is just fine…they are “useful idiots”.


"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere."

from: my X

The Left Wing Democrat Commie scum have accomplished most of the eight already, and Dear Leader is using EO's to go after the rest. I expect him to follow Andrew Jackson and defy the Supreme Court.

 

[Valerie]

Hillary's spiritual mentor!

not exactly...



The thesis offered a critique of Alinsky's methods as largely ineffective, all the while describing Alinsky's personality as appealing. The thesis sought to fit Alinsky into a line of American social activists, including Eugene V. Debs, Martin Luther King, Jr., and Walt Whitman. Written in formal academic language, the thesis concluded that "[Alinsky's] power/conflict model is rendered inapplicable by existing social conflicts" and that Alinsky's model had not expanded nationally due to "the anachronistic nature of small autonomous conflict."[1]


In the acknowledgements and end notes of the thesis, Rodham thanked Alinsky for two interviews and a job offer. She declined the latter, saying that "after spending a year trying to make sense out of [Alinsky's] inconsistency, I need three years of legal rigor." Rodham, an honors student at Wellesley, received an A grade on the thesis.[1]


Hillary Rodham senior thesis
Hillary Rodham senior thesis - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia