Santa Fe shooter used Shotgun and .38 revolver...anti gunners were praying for an AR-15, and are sad

[2aguy]

Responsible gun owner allowed his weapons to be accessed for a massacre.

How do you know how he got his dad's guns?

 

[bullwinkle]

So....now what? The anti gunners were praying to a god they don't believe in that the shooter was going to have used another AR-15 rifle....and darn it...he used a shotgun and a .38 revolver.......you know, the guns the anti gunners pretend they don't want to confiscate...

10 Dead in Santa Fe, Texas, School Shooting; Suspect Used Shotgun and Revolver

He used a shotgun and a .38 revolver, Gov. Greg Abbott of Texas said at a news conference.

States with strict gun laws have fewer firearms deaths. Here's how your state stacks up

 

[Damaged Eagle]

Another profession you want to lower their wages. Another example of Republicans making America great again. But for who?

Again, I hope you do lower teachers wages. Starting with Unkotare

As soon as we open the floodgates to legal immigrants, who want to be here and will follow the laws and rules of this country, like the progressives want done for the illegal foreign nationals who don't want to assimulate we can lower the wages.

Shall we start with fifty million to one hundred million educated SE Asians?

*****SMILE*****

 

[2aguy]

So....now what? The anti gunners were praying to a god they don't believe in that the shooter was going to have used another AR-15 rifle....and darn it...he used a shotgun and a .38 revolver.......you know, the guns the anti gunners pretend they don't want to confiscate...

10 Dead in Santa Fe, Texas, School Shooting; Suspect Used Shotgun and Revolver

He used a shotgun and a .38 revolver, Gov. Greg Abbott of Texas said at a news conference.

States with strict gun laws have fewer firearms deaths. Here's how your state stacks up

Sorry, that isn't true...since they lie about gun deaths by mixing suicides in with gun murder...but thanks for showing that bad research again...

http://reason.com/archives/2016/01/05/you-know-less-than-you-think-a/1

Do Gun Laws Stop Gun Crimes?

The same week Kristof's column came out, National Journal attracted major media attention with a showy piece of research and analysis headlined "The States With The Most Gun Laws See The Fewest Gun-Related Deaths." The subhead lamented: "But there's still little appetite to talk about more restrictions."

Critics quickly noted that the Journal's Libby Isenstein had included suicides among "gun-related deaths" and suicide-irrelevant policies such as stand-your-ground laws among its tally of "gun laws." That meant that high-suicide, low-homicide states such as Wyoming, Alaska, and Idaho were taken to task for their liberal carry-permit policies. Worse, several of the states with what the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence considers terribly lax gun laws were dropped from Isenstein's data set because their murder rates were too low!

Another of National Journal's mistakes is a common one in gun science: The paper didn't look at gun statistics in the context of overall violent crime, a much more relevant measure to the policy debate. After all, if less gun crime doesn't mean less crime overall—if criminals simply substitute other weapons or means when guns are less available—the benefit of the relevant gun laws is thrown into doubt. When Thomas Firey of the Cato Institute ran regressions of Isenstein's study with slightly different specifications and considering all violent crime, each of her effects either disappeared or reversed.

Another recent well-publicized study trying to assert a positive connection between gun laws and public safety was a 2013 JAMA Internal Medicine article by the Harvard pediatrics professor Eric W. Fleegler and his colleagues, called "Firearm Legislation and Firearm-Related Fatalities in the United States." It offered a mostly static comparison of the toughness of state gun laws (as rated by the gun control lobbyists at the Brady Center) with gun deaths from 2007 to 2010.

"States with strictest firearm laws have lowest rates of gun deaths," a Boston Globeheadline then announced. But once again, if you take the simple, obvious step of separating out suicides from murders, the correlations that buttress the supposed causations disappear. As John Hinderaker headlined his reaction at the Power Line blog, "New Study Finds Firearm Laws Do Nothing to Prevent Homicides."

Among other anomalies in Fleegler's research, Hinderaker pointed out that it didn't include Washington, D.C., with its strict gun laws and frequent homicides. If just one weak-gun-law state, Louisiana, were taken out of the equation, "the remaining nine lowest-regulation states have an average gun homicide rate of 2.8 per 100,000, which is 12.5% less than the average of the ten states with the strictest gun control laws," he found.

October interview with Slate and found it wanting: "There have been studies that have essentially toted up the number of laws various states have on the books and examined the association between the number of laws and rates of firearm death," said Wintemute, who is a medical doctor and researcher at the University of California, Davis. "That's really bad science, and it shouldn't inform policymaking."

Wintemute thinks the factor such studies don't adequately consider is the number of people in a state who have guns to begin with, which is generally not known or even well-estimated on levels smaller than national, though researchers have used proxies from subscribers to certain gun-related magazines and percentages of suicides committed with guns to make educated guesses. "Perhaps these laws decrease mortality by decreasing firearm ownership, in which case firearm ownership mediates the association," Wintemute wrote in a 2013 JAMA Internal Medicine paper. "But perhaps, and more plausibly, these laws are more readily enacted in states where the prevalence of firearm ownership is low—there will be less opposition to them—and firearm ownership confounds the association."











Would Cracking Down on Guns in the U.S. Really Reduce Violence? , by Robert VerBruggen, National Review

There is actually no simple correlation between states’ homicide rates and their gun-ownership rates or gun laws.
This has been shown numerous times, by different people, using different data sets.

A year ago, I took state gun-ownership levels reported by the Washington Post (based on a Centers for Disease Control survey) and compared them with murder rates from the FBI: no correlation.

The legal scholar Eugene Volokh has compared states’ gun laws (as rated by the anti-gun Brady Campaign) with their murder rates: no correlation.

David Freddoso of the Washington Examiner, a former National Review reporter, failed to find a correlation even between gun ownership in a state and gun murders specifically, an approach that sets aside the issue of whether gun availability has an effect on non-gun crime. (Guns can deter unarmed criminals, for instance, and criminals without guns may simply switch to other weapons.)


, I recently redid my analysis with a few tweaks. Instead of relying on a single year of survey data, I averaged three years. (The CDC survey, the best available for state-level numbers, included data on gun ownership only in 2001, 2002, and 2004. Those were the years I looked at.)

And instead of comparing CDC data with murder rates from a different agency, I relied on the CDC’s own estimates of death by assault in those years. Again: no correlation.

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Left-leaning media outlets, from Mother Jones to National Journal, get around this absence of correlation by reporting numbers on “gun deaths” rather than gun homicides or homicides in general.
More than 60 percent of gun deaths nationally are suicides, and places with higher gun ownership typically see a higher percentage of their suicides committed with a gun.
Focusing on the number of gun deaths practically guarantees a finding that guns and violence go together. While it may be true that public policy should also seek to reduce suicide, it is homicide — often a dramatic mass killing — that usually prompts the media and politicians to call for gun control, and it is homicide that most influences people as they consider supporting measures to take away their fellow citizens’ access to guns.
There are large gaps among the states when it comes to homicide, with rates ranging all the way from about two to twelve per 100,000 in 2013, the most recent year of data available from the CDC. These disparities show that it’s not just guns that cause the United States to have, on average, a higher rate of homicide than other developed countries do. Not only is there no correlation between gun ownership and overall homicide within a state, but there is a strong correlation between gun homicide and non-gun homicide — suggesting that they spring from similar causes, and that some states are simply more violent than others. A closer look at demographic and geographic patterns provides some clues as to why this is.

 

[del]

So....now what? The anti gunners were praying to a god they don't believe in that the shooter was going to have used another AR-15 rifle....and darn it...he used a shotgun and a .38 revolver.......you know, the guns the anti gunners pretend they don't want to confiscate...

10 Dead in Santa Fe, Texas, School Shooting; Suspect Used Shotgun and Revolver

He used a shotgun and a .38 revolver, Gov. Greg Abbott of Texas said at a news conference.

lead paint chips aren't a snack food

 

[TemplarKormac]

This thread is garbage. Why can't anyone on either side stop politicizing this tragedy for just one day at least? Have we no more respect for the dead?

 

[2aguy]

This thread is garbage. Why can't anyone on either side stop politicizing this tragedy for just one day at least? Have we no more respect for the dead?

I used to think the way you do......then, when I was staying silent out of respect for the dead, the democrat gun grabbers were dragging the bodies of the dead through the still drying blood to scream and rant about taking guns away from people who didn't use guns to hurt anyone......

After watching the anti gunners do this over and over again, I realized they have no decency, and need to be fought every step as they advance their anti freedom crap...

 

[miketx]

"The anti gunners were praying to a god they don't believe in that the shooter was............"

That statement is true. You people love dead kids killed with guns.

 

[TemplarKormac]

This thread is garbage. Why can't anyone on either side stop politicizing this tragedy for just one day at least? Have we no more respect for the dead?

I used to think the way you do......then, when I was staying silent out of respect for the dead, the democrat gun grabbers were dragging the bodies of the dead through the still drying blood to scream and rant about taking guns away from people who didn't use guns to hurt anyone......

After watching the anti gunners do this over and over again, I realized they have no decency, and need to be fought every step as they advance their anti freedom crap...

Democrats dragging the bodies of the murder victims through the streets, all for an agenda, Republicans painting their faces with the blood of the victims as war paint to defend their gun rights. Makes very little difference to me. It's wrong.

I'm not telling you not to do it, you have every right to speak your mind, but still, I insist on it being wrong.

 

[2aguy]

This thread is garbage. Why can't anyone on either side stop politicizing this tragedy for just one day at least? Have we no more respect for the dead?

I used to think the way you do......then, when I was staying silent out of respect for the dead, the democrat gun grabbers were dragging the bodies of the dead through the still drying blood to scream and rant about taking guns away from people who didn't use guns to hurt anyone......

