Saudi clerics: Isis terrorism a 'heinous crime' under sharia law

[irosie91]

I still don't quite understand your point. Islam has not had a beneficial reformation, unless we consider salafi-wahabiism as such. But, getting closer to Islams roots in such a way is more of a retrograde step, even though it is the purists dream.

no.islam helped slave. islam helped women.
my point: for example
based on 21 century value: islam was anti woman
based on 1400 years ago value in arabia desert : islam was great for woman

I'm afraid I disagree with you on the Islamic view of what constitutes 'helping'. However, I still don't get what you are suggesting be done, if anything?

for example .islam rule helped for freedom of slave by new rule
or master cant do everything with slave.
for example .before islam:
if you cant pay your loan.you will be slave.but mohammad banned it

read this history: Maytham-al-Tammar (Meesam-e-tammar) - Freedom from slavery - Wattpad


or for example: islam banned married with more than 4 woman.
most arab rich had 20 or more .

you are a victim of a MUSLIM EDUCATION-----Dani-------Every country in which slavery existed had mechanisms for FREEING slaves-----in Islamic school and mosques children are taught that MO' invented the idea------and they are also NOT told that the FREEING issue applied only to those slaves who converted
to islam. Even in ancient rome---monogamy was the rule------Islam innovated
nothing that was actually good------and it added lots which was REALLY BAD

Strangely, on another thread a few weeks ago, Dani said he is not a Muslim.
Isn't that right, Dani?

?? he said something about not attending a mosque (??)

 

[dani67]

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 18:

Narrated 'Ursa:

The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry

abu bakr was very popular and famous in suidi arabia community.
married with his daughter was very good tactic and strategy

So why not marry the elder daughter who was of an age to marry and who was unmarried? Sorry, he wanted the 6 yr old.

maybe elder daughter was very ugly

++ ayeshe was fiancée with other man .if mohammad didnt marry with her.other man did it

+ she wasnt 6 years.she was 12 years old.nobody know real ....

 

[irosie91]

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 18:

Narrated 'Ursa:

The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry

abu bakr was very popular and famous in suidi arabia community.
married with his daughter was very good tactic and strategy

So why not marry the elder daughter who was of an age to marry and who was unmarried? Sorry, he wanted the 6 yr old.

maybe elder daughter was very ugly

++ ayeshe was fiancée with other man .if mohammad didnt marry with her.other man did it

+ she wasnt 6 years.she was 12 years old.nobody know real ....

yup the big mo had the HOTS for baby ayesha

 

[dani67]

I still don't quite understand your point. Islam has not had a beneficial reformation, unless we consider salafi-wahabiism as such. But, getting closer to Islams roots in such a way is more of a retrograde step, even though it is the purists dream.

no.islam helped slave. islam helped women.
my point: for example
based on 21 century value: islam was anti woman
based on 1400 years ago value in arabia desert : islam was great for woman

I'm afraid I disagree with you on the Islamic view of what constitutes 'helping'. However, I still don't get what you are suggesting be done, if anything?

for example .islam rule helped for freedom of slave by new rule
or master cant do everything with slave.
for example .before islam:
if you cant pay your loan.you will be slave.but mohammad banned it

read this history: Maytham-al-Tammar (Meesam-e-tammar) - Freedom from slavery - Wattpad


or for example: islam banned married with more than 4 woman.
most arab rich had 20 or more .

you are a victim of a MUSLIM EDUCATION-----Dani-------Every country in which slavery existed had mechanisms for FREEING slaves-----in Islamic school and mosques children are taught that MO' invented the idea------and they are also NOT told that the FREEING issue applied only to those slaves who converted
to islam. Even in ancient rome---monogamy was the rule------Islam innovated
nothing that was actually good------and it added lots which was REALLY BAD

Strangely, on another thread a few weeks ago, Dani said he is not a Muslim.
Isn't that right, Dani?

i dont believe creation.
i believe evolution and big bang

 

[irosie91]

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 18:

Narrated 'Ursa:

The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry

abu bakr was very popular and famous in suidi arabia community.
married with his daughter was very good tactic and strategy

So why not marry the elder daughter who was of an age to marry and who was unmarried? Sorry, he wanted the 6 yr old.

maybe elder daughter was very ugly

++ ayeshe was fiancée with other man .if mohammad didnt marry with her.other man did it

+ she wasnt 6 years.she was 12 years old.nobody know real ....

oh-----muslims don't know nuthin'

 

[irosie91]

no.islam helped slave. islam helped women.
my point: for example
based on 21 century value: islam was anti woman
based on 1400 years ago value in arabia desert : islam was great for woman

I'm afraid I disagree with you on the Islamic view of what constitutes 'helping'. However, I still don't get what you are suggesting be done, if anything?

for example .islam rule helped for freedom of slave by new rule
or master cant do everything with slave.
for example .before islam:
if you cant pay your loan.you will be slave.but mohammad banned it

read this history: Maytham-al-Tammar (Meesam-e-tammar) - Freedom from slavery - Wattpad


or for example: islam banned married with more than 4 woman.
most arab rich had 20 or more .

you are a victim of a MUSLIM EDUCATION-----Dani-------Every country in which slavery existed had mechanisms for FREEING slaves-----in Islamic school and mosques children are taught that MO' invented the idea------and they are also NOT told that the FREEING issue applied only to those slaves who converted
to islam. Even in ancient rome---monogamy was the rule------Islam innovated
nothing that was actually good------and it added lots which was REALLY BAD

Strangely, on another thread a few weeks ago, Dani said he is not a Muslim.
Isn't that right, Dani?

i dont believe creation.
i believe evolution and big bang

mo believed in BIG BANG too-------he considered himself to be
THE BIG BANGER

 

[Tilly]

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 18:

Narrated 'Ursa:

The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry

abu bakr was very popular and famous in suidi arabia community.
married with his daughter was very good tactic and strategy

So why not marry the elder daughter who was of an age to marry and who was unmarried? Sorry, he wanted the 6 yr old.

maybe elder daughter was very ugly

++ ayeshe was fiancée with other man .if mohammad didnt marry with her.other man did it

+ she wasnt 6 years.she was 12 years old.nobody know real ....

I'm sorry, I believe Bukhari Hadith over you.

 

[dani67]

no.islam helped slave. islam helped women.
my point: for example
based on 21 century value: islam was anti woman
based on 1400 years ago value in arabia desert : islam was great for woman

I'm afraid I disagree with you on the Islamic view of what constitutes 'helping'. However, I still don't get what you are suggesting be done, if anything?

for example .islam rule helped for freedom of slave by new rule
or master cant do everything with slave.
for example .before islam:
if you cant pay your loan.you will be slave.but mohammad banned it

read this history: Maytham-al-Tammar (Meesam-e-tammar) - Freedom from slavery - Wattpad


or for example: islam banned married with more than 4 woman.
most arab rich had 20 or more .

you are a victim of a MUSLIM EDUCATION-----Dani-------Every country in which slavery existed had mechanisms for FREEING slaves-----in Islamic school and mosques children are taught that MO' invented the idea------and they are also NOT told that the FREEING issue applied only to those slaves who converted
to islam. Even in ancient rome---monogamy was the rule------Islam innovated
nothing that was actually good------and it added lots which was REALLY BAD

but arab people hadnt good mechanisms for FREEING slaves before islam
fact: islam rule was good for suidi arabia people more than before islam.no all nation.just suidi arabia

the rapist pig did something good to bring the Saudi animals into CIVILIZATION?-----
when will that program hit the rest of "the ummah"?. You do present an excellent explanation as to why Saudi arabia DESCENDED into a cesspit when the NON MUSLIMS fled the filth of islam. ------The rapist made things so bad for non muslims that Saudi arabia became a------ALL CESSPIT

the rapist pig did something good to bring the Saudi animals into CIVILIZATION?

he wanted it .but he failed

 

[Tilly]

"There came a slave and pledged allegiance to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) on migration; he (the Holy Prophet) did not know that he was a slave. Then there came his master and demanded him back, whereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: Sell him to me. And he bought him for two black slaves, and he did not afterwards take allegiance from anyone until he had asked him whether he was a slave (or a free man) (Sahih Muslim 3901)".

Muhammad actually “purchased” the slave by trading two black slaves, which is hardly a shining example of emancipation. Not only that, it establishes the fact that Muhammad owned and traded African slaves. As a wealthy businessman, he certainly could have liberated all three slaves, but chose instead to sell the two Africans into an uncertain future.

It is also obvious from the passage that Muhammad felt he had been conned into liberating the slave who had come to him, since he was not told of his status as a slave. Because, of this, Muhammad decided that he would not be duped again. In the future, he would always ask first about whether a man was free or not before deciding whether to accept allegiance.

Myth: Muhammad was an Abolitionist

 

[irosie91]

I'm afraid I disagree with you on the Islamic view of what constitutes 'helping'. However, I still don't get what you are suggesting be done, if anything?

for example .islam rule helped for freedom of slave by new rule
or master cant do everything with slave.
for example .before islam:
if you cant pay your loan.you will be slave.but mohammad banned it

read this history: Maytham-al-Tammar (Meesam-e-tammar) - Freedom from slavery - Wattpad


or for example: islam banned married with more than 4 woman.
most arab rich had 20 or more .

you are a victim of a MUSLIM EDUCATION-----Dani-------Every country in which slavery existed had mechanisms for FREEING slaves-----in Islamic school and mosques children are taught that MO' invented the idea------and they are also NOT told that the FREEING issue applied only to those slaves who converted
to islam. Even in ancient rome---monogamy was the rule------Islam innovated
nothing that was actually good------and it added lots which was REALLY BAD

but arab people hadnt good mechanisms for FREEING slaves before islam
fact: islam rule was good for suidi arabia people more than before islam.no all nation.just suidi arabia

the rapist pig did something good to bring the Saudi animals into CIVILIZATION?-----
when will that program hit the rest of "the ummah"?. You do present an excellent explanation as to why Saudi arabia DESCENDED into a cesspit when the NON MUSLIMS fled the filth of islam. ------The rapist made things so bad for non muslims that Saudi arabia became a------ALL CESSPIT

the rapist pig did something good to bring the Saudi animals into CIVILIZATION?

he wanted it .but he failed

oh yeah-------I got it------the moron in the well in Qom is doing a better job

 

[dani67]

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 18:

Narrated 'Ursa:

The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry

abu bakr was very popular and famous in suidi arabia community.
married with his daughter was very good tactic and strategy

So why not marry the elder daughter who was of an age to marry and who was unmarried? Sorry, he wanted the 6 yr old.

maybe elder daughter was very ugly

++ ayeshe was fiancée with other man .if mohammad didnt marry with her.other man did it

+ she wasnt 6 years.she was 12 years old.nobody know real ....

I'm sorry, I believe Bukhari Hadith over you.

i could pee on bukhari

 

[Tilly]

no.islam helped slave. islam helped women.
my point: for example
based on 21 century value: islam was anti woman
based on 1400 years ago value in arabia desert : islam was great for woman

I'm afraid I disagree with you on the Islamic view of what constitutes 'helping'. However, I still don't get what you are suggesting be done, if anything?

for example .islam rule helped for freedom of slave by new rule
or master cant do everything with slave.
for example .before islam:
if you cant pay your loan.you will be slave.but mohammad banned it

read this history: Maytham-al-Tammar (Meesam-e-tammar) - Freedom from slavery - Wattpad


or for example: islam banned married with more than 4 woman.
most arab rich had 20 or more .

you are a victim of a MUSLIM EDUCATION-----Dani-------Every country in which slavery existed had mechanisms for FREEING slaves-----in Islamic school and mosques children are taught that MO' invented the idea------and they are also NOT told that the FREEING issue applied only to those slaves who converted
to islam. Even in ancient rome---monogamy was the rule------Islam innovated
nothing that was actually good------and it added lots which was REALLY BAD

Strangely, on another thread a few weeks ago, Dani said he is not a Muslim.
Isn't that right, Dani?

?? he said something about not attending a mosque (??)

He said "I am not a Muslim", if I remember correctly. Perhaps he will confirm or explain.

