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Ah. So he threw his own national intelligence apparatus under the bus in favor of a lying, murderous thug who has complete control over a dangerous adversary country, capitulating to him on the world stage with everyone watching, because it's corrupt?I couldn't have been more clear or specific.Just proves it's impossible to get an actual argument out of Mac, almost ever.
I said, "This isn't about meddling or collusion. It's about the President of the United States of America throwing his own national intelligence apparatus under the bus in favor of a lying, murderous thug who has complete control over a dangerous adversary country, capitulating to him on the world stage with everyone watching."
How much more clear do you need me to be?
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"His own".
The intelligence apparatus that bragged about making sure that Trump is never going to be a president.
You can't possibly be this dim...
Is that your argument?
.
Wow, that's quite a tight-knit little group you folks have formed.Ah. So he threw his own national intelligence apparatus under the bus in favor of a lying, murderous thug who has complete control over a dangerous adversary country, capitulating to him on the world stage with everyone watching, because it's corrupt?I couldn't have been more clear or specific.Just proves it's impossible to get an actual argument out of Mac, almost ever.
I said, "This isn't about meddling or collusion. It's about the President of the United States of America throwing his own national intelligence apparatus under the bus in favor of a lying, murderous thug who has complete control over a dangerous adversary country, capitulating to him on the world stage with everyone watching."
How much more clear do you need me to be?
.
"His own".
The intelligence apparatus that bragged about making sure that Trump is never going to be a president.
You can't possibly be this dim...
Is that your argument?
.
It's not merely corrupt, it has been treasonous against Trump. And treasonous against American people...
When's the last time thousands of Americans had to die because Russia fabricated evidence regarding weapons of mass destruction?
Trump didn't side with the Russians, he sided with the evidence. Because he has a brain.
This isn't about meddling or collusion. It's about the President of the United States of America throwing his own national intelligence apparatus under the bus in favor of a lying, murderous thug who has complete control over a dangerous adversary country, capitulating to him on the world stage with everyone watching.
Right after spitting in the face of our European allies.
This isn't about what happened years ago or decades ago. Trying to deflect away from what happened yesterday isn't going to work.
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It actually makes sense now, as of a post to me a few minutes ago.What happened yesterday was nothing. Stop trying to make it something.
It actually makes sense now, as of a post to me a few minutes ago.What happened yesterday was nothing. Stop trying to make it something.
Started a thread on it, and you just confirmed it with your post: The reason Trump did what he did at the press conference with Putin
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You asked the question "what's the difference", a question I answered and, all the other stuff you brought up just deflects from. I'll be a good sport and answer some.Well it might be a big deal because in your first 2 examples the people involved declined the help and in your third no actual American help was used .Even "Pravda West" has to admit their role model has meddled in past US elections!!!
ROBYN BLUMNER ST. PETERSBURG TIMES NEWSPAPER Poynter Online SPT St. Pete Times exposed concerning the Pledge of Allegiance and the sick socialist swastika. http://rexcurry.net/pledge-allegiance-pledge-allegiance2.jpg ROBIN BLUMNER forum, Daniel Ruth
Over the course of 11 presidential elections between the end of World War II and the fall of the Soviet Union, we identified three secret attempts to influence an election.
• 1960: Through his ambassador to the United States, Mikhail Menshikov, Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev offered Adlai Stevenson help from a secret propaganda campaign. However, Stevenson declined the offer. He lost in the Democratic primary to John F. Kennedy.
• 1968: The Soviet Union’s ambassador to the U.S., Anatoly Dobrynin, offered to secretly fund Hubert Humphrey’s campaign against Richard Nixon. Humphrey declined the bribe.
• 1976: Fearing that anti-communist Democrat Henry "Scoop" Jackson stood a good chance at winning in the wake of Nixon’s resignation, the KGB began a smear campaign.
Soviet spies forged FBI paperwork to make it appear Jackson was secretly gay and sent the fake reports to newspapers around the United States during the election and for years after.
A brief history of Russian meddling in US elections
In this case when offered help people in the Trump campaign replied with. "I love it". Not to mention that the FACT that the current president even now still publicly casts doubt it ever happened at all. I don't know, but to me that's a world of difference.
Right... But it IS NOT new! And is there ANY proof that Trump accepted Russia's help?
We know that Hillary's campaign did and that members of the FBI worked on the material that would have helped Hillary...i.e. the Trump Dossier was investigated by
a deputy DOJ who's wife worked for the company that provided the Dossier!
