Sarkozy says burqas are 'not welcome' in France

[PoliticalChic]

Muslim immigration worsens a society, not improves it.

yea yea yea.. they said the same thing about civil rights, woman lib and damn near every wave of immigration to his the continental 48. sit down and shut the fuck up, Archie.

The following was interesting in the light of the recent elections in the EU:

"The shift has two principal, and related, causes. The more significant one is that over the last three decades, social-democratic Europe’s political, cultural, academic, and media elites have presided over, and vigorously defended, a vast wave of immigration from the Muslim world—the largest such influx in human history. According to Foreign Affairs, Muslims in Western Europe numbered between 15 and 20 million in 2005. One source estimates that Britain’s Muslim population rose from about 82,000 in 1961 to 553,000 in 1981 to 2 million in 2000—a demographic change roughly representative of Western Europe as a whole during that period. According to the London Times, the number of Muslims in the U.K. climbed by half a million between 2004 and 2008 alone—a rate of growth ten times that of the rest of that country’s population."


"…European cities increasingly dangerous for non-Muslims—especially women, Jews, and gays. In 2001, 65 percent of rapes in Norway were committed by what the country’s police call “non-Western” men—a category consisting overwhelmingly of Muslims, who make up just 2 percent of that country’s population. In 2005, 82 percent of crimes in Copenhagen were committed by members of immigrant groups, the majority of them Muslims. In Germany, reports Der Spiegel, “a disproportionately high percentage of women who flee to women’s shelters are Muslim”; in 2006, 56 percent of the women at Norwegian shelters were of foreign origin; Deborah Scroggins wrote in The Nation in 2005 that “Muslims make up only 5.5 percent of the Dutch population, but they account for more than half the women in battered women’s shelters.”
Heirs to Fortuyn? by Bruce Bawer, City Journal Spring 2009

um, do you think I CANT find up an equivilent piece relating to the growing influence of jews in America over that of a traditionally christian set of morals and values? Hell, I could trump you on the topic of PORN ALONE. Are you as willing to support concerned christians agasint the influence of jews as you are against the influence of muslims? If not, tell me why one set of christian cultural concern is bad and the other good?

While it might be a parry, it is certainly not a thrust.

Changing the subject is item one under "Juvenile Debating Techniques."

Question for debate was "Muslim immigration worsens a society, not improves it."

I specifically defended it, while you dropped it like it was hot.

Nor am I making an argument " against the influence of muslims." As a Conservative, I believe that data should inform policy. This the substance of my post. My data shows the population size of Muslims in Europe, and attempts to relate same to the crime statistics that the quote poses.

Had you offered a counter argument, it would be along the lines of disputing the realtionship, as in the fallacy of "post hoc ergo propter hoc." Difficult.

But, it seems that you are unable to counter the argument, so your only option is to slink away.

 

[caterpillar]

What is that berka really saying?

It's saying:

"Hi, I'm a terrified religious freak (or a victim of one) who lives in constant fear either of my husband's wrath or of my own sexuality."

You cannot knock that person down because they're already knocked down the moment they don that garb.

Above rubbish is exactly why I oppose these sorts of laws. Those opposing the Burqa's are anti-religion hatemongers and socially liberal bigots. When "conservatives" like Sarkozy (the Jew who claims to be Catholic who dumped his wife right after getting elected) promote this stuff you know, as if you needed proof, they are not really "conservatives."

I don't personally like these outfits but I will fight the anti-religion bigots and "oh so tolerant" hypocrite liberals and their opportunist pseudo-conservative friends who try to harrass or demonize these women who CHOOSE to dress in this manner based on their faith, philosophy, or heritage.

 

[PoliticalChic]

What is that berka really saying?

It's saying:

"Hi, I'm a terrified religious freak (or a victim of one) who lives in constant fear either of my husband's wrath or of my own sexuality."

You cannot knock that person down because they're already knocked down the moment they don that garb.

Above rubbish is exactly why I oppose these sorts of laws. Those opposing the Burqa's are anti-religion hatemongers and socially liberal bigots. When "conservatives" like Sarkozy (the Jew who claims to be Catholic who dumped his wife right after getting elected) promote this stuff you know, as if you needed proof, they are not really "conservatives."

I don't personally like these outfits but I will fight the anti-religion bigots and "oh so tolerant" hypocrite liberals and their opportunist pseudo-conservative friends who try to harrass or demonize these women who CHOOSE to dress in this manner based on their faith, philosophy, or heritage.

Mucho hate there, but don't worry: I'll pray for you.

 

[rhodescholar]

While it might be a parry, it is certainly not a thrust.

Changing the subject is item one under "Juvenile Debating Techniques."

Question for debate was "Muslim immigration worsens a society, not improves it."