 

[irosie91]

I'm afraid I disagree with you on the Islamic view of what constitutes 'helping'. However, I still don't get what you are suggesting be done, if anything?

for example .islam rule helped for freedom of slave by new rule
or master cant do everything with slave.
for example .before islam:
if you cant pay your loan.you will be slave.but mohammad banned it

read this history: Maytham-al-Tammar (Meesam-e-tammar) - Freedom from slavery - Wattpad


or for example: islam banned married with more than 4 woman.
most arab rich had 20 or more .

you are a victim of a MUSLIM EDUCATION-----Dani-------Every country in which slavery existed had mechanisms for FREEING slaves-----in Islamic school and mosques children are taught that MO' invented the idea------and they are also NOT told that the FREEING issue applied only to those slaves who converted
to islam. Even in ancient rome---monogamy was the rule------Islam innovated
nothing that was actually good------and it added lots which was REALLY BAD

Strangely, on another thread a few weeks ago, Dani said he is not a Muslim.
Isn't that right, Dani?

?? he said something about not attending a mosque (??)

He said "I am not a Muslim", if I remember correctly. Perhaps he will confirm or explain.

maybe he meant I AM NOT A SUNNI ARAB. -----long ago when I encountered lots of Iranians-------thru a job I had which included greeting newly arrived people from lots of places including Iran--------An Iranian stopped at my desk----stated his name and then said EMPHATICALLY I AM NOT ARAB ....,, I had not accused him of being arab------that was long before I came to understand that Iranians HATE arabs

 

[dani67]

I'm afraid I disagree with you on the Islamic view of what constitutes 'helping'. However, I still don't get what you are suggesting be done, if anything?

for example .islam rule helped for freedom of slave by new rule
or master cant do everything with slave.
for example .before islam:
if you cant pay your loan.you will be slave.but mohammad banned it

read this history: Maytham-al-Tammar (Meesam-e-tammar) - Freedom from slavery - Wattpad


or for example: islam banned married with more than 4 woman.
most arab rich had 20 or more .

you are a victim of a MUSLIM EDUCATION-----Dani-------Every country in which slavery existed had mechanisms for FREEING slaves-----in Islamic school and mosques children are taught that MO' invented the idea------and they are also NOT told that the FREEING issue applied only to those slaves who converted
to islam. Even in ancient rome---monogamy was the rule------Islam innovated
nothing that was actually good------and it added lots which was REALLY BAD

Strangely, on another thread a few weeks ago, Dani said he is not a Muslim.
Isn't that right, Dani?

?? he said something about not attending a mosque (??)

He said "I am not a Muslim", if I remember correctly. Perhaps he will confirm or explain.

im not moslem.so i dont go mosque
but i go to mosque for funeral

 

[irosie91]

for example .islam rule helped for freedom of slave by new rule
or master cant do everything with slave.
for example .before islam:
if you cant pay your loan.you will be slave.but mohammad banned it

read this history: Maytham-al-Tammar (Meesam-e-tammar) - Freedom from slavery - Wattpad


or for example: islam banned married with more than 4 woman.
most arab rich had 20 or more .

you are a victim of a MUSLIM EDUCATION-----Dani-------Every country in which slavery existed had mechanisms for FREEING slaves-----in Islamic school and mosques children are taught that MO' invented the idea------and they are also NOT told that the FREEING issue applied only to those slaves who converted
to islam. Even in ancient rome---monogamy was the rule------Islam innovated
nothing that was actually good------and it added lots which was REALLY BAD

Strangely, on another thread a few weeks ago, Dani said he is not a Muslim.
Isn't that right, Dani?

?? he said something about not attending a mosque (??)

He said "I am not a Muslim", if I remember correctly. Perhaps he will confirm or explain.

im not moslem.so i dont go mosque
but i go to mosque for funeral

whose funeral? does that mean YOUR funeral-----or the funerals of
muslim friends?

 

[dani67]

for example .islam rule helped for freedom of slave by new rule
or master cant do everything with slave.
for example .before islam:
if you cant pay your loan.you will be slave.but mohammad banned it

read this history: Maytham-al-Tammar (Meesam-e-tammar) - Freedom from slavery - Wattpad


or for example: islam banned married with more than 4 woman.
most arab rich had 20 or more .

you are a victim of a MUSLIM EDUCATION-----Dani-------Every country in which slavery existed had mechanisms for FREEING slaves-----in Islamic school and mosques children are taught that MO' invented the idea------and they are also NOT told that the FREEING issue applied only to those slaves who converted
to islam. Even in ancient rome---monogamy was the rule------Islam innovated
nothing that was actually good------and it added lots which was REALLY BAD

Strangely, on another thread a few weeks ago, Dani said he is not a Muslim.
Isn't that right, Dani?