So please explain that.
WASHINGTON – It turns out Donald Trump wasn’t the only candidate the Russians allegedly tried to help during the 2016 presidential campaign.
A 37-page indictment resulting from special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation shows that Russian nationals and businesses also worked to boost the campaigns of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and Green party nominee Jill Stein in an effort to damage Democrat Hillary Clinton.
The Russians “engaged in operations primarily intended to communicate derogatory information about Hillary Clinton, to denigrate other candidates such as Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, and to support Bernie Sanders and then-candidate Donald Trump,” according to the indictment, which was issued Friday.
Indictment: Russians also tried to help Bernie Sanders, Jill Stein presidential campaigns
Wow, that's quite a tight-knit little group you folks have formed.Ah. So he threw his own national intelligence apparatus under the bus in favor of a lying, murderous thug who has complete control over a dangerous adversary country, capitulating to him on the world stage with everyone watching, because it's corrupt?I couldn't have been more clear or specific.Just proves it's impossible to get an actual argument out of Mac, almost ever.
I said, "This isn't about meddling or collusion. It's about the President of the United States of America throwing his own national intelligence apparatus under the bus in favor of a lying, murderous thug who has complete control over a dangerous adversary country, capitulating to him on the world stage with everyone watching."
How much more clear do you need me to be?
.
"His own".
The intelligence apparatus that bragged about making sure that Trump is never going to be a president.
You can't possibly be this dim...
Is that your argument?
.
It's not merely corrupt, it has been treasonous against Trump. And treasonous against American people...
When's the last time thousands of Americans had to die because Russia fabricated evidence regarding weapons of mass destruction?
Trump didn't side with the Russians, he sided with the evidence. Because he has a brain.
Trump and his supporters versus pretty much everyone, including American intelligence.
Okay, thanks for pointing that out. His behavior yesterday may be making more sense now.
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My points have been specifically about what Trump said and did yesterday. That has not changed.Wow, that's quite a tight-knit little group you folks have formed.Ah. So he threw his own national intelligence apparatus under the bus in favor of a lying, murderous thug who has complete control over a dangerous adversary country, capitulating to him on the world stage with everyone watching, because it's corrupt?I couldn't have been more clear or specific.
I said, "This isn't about meddling or collusion. It's about the President of the United States of America throwing his own national intelligence apparatus under the bus in favor of a lying, murderous thug who has complete control over a dangerous adversary country, capitulating to him on the world stage with everyone watching."
How much more clear do you need me to be?
.
"His own".
The intelligence apparatus that bragged about making sure that Trump is never going to be a president.
You can't possibly be this dim...
Is that your argument?
.
It's not merely corrupt, it has been treasonous against Trump. And treasonous against American people...
When's the last time thousands of Americans had to die because Russia fabricated evidence regarding weapons of mass destruction?
Trump didn't side with the Russians, he sided with the evidence. Because he has a brain.
Trump and his supporters versus pretty much everyone, including American intelligence.
Okay, thanks for pointing that out. His behavior yesterday may be making more sense now.
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Americans are cheering.
Anti-Americans, not so much...
Mac, feel free to bring in the evidence ANY TIME! I am waiting... Until that, you can't expect Trump to side with his own witch hunters.
My points have been specifically about what Trump said and did yesterday. That has not changed.Wow, that's quite a tight-knit little group you folks have formed.Ah. So he threw his own national intelligence apparatus under the bus in favor of a lying, murderous thug who has complete control over a dangerous adversary country, capitulating to him on the world stage with everyone watching, because it's corrupt?"His own".
The intelligence apparatus that bragged about making sure that Trump is never going to be a president.
You can't possibly be this dim...
Is that your argument?
.
It's not merely corrupt, it has been treasonous against Trump. And treasonous against American people...
When's the last time thousands of Americans had to die because Russia fabricated evidence regarding weapons of mass destruction?
Trump didn't side with the Russians, he sided with the evidence. Because he has a brain.
Trump and his supporters versus pretty much everyone, including American intelligence.
Okay, thanks for pointing that out. His behavior yesterday may be making more sense now.
.
Americans are cheering.
Anti-Americans, not so much...
Mac, feel free to bring in the evidence ANY TIME! I am waiting... Until that, you can't expect Trump to side with his own witch hunters.
I can understand the impulse to deflect away from them, but that doesn't change them.