After watching the anti gunners do this over and over again, I realized they have no decency, and need to be fought every step as they advance their anti freedom crap...

Democrats dragging bodies for an agenda, Republicans painting their faces with the blood of the victims as war paint to defend their gun rights. Makes very little difference to me. It's wrong.

I'm not telling you not to do it, you have every right to speak your mind, but still, I insist on it being wrong.

Republicans aren't the ones politicizing the deaths...the democrats use the dead to push the emotions of uninformed Americans so they will give the democrats political power....that's on them....

 

[del]

This thread is garbage. Why can't anyone on either side stop politicizing this tragedy for just one day at least? Have we no more respect for the dead?

I used to think the way you do......then, when I was staying silent out of respect for the dead, the democrat gun grabbers were dragging the bodies of the dead through the still drying blood to scream and rant about taking guns away from people who didn't use guns to hurt anyone......

After watching the anti gunners do this over and over again, I realized they have no decency, and need to be fought every step as they advance their anti freedom crap...

Democrats dragging bodies for an agenda, Republicans painting their faces with the blood of the victims as war paint to defend their gun rights. Makes very little difference to me. It's wrong.

I'm not telling you not to do it, you have every right to speak your mind, but still, I insist on it being wrong.

Republicans aren't the ones politicizing the deaths...the democrats use the dead to push the emotions of uninformed Americans so they will give the democrats political power....that's on them....

 

[sealybobo]

So....now what? The anti gunners were praying to a god they don't believe in that the shooter was going to have used another AR-15 rifle....and darn it...he used a shotgun and a .38 revolver.......you know, the guns the anti gunners pretend they don't want to confiscate...

10 Dead in Santa Fe, Texas, School Shooting; Suspect Used Shotgun and Revolver

He used a shotgun and a .38 revolver, Gov. Greg Abbott of Texas said at a news conference.

Trump claims he will do everything he can to protect students, except obviously make it more difficult for people who shouldn't have them to get guns. Trump's empty words mean nothing because we all know that he will never act.

Wrong, the way you protect children is the way you protect congress....and democrat politicians in general, armed security.....there are 2,500 police officers to proted the 535 members of congress.......notice the diparity of good guys with guns vs. how many people with guns protect our kids?

I don't even care really. My nephews go to the most expensive and guarded private school in the state of Michigan. Good luck getting to my nephews.

Same reason I don't care if Republicans destroy public schools. Maybe people who send their kids to public school should have thought about that before they voted for Republicans.

The republicans don't control these schools you twit....the democrats control them through the teachers unions.....

And they say no arming the teachers.

Are we only hiring Nazi teachers now? I mean republican

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

i noticed all of your gun control "debate" threads entail a strawman premise

What false premise? The anti gun extremists around the country were praying the guy used an AR-15 rifle....sadly, for them, he used a shotgun, and a .38 revolver, the guns you asshats say you don't want to ban...yet.

They already reported that is was an AR-15.

 

[basquebromance]

How will the left publicize this horrendous tragedy to ban “assault rifles”? When will they realize it’s not the weapons fault! Cain murdered Able with a ROCK! Sad sad time in our history. root of the problem is mentally being able to cope with life.

 

[Wry Catcher]

This thread is garbage. Why can't anyone on either side stop politicizing this tragedy for just one day at least? Have we no more respect for the dead?

I used to think the way you do......then, when I was staying silent out of respect for the dead, the democrat gun grabbers were dragging the bodies of the dead through the still drying blood to scream and rant about taking guns away from people who didn't use guns to hurt anyone......

After watching the anti gunners do this over and over again, I realized they have no decency, and need to be fought every step as they advance their anti freedom crap...

Democrats dragging bodies for an agenda, Republicans painting their faces with the blood of the victims as war paint to defend their gun rights. Makes very little difference to me. It's wrong.

I'm not telling you not to do it, you have every right to speak your mind, but still, I insist on it being wrong.

Republicans aren't the ones politicizing the deaths...the democrats use the dead to push the emotions of uninformed Americans so they will give the democrats political power....that's on them....

Please don't laugh at 2aguy. He is obsessed with guns and lacks empathy. He hates Democrats, liberals, progressives and RINO's as well as everyone who grieves for their friends and loved ones struck down by bullets today and in the past.

His compulsion to post irrational and irrelevant comments are devoid of concern for anyone other than himself, and he uses every horrific event to blame everyone but himself and the policies of the NRA.

 

[fncceo]

Ban miltary-style weapons ...

 

[there4eyeM]

So, what psychological programs do self identified 'gunners' propose to address the national disease?

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

What the hell is up with all these messed up white boys ???

 

[there4eyeM]

What the hell is up with all these messed up white boys ???

What the hell is up with all these messed up white boys ???

Maybe it's something in the S.U.V. polluted air.

 

[JimBowie1958]

What the hell is up with all these messed up white boys ???

Maybe it's something in the S.U.V. polluted air.

Not all white boys have SUVs, racist.