Sarkozy says burqas are 'not welcome' in France

[Anguille]

Sarko is no different than the men he accuses of forcing women to dress as they want them to dress.

 

[Anguille]

Sarko is just practicing the age old trick sleazy pols have pulled since time began. Stir up racism and bigotry among the people and then they will be too divided to come together and demand to know why you haven't addressed or solved any of the real problems of the day.

 

[Father Time]

A burka is a blessing when you're having a bad hair day and nothing decent to wear.

Or you could just wear a hat.

 

[editec]

Sarko is no different than the men he accuses of forcing women to dress as they want them to dress.

France can't allow women to degrade themselves with outlandish fashion statements

That's a job for Parisian fashion designers.

 

[Anguille]

A burka is a blessing when you're having a bad hair day and nothing decent to wear.

Or you could just wear a hat.

Naked and in a hat ... hmmmn.

Personally I don't think I would ever have a reason or desire to wear a burka. But if you think about it, it does offer certain advantages. Anonymity can be useful. Especially if you just want to avoid annoying people you run into in the supermarket.

Whether a person wants to wear one or not, whose business is it other than their own? I see people wearing all kinds of outfits that I wouldn't be caught dead in but am I in any position to dictate a dress code to them?

Banning burkas is Fashion Police aimed at restricting the rights of Muslim women. Sarko once again proves himself to be an ass.

 

[Father Time]

If you want to be anonymous than try a mask. Tis been done before in protests.
I have a problem with a burqa ban but if they're going to be legal it should also be legal to mock and insult all those who choose to wear one.

 

[Anguille]

... if they're going to be legal it should also be legal to mock and insult all those who choose to wear one.

Isn't it legal anyway? We make fun of nuns and other people in odd clothing.

 

[adeel_sami]

That isn't the point really... I don't feel like wearing striped shirts very often, but if the government told me I was BANNED from wearing them, I would fight that based on it's stupidity.

What f*cking year is this, anyway? Haven't we progressed socially when it comes to people wearing what they like? At least we in the 'West' with our enlightened way of living?

Muslims have got problem in almost every country from the west .. And when they are told not to do something, they should have to stop doing it right away ..
Why to show yourself much religious when living in the west ?
Why dont do damn care about it back to home(Muslim countries) ?

I disagree. Although I think assimulation is very important for immigrates, I don't think unjust infringing on one's religion for arbitrary reason (which I don't think that is the case here) is OK! If the Frogs said no barqas for security reasons. I mean you don't really know who or what is under there, I could understand that. However, if they said that for because they believe women are being subjected to humilation by their husbands, then I have a problem with that.

Adeel,

I believe you support the Frog's move, because you don't want anyone crying foul about Pakistan's poor treatment of women, ethnic minorities and esp religious minorities!

Okay, put the burqa issue aside and pardon me taking my subject off topic..

The victim in the case of France, is a muslim woman.

I have to enlighten up the case of Saudi's women who cant go outside alone. Without the company of her male relatives (brother, father and husband), they are not allowed.

If we are really so concerned about the muslim women, why dont we take out real problems they are facing ?
In Saudi's case, state is a muslim state, Govt is muslim, legislators and legislations are muslim, nation is muslim, men are muslims, women are muslims .. And that such unjust in a muslim states with the muslim nation is really wrong. ..

Where the muslims are not spare from their muslim care takers .. Why are we that concerned for the muslim wowen of a christian state ??

 

[Anguille]

Okay, put the burqa issue aside and pardon me taking my subject off topic..

The victim in the case of France, is a muslim woman.

I have to enlighten up the case of Saudi's women who cant go outside alone. Without the company of her male relatives (brother, father and husband), they are not allowed.

If we are really so concerned about the muslim women, why dont we take out real problems they are facing ?
In Saudi's case, state is a muslim state, Govt is muslim, legislators and legislations are muslim, nation is muslim, men are muslims, women are muslims .. And that such unjust in a muslim states with the muslim nation is really wrong. ..

Where the muslims are not spare from their muslim care takers .. Why are we that concerned for the muslim wowen of a christian state ??

I did not agree with your previous posts, Adeel, but you make a good point in this one.

 

[adeel_sami]

Okay, put the burqa issue aside and pardon me taking my subject off topic..

The victim in the case of France, is a muslim woman.