?? he said something about not attending a mosque (??)

He said "I am not a Muslim", if I remember correctly. Perhaps he will confirm or explain.

maybe he meant I AM NOT A SUNNI ARAB. -----long ago when I encountered lots of Iranians-------thru a job I had which included greeting newly arrived people from lots of places including Iran--------An Iranian stopped at my desk----stated his name and then said EMPHATICALLY I AM NOT ARAB ....,, I had not accused him of being arab------that was long before I came to understand that Iranians HATE arabs

iranian child first word isnt mom or dad
is: i hate arab

 

[dani67]

you are a victim of a MUSLIM EDUCATION-----Dani-------Every country in which slavery existed had mechanisms for FREEING slaves-----in Islamic school and mosques children are taught that MO' invented the idea------and they are also NOT told that the FREEING issue applied only to those slaves who converted
to islam. Even in ancient rome---monogamy was the rule------Islam innovated
nothing that was actually good------and it added lots which was REALLY BAD

Strangely, on another thread a few weeks ago, Dani said he is not a Muslim.
Isn't that right, Dani?

?? he said something about not attending a mosque (??)

He said "I am not a Muslim", if I remember correctly. Perhaps he will confirm or explain.

im not moslem.so i dont go mosque
but i go to mosque for funeral

whose funeral? does that mean YOUR funeral-----or the funerals of
muslim friends?

funerals of my iranian friends

 

[irosie91]

you are a victim of a MUSLIM EDUCATION-----Dani-------Every country in which slavery existed had mechanisms for FREEING slaves-----in Islamic school and mosques children are taught that MO' invented the idea------and they are also NOT told that the FREEING issue applied only to those slaves who converted
to islam. Even in ancient rome---monogamy was the rule------Islam innovated
nothing that was actually good------and it added lots which was REALLY BAD

Strangely, on another thread a few weeks ago, Dani said he is not a Muslim.
Isn't that right, Dani?

?? he said something about not attending a mosque (??)

He said "I am not a Muslim", if I remember correctly. Perhaps he will confirm or explain.

maybe he meant I AM NOT A SUNNI ARAB. -----long ago when I encountered lots of Iranians-------thru a job I had which included greeting newly arrived people from lots of places including Iran--------An Iranian stopped at my desk----stated his name and then said EMPHATICALLY I AM NOT ARAB ....,, I had not accused him of being arab------that was long before I came to understand that Iranians HATE arabs

iranian child first word isnt mom or dad
is: i hate arab

oh-----ok ------the first words of an arab child is MAWT AL YAHUD----but Iranian muslims say that in farsi

 

[Tilly]

How convenient. Mo's claim to Aisha is that through Jibril (Gabriel), Allah showed the six year old child to him in a dream. In Islam, this therefore becomes a marriage divinely ordained:

Narrated ‘Aisha:
Allah’s Apostle said (to me), "You were shown to me in a dream. AN ANGEL brought you to me, wrapped in a piece of silken cloth, and said to me, ‘This is your wife.’ I removed the piece of cloth from your face, and there you were. I said to myself. ‘If it is from Allah, then it will surely be.’" (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 57)

Hmmmm. Reminiscent of the tactics used by filthy old cult leaders.

 

[dani67]

Strangely, on another thread a few weeks ago, Dani said he is not a Muslim.
Isn't that right, Dani?

?? he said something about not attending a mosque (??)

He said "I am not a Muslim", if I remember correctly. Perhaps he will confirm or explain.

maybe he meant I AM NOT A SUNNI ARAB. -----long ago when I encountered lots of Iranians-------thru a job I had which included greeting newly arrived people from lots of places including Iran--------An Iranian stopped at my desk----stated his name and then said EMPHATICALLY I AM NOT ARAB ....,, I had not accused him of being arab------that was long before I came to understand that Iranians HATE arabs

iranian child first word isnt mom or dad
is: i hate arab

oh-----ok ------the first words of an arab child is MAWT AL YAHUD----but Iranian muslims say that in farsi

meaning of mawt??

+no.we like jewish.jewish are smart and they are useful for world like Albert Einstein or woody allen or polanski