I specifically defended it, while you dropped it like it was hot.

Nor am I making an argument " against the influence of muslims." As a Conservative, I believe that data should inform policy. This the substance of my post. My data shows the population size of Muslims in Europe, and attempts to relate same to the crime statistics that the quote poses.

Had you offered a counter argument, it would be along the lines of disputing the realtionship, as in the fallacy of "post hoc ergo propter hoc." Difficult.

But, it seems that you are unable to counter the argument, so your only option is to slink away.

This is why I put this monkey on ignore. Its like being in a thread discussing Chocolate Chip cookie recipes, and the imbecile strolling bones drops in to say, "did the jews use that recipe after they attacked the Liberty?"

The only fault lies with anyone who expects the idiots and trolls to post an intelligent response.

 

[Shogun]

The following was interesting in the light of the recent elections in the EU:

"The shift has two principal, and related, causes. The more significant one is that over the last three decades, social-democratic Europe’s political, cultural, academic, and media elites have presided over, and vigorously defended, a vast wave of immigration from the Muslim world—the largest such influx in human history. According to Foreign Affairs, Muslims in Western Europe numbered between 15 and 20 million in 2005. One source estimates that Britain’s Muslim population rose from about 82,000 in 1961 to 553,000 in 1981 to 2 million in 2000—a demographic change roughly representative of Western Europe as a whole during that period. According to the London Times, the number of Muslims in the U.K. climbed by half a million between 2004 and 2008 alone—a rate of growth ten times that of the rest of that country’s population."


"…European cities increasingly dangerous for non-Muslims—especially women, Jews, and gays. In 2001, 65 percent of rapes in Norway were committed by what the country’s police call “non-Western” men—a category consisting overwhelmingly of Muslims, who make up just 2 percent of that country’s population. In 2005, 82 percent of crimes in Copenhagen were committed by members of immigrant groups, the majority of them Muslims. In Germany, reports Der Spiegel, “a disproportionately high percentage of women who flee to women’s shelters are Muslim”; in 2006, 56 percent of the women at Norwegian shelters were of foreign origin; Deborah Scroggins wrote in The Nation in 2005 that “Muslims make up only 5.5 percent of the Dutch population, but they account for more than half the women in battered women’s shelters.”
Heirs to Fortuyn? by Bruce Bawer, City Journal Spring 2009

um, do you think I CANT find up an equivilent piece relating to the growing influence of jews in America over that of a traditionally christian set of morals and values? Hell, I could trump you on the topic of PORN ALONE. Are you as willing to support concerned christians agasint the influence of jews as you are against the influence of muslims? If not, tell me why one set of christian cultural concern is bad and the other good?

While it might be a parry, it is certainly not a thrust.

Changing the subject is item one under "Juvenile Debating Techniques."

Question for debate was "Muslim immigration worsens a society, not improves it."

I specifically defended it, while you dropped it like it was hot.

Nor am I making an argument " against the influence of muslims." As a Conservative, I believe that data should inform policy. This the substance of my post. My data shows the population size of Muslims in Europe, and attempts to relate same to the crime statistics that the quote poses.

Had you offered a counter argument, it would be along the lines of disputing the realtionship, as in the fallacy of "post hoc ergo propter hoc." Difficult.

But, it seems that you are unable to counter the argument, so your only option is to slink away.

If the subject is racist xenophobia then who is changing the subject here? Whatsa matter? afraid to replace the word MUSLIM with the word JEW?

after all, it's SO HARD to find evidence of the exact same xenophbia!

The tapes also include a phone call from February 1973 between Nixon and the evangelist Billy Graham, during which Mr. Graham complained that Jewish-American leaders were opposing efforts to promote evangelical Christianity, like CampusCrusade. The two men agreed that the Jewish leaders risked setting off anti-Semitic sentiment.

“What I really think is deep down in this country, there is a lot of anti-Semitism, and all this is going to do is stir it up,” Nixon said.

At another point he said: “It may be they have a death wish. You know that’s been the problem with our Jewish friends for centuries.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/24/us/politics/24nixon.html





clearly, Nixon should have learned your dance moves.

 

[editec]

What is that berka really saying?

It's saying:

"Hi, I'm a terrified religious freak (or a victim of one) who lives in constant fear either of my husband's wrath or of my own sexuality."

You cannot knock that person down because they're already knocked down the moment they don that garb.

Above rubbish is exactly why I oppose these sorts of laws.

The above rubbish in no way support those laws.

Perhaps you should read it again.

 

[Bootneck]

Those opposing the Burqa's are anti-religion hatemongers and socially liberal bigots. When "conservatives" like Sarkozy (the Jew who claims to be Catholic who dumped his wife right after getting elected) promote this stuff you know, as if you needed proof, they are not really "conservatives."