I have to enlighten up the case of Saudi's women who cant go outside alone. Without the company of her male relatives (brother, father and husband), they are not allowed.

If we are really so concerned about the muslim women, why dont we take out real problems they are facing ?
In Saudi's case, state is a muslim state, Govt is muslim, legislators and legislations are muslim, nation is muslim, men are muslims, women are muslims .. And that such unjust in a muslim states with the muslim nation is really wrong. ..

Where the muslims are not spare from their muslim care takers .. Why are we that concerned for the muslim wowen of a christian state ??

I did not agree with your previous posts, Adeel, but you make a good point in this one.

Thanks for it Anguille ...

I think being as a muslim, I shouldn't have to go against them.
Burqa is, actually the symbol to a muslim woman .. (and it should be) .. Though many of women don't care about it ..

I've to tell you a personal ideology which I own at the moment.
Whenever I see a muslim lady covering her whole body in a burqa, just you can see her eyes and the burqa's color is black; I get it like a suicide bomber coming and passing ..
(sorry for the harsh words) ..

 

[Anguille]

Okay, put the burqa issue aside and pardon me taking my subject off topic..

The victim in the case of France, is a muslim woman.

I have to enlighten up the case of Saudi's women who cant go outside alone. Without the company of her male relatives (brother, father and husband), they are not allowed.

If we are really so concerned about the muslim women, why dont we take out real problems they are facing ?
In Saudi's case, state is a muslim state, Govt is muslim, legislators and legislations are muslim, nation is muslim, men are muslims, women are muslims .. And that such unjust in a muslim states with the muslim nation is really wrong. ..

Where the muslims are not spare from their muslim care takers .. Why are we that concerned for the muslim wowen of a christian state ??

I did not agree with your previous posts, Adeel, but you make a good point in this one.

Thanks for it Anguille ...

I think being as a muslim, I shouldn't have to go against them.
Burqa is, actually the symbol to a muslim woman .. (and it should be) .. Though many of women don't care about it ..

I've to tell you a personal ideology which I own at the moment.
Whenever I see a muslim lady covering her whole body in a burqa, just you can see her eyes and the burqa's color is black; I get it like a suicide bomber coming and passing ..
(sorry for the harsh words) ..

When I see photos of Saudi families where you can see the faces and smiles of the husband and children but the mother/wife is encased in a shroud and her humanity erased, invisible, like a black hole in the photo, it makes me sad and afraid for her.

Nonetheless, I believe no one has any business telling women they can't or they must wear a burka. It's a woman's own choice.

Banning burka's is not going to do anything to liberate oppressed women in France. It will only turn them into the rope in a tug of war between the zenophobic French and French Muslims.

If Sarko really cared about abused women he would address this as part of a wider problem of spousal abuse, not single out all Muslim women in burkas as perpetrators and enablers of domestic violence.

Granted he said he only wished to find a way to discourage the wearing of burkas not ban them but he's just being a crafty politician. It's clear what his aims are.

I don't know any Muslim women who wear a burka but I know a few who wear a head scarf. They tell me they do so to show respect to Allah, not demonstrate a subservience to their husbands. Some Jewish men wear yarmulkes to show respect for the Jewish god. I don't see much difference between the two customs. But only one is being condemned by bigots in the west.

 

[PoliticalChic]

If you want to be anonymous than try a mask. Tis been done before in protests.
I have a problem with a burqa ban but if they're going to be legal it should also be legal to mock and insult all those who choose to wear one.

Wearing masks at a protest is illegal in NYC

 

[Father Time]

If you want to be anonymous than try a mask. Tis been done before in protests.
I have a problem with a burqa ban but if they're going to be legal it should also be legal to mock and insult all those who choose to wear one.

Wearing masks at a protest is illegal in NYC

Is that law still enforced?

 

[PoliticalChic]

If you want to be anonymous than try a mask. Tis been done before in protests.
I have a problem with a burqa ban but if they're going to be legal it should also be legal to mock and insult all those who choose to wear one.

Wearing masks at a protest is illegal in NYC

Is that law still enforced?

"In 1845, the State of New York passed a law which forbade the wearing of masks. It authorized the pursuit and arrest of anyone who “having his face painted, discolored, covered or concealed, or being otherwise disguised, in a manner calculated to prevent him from being identified, shall appear in any road or public highway, or in any field, lot, wood, or enclosure.” It was originally adopted to thwart armed insurrections by Hudson Valley tenant farmers who dressed and painted themselves as Native Americans to attack law enforcement officers over rent issues. The law was then shelved for most of the 20th Century until 1965, when it was used to criminalize transvestites and drag queens who wore too much make-up for the authorities to bear.

More recently, the law has resurfaced in two contexts: At a KKK rally in 2001 and during the large-scale protests of the World Economic Forum (WEF) at the Waldorf Astoria Hotel in January 2002... (read more)"
Slingshot! Current Issue...

New York Penal Law § 240.35(4)
http://wings.buffalo.edu/law/bclc/web/Ne...

 

[Gurdari]

Okay, put the burqa issue aside and pardon me taking my subject off topic..

The victim in the case of France, is a muslim woman.

I have to enlighten up the case of Saudi's women who cant go outside alone. Without the company of her male relatives (brother, father and husband), they are not allowed.

If we are really so concerned about the muslim women, why dont we take out real problems they are facing ?
In Saudi's case, state is a muslim state, Govt is muslim, legislators and legislations are muslim, nation is muslim, men are muslims, women are muslims .. And that such unjust in a muslim states with the muslim nation is really wrong. ..

Where the muslims are not spare from their muslim care takers .. Why are we that concerned for the muslim wowen of a christian state ??

Well there are many things to address if we want to discuss equality, but just because one place is 'worse' doesn't make it okay to be stupid in France...

And is Saudi Arabia REALLY that Islamic? I thought there was a King/royal family there... and that seems un-Islamic to me, correct me if I'm wrong, but there is no such thing as 'royal' or 'divine' blood is there?


Sort of like China calling itself communist when it has millionaires and poor people...

 

[sealybobo]

Okay, put the burqa issue aside and pardon me taking my subject off topic..

The victim in the case of France, is a muslim woman.

I have to enlighten up the case of Saudi's women who cant go outside alone. Without the company of her male relatives (brother, father and husband), they are not allowed.

If we are really so concerned about the muslim women, why dont we take out real problems they are facing ?
In Saudi's case, state is a muslim state, Govt is muslim, legislators and legislations are muslim, nation is muslim, men are muslims, women are muslims .. And that such unjust in a muslim states with the muslim nation is really wrong. ..

Where the muslims are not spare from their muslim care takers .. Why are we that concerned for the muslim wowen of a christian state ??

Well there are many things to address if we want to discuss equality, but just because one place is 'worse' doesn't make it okay to be stupid in France...

And is Saudi Arabia REALLY that Islamic? I thought there was a King/royal family there... and that seems un-Islamic to me, correct me if I'm wrong, but there is no such thing as 'royal' or 'divine' blood is there?


Sort of like China calling itself communist when it has millionaires and poor people...

Or like when Conservatives who know rich people own this country call America socialist.

Hey, we feel uncomfortable with burka's. I say ban them.

And we are finding out that muslim women only wear them because their men force them to. Banning them would be something I support because they kill us over there for being christian, yet they come over and flaunt their shit in our face. And they made UofM Dearborn campus install foot bath's in the bathrooms. They were washing their feet in the bathroom sinks. So we bend for them all the time and they don't assimilate with us. And they live here tax free and still side with Bin Ladin. Fuck them! Take off the fucking burka or go back to Saudi Arabia.

You can't wear a ski mask into court, can you?

You can't go out in your underwear, can you?

So ban burka's.

 

[Anguille]

Hey, we feel uncomfortable with burka's. I say ban them.
.

Hey, we feel uncomfortable with sealybobo's. I say ban them.

 

[Liability]

Sarkozy says burqas are 'not welcome' in France

Al Qaeda says Sarkozy 'not welcome' on Earth.

 

[adeel_sami]

Yes, you're right .......

Things we see, are not equal ...

And debate will keep going on and on because there're thousands of things that need to be discussed ......

And I think am done on this issue as I clearly described what I thought about the ban on burka .....

Peace ...

 

[Yasmin]

The discussion about Sarkozy is very hot here in France. Indeed he's received as a racist, thats why he won election. He made rebell the whites against blacks and arabs, as last solution to win his election. Telling everyone to leave the country if they're not happy here. But honestly how can you be happy in a country that practises violence, separation, segragation, racism etc and all other forms of -ion and -ism. I notice that daily, I even ask myself if the situation is worse here or there in the US? I think there just more treacherous here.