Are you aware that for the past 80 years Turks have lived in a secular state founded by Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, who rejected headscarves as backward-looking in his campaign to secularise Turkish society. To this day, even headscarves are banned in civic spaces, including schools, universities - state or private - and official buildings. And it's a muslim country!

So, by your standards the Turks are 'anti-religion hatemongers and socially liberal bigots'.

 

[Shogun]

HA! a conservative looking to Turkey for political ideological support.. classic. hey, dude, is there anything ELSE in Turkey's culture you want to validate or would you rather just pick and choose what is politically convenient?

 

[Bootneck]

HA! a conservative looking to Turkey for political ideological support.. classic. hey, dude, is there anything ELSE in Turkey's culture you want to validate or would you rather just pick and choose what is politically convenient?

Zip up your arse dickhead, your brains are falling out.

 

[Shogun]

HA! a conservative looking to Turkey for political ideological support.. classic. hey, dude, is there anything ELSE in Turkey's culture you want to validate or would you rather just pick and choose what is politically convenient?

Zip up your arse dickhead, your brains are falling out.

brilliant retort! I guess i'd want to avoid using Turkey's Stamp of Approval too if I were a standard issue chickenhawk.

 

[Bootneck]

HA! a conservative looking to Turkey for political ideological support.. classic. hey, dude, is there anything ELSE in Turkey's culture you want to validate or would you rather just pick and choose what is politically convenient?

Zip up your arse dickhead, your brains are falling out.

brilliant retort! I guess i'd want to avoid using Turkey's Stamp of Approval too if I were a standard issue chickenhawk.

Still got it open then.

 

[Shogun]

still trying to avoid that you just used Turkey as a positive example, eh?

 

[Bootneck]

still trying to avoid that you just used Turkey as a positive example, eh?

A slogan for Shogun. Yours with my compliments. Can't think of anyone more appropriate to use it as a sig.

Excreta Tauri Astutos Frustantur

 

[GHook93]

Muslim immigration worsens a society, not improves it.

yea yea yea.. they said the same thing about civil rights, woman lib and damn near every wave of immigration to his the continental 48. sit down and shut the fuck up, Archie.

The following was interesting in the light of the recent elections in the EU:

"The shift has two principal, and related, causes. The more significant one is that over the last three decades, social-democratic Europe’s political, cultural, academic, and media elites have presided over, and vigorously defended, a vast wave of immigration from the Muslim world—the largest such influx in human history. According to Foreign Affairs, Muslims in Western Europe numbered between 15 and 20 million in 2005. One source estimates that Britain’s Muslim population rose from about 82,000 in 1961 to 553,000 in 1981 to 2 million in 2000—a demographic change roughly representative of Western Europe as a whole during that period. According to the London Times, the number of Muslims in the U.K. climbed by half a million between 2004 and 2008 alone—a rate of growth ten times that of the rest of that country’s population."


"…European cities increasingly dangerous for non-Muslims—especially women, Jews, and gays. In 2001, 65 percent of rapes in Norway were committed by what the country’s police call “non-Western” men—a category consisting overwhelmingly of Muslims, who make up just 2 percent of that country’s population. In 2005, 82 percent of crimes in Copenhagen were committed by members of immigrant groups, the majority of them Muslims. In Germany, reports Der Spiegel, “a disproportionately high percentage of women who flee to women’s shelters are Muslim”; in 2006, 56 percent of the women at Norwegian shelters were of foreign origin; Deborah Scroggins wrote in The Nation in 2005 that “Muslims make up only 5.5 percent of the Dutch population, but they account for more than half the women in battered women’s shelters.”
Heirs to Fortuyn? by Bruce Bawer, City Journal Spring 2009

um, do you think I CANT find up an equivilent piece relating to the growing influence of jews in America over that of a traditionally christian set of morals and values? Hell, I could trump you on the topic of PORN ALONE. Are you as willing to support concerned christians agasint the influence of jews as you are against the influence of muslims? If not, tell me why one set of christian cultural concern is bad and the other good?

So do you fricking do it cock-sucker! Show American Jews like Eisenstein, Dylan, Oppenheimer, Paul Warburg (US Central Bank Founder) or Mark Zuckarberg (Facebook founder) who haven't done a think for America or the world as a whole!

Of American Nobel Prize winners, 37% have been Jewish Americans (19 times the percentage of Jews in the population), as have been 71% of the John Bates Clark Medal winners (thirty-five times the Jewish percentage).

The New Power Elite | Mother Jones

 

[Shogun]

still trying to avoid that you just used Turkey as a positive example, eh?

A slogan for Shogun. Yours with my compliments. Can't think of anyone more appropriate to use it as a sig.

Excreta Tauri Astutos Frustantur

HA! again, BRILLIANT retort, dude! Gosh, I WONDER why i've got you on the run instead of offering a rebuttal to using Turkey as a positive example, chickenhawk. Gosh, hope your buddies down at the VA don't get wind of this...

 

[Shogun]

The following was interesting in the light of the recent elections in the EU:

"The shift has two principal, and related, causes. The more significant one is that over the last three decades, social-democratic Europe’s political, cultural, academic, and media elites have presided over, and vigorously defended, a vast wave of immigration from the Muslim world—the largest such influx in human history. According to Foreign Affairs, Muslims in Western Europe numbered between 15 and 20 million in 2005. One source estimates that Britain’s Muslim population rose from about 82,000 in 1961 to 553,000 in 1981 to 2 million in 2000—a demographic change roughly representative of Western Europe as a whole during that period. According to the London Times, the number of Muslims in the U.K. climbed by half a million between 2004 and 2008 alone—a rate of growth ten times that of the rest of that country’s population."


"…European cities increasingly dangerous for non-Muslims—especially women, Jews, and gays. In 2001, 65 percent of rapes in Norway were committed by what the country’s police call “non-Western” men—a category consisting overwhelmingly of Muslims, who make up just 2 percent of that country’s population. In 2005, 82 percent of crimes in Copenhagen were committed by members of immigrant groups, the majority of them Muslims. In Germany, reports Der Spiegel, “a disproportionately high percentage of women who flee to women’s shelters are Muslim”; in 2006, 56 percent of the women at Norwegian shelters were of foreign origin; Deborah Scroggins wrote in The Nation in 2005 that “Muslims make up only 5.5 percent of the Dutch population, but they account for more than half the women in battered women’s shelters.”
Heirs to Fortuyn? by Bruce Bawer, City Journal Spring 2009

um, do you think I CANT find up an equivilent piece relating to the growing influence of jews in America over that of a traditionally christian set of morals and values? Hell, I could trump you on the topic of PORN ALONE. Are you as willing to support concerned christians agasint the influence of jews as you are against the influence of muslims? If not, tell me why one set of christian cultural concern is bad and the other good?

So do you fricking do it cock-sucker! Show American Jews like Eisenstein, Dylan, Oppenheimer, Paul Warburg (US Central Bank Founder) or Mark Zuckarberg (Facebook founder) who haven't done a think for America or the world as a whole!

Of American Nobel Prize winners, 37% have been Jewish Americans (19 times the percentage of Jews in the population), as have been 71% of the John Bates Clark Medal winners (thirty-five times the Jewish percentage).

The New Power Elite | Mother Jones

First off, jew, the Nobel prize is HARDLY an exclusive American prize. So, really, if a jew wins it there is no relevance to America at all.

Second, jew, I've posted evidence that YOUR racist zionist impulse is no different than Nixon letting one of the nation's most famous CHRISTIANS complain about jewish influence. Hence, if it's bad when THEY are xenophobic then so, too, is it bad when jews can't stomach anything non-jewish.

Now, I realize that your first impulse will be to scream antisemite. yea, we've heard it before. Then, i'm sure you'll look for any reason t pat yourself on your jewish back by assuming a Sweedish prize given to jews means anything to anyone. Sorry, it doesn't. You can insinuate whatever you want to, jew, because at the end of the day we ALL know that the ONLY people you are looking out for are jews much like Aryans in Germany looked out for those with blond hair and blue eyes.

 

[Bootneck]

still trying to avoid that you just used Turkey as a positive example, eh?

A slogan for Shogun. Yours with my compliments. Can't think of anyone more appropriate to use it as a sig.

Excreta Tauri Astutos Frustantur

HA! again, BRILLIANT retort, dude! Gosh, I WONDER why i've got you on the run instead of offering a rebuttal to using Turkey as a positive example, chickenhawk. Gosh, hope your buddies down at the VA don't get wind of this...

What's the point in arguing with a one string violin that plays the same tune over and over and over and over. Shit, it doesn't even realise I'm not from the USA! Else it wouldn't refer to the VA.

Not on the run old chap. The post I made speaks for itself. Nothing to add. Nothing to change. You wanna make something else of it, that's fine. Feel free. It worries me not.

 

[Shogun]

HA!

yea, dude.. and, clearly you BELIEVE That given every post you felt the urge to come back and retort silly nonsense with!

Please, tell me about how brave you are while hiding in a foxhole next.

 

[neurosport]

I don't understand why Ghook listed Warburg as one of the great Americans yet his sig says repeal 16th amendment ?

 

[Kalam]

Muslims are just not welcome in the West,

Planning on doing something about that?