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He threw our entire intelligence apparatus under the bus for Vladimir Putin.My points have been specifically about what Trump said and did yesterday. That has not changed.Wow, that's quite a tight-knit little group you folks have formed.Ah. So he threw his own national intelligence apparatus under the bus in favor of a lying, murderous thug who has complete control over a dangerous adversary country, capitulating to him on the world stage with everyone watching, because it's corrupt?
Is that your argument?
.
It's not merely corrupt, it has been treasonous against Trump. And treasonous against American people...
When's the last time thousands of Americans had to die because Russia fabricated evidence regarding weapons of mass destruction?
Trump didn't side with the Russians, he sided with the evidence. Because he has a brain.
Trump and his supporters versus pretty much everyone, including American intelligence.
Okay, thanks for pointing that out. His behavior yesterday may be making more sense now.
.
Americans are cheering.
Anti-Americans, not so much...
Mac, feel free to bring in the evidence ANY TIME! I am waiting... Until that, you can't expect Trump to side with his own witch hunters.
I can understand the impulse to deflect away from them, but that doesn't change them.
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He went with the evidence.
It's the American way. Had we done the same regarding Iraq war lives would have been saved. Innocent until proven guilty, one of the prime western values.
Well it might be a big deal because in your first 2 examples the people involved declined the help and in your third no actual American help was used .Even "Pravda West" has to admit their role model has meddled in past US elections!!!
ROBYN BLUMNER ST. PETERSBURG TIMES NEWSPAPER Poynter Online SPT St. Pete Times exposed concerning the Pledge of Allegiance and the sick socialist swastika. http://rexcurry.net/pledge-allegiance-pledge-allegiance2.jpg ROBIN BLUMNER forum, Daniel Ruth
Over the course of 11 presidential elections between the end of World War II and the fall of the Soviet Union, we identified three secret attempts to influence an election.
• 1960: Through his ambassador to the United States, Mikhail Menshikov, Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev offered Adlai Stevenson help from a secret propaganda campaign. However, Stevenson declined the offer. He lost in the Democratic primary to John F. Kennedy.
• 1968: The Soviet Union’s ambassador to the U.S., Anatoly Dobrynin, offered to secretly fund Hubert Humphrey’s campaign against Richard Nixon. Humphrey declined the bribe.
• 1976: Fearing that anti-communist Democrat Henry "Scoop" Jackson stood a good chance at winning in the wake of Nixon’s resignation, the KGB began a smear campaign.
Soviet spies forged FBI paperwork to make it appear Jackson was secretly gay and sent the fake reports to newspapers around the United States during the election and for years after.
A brief history of Russian meddling in US elections
In this case when offered help people in the Trump campaign replied with. "I love it". Not to mention that the FACT that the current president even now still publicly casts doubt it ever happened at all. I don't know, but to me that's a world of difference.
OK... let me ask you a simple question.Well it might be a big deal because in your first 2 examples the people involved declined the help and in your third no actual American help was used .Even "Pravda West" has to admit their role model has meddled in past US elections!!!
ROBYN BLUMNER ST. PETERSBURG TIMES NEWSPAPER Poynter Online SPT St. Pete Times exposed concerning the Pledge of Allegiance and the sick socialist swastika. http://rexcurry.net/pledge-allegiance-pledge-allegiance2.jpg ROBIN BLUMNER forum, Daniel Ruth
Over the course of 11 presidential elections between the end of World War II and the fall of the Soviet Union, we identified three secret attempts to influence an election.
• 1960: Through his ambassador to the United States, Mikhail Menshikov, Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev offered Adlai Stevenson help from a secret propaganda campaign. However, Stevenson declined the offer. He lost in the Democratic primary to John F. Kennedy.
• 1968: The Soviet Union’s ambassador to the U.S., Anatoly Dobrynin, offered to secretly fund Hubert Humphrey’s campaign against Richard Nixon. Humphrey declined the bribe.
• 1976: Fearing that anti-communist Democrat Henry "Scoop" Jackson stood a good chance at winning in the wake of Nixon’s resignation, the KGB began a smear campaign.
Soviet spies forged FBI paperwork to make it appear Jackson was secretly gay and sent the fake reports to newspapers around the United States during the election and for years after.
A brief history of Russian meddling in US elections
In this case when offered help people in the Trump campaign replied with. "I love it". Not to mention that the FACT that the current president even now still publicly casts doubt it ever happened at all. I don't know, but to me that's a world of difference.
Not to mention that the foreign policy decisions of this President have all been to the detriment of the USA and to the benefit of Vladimir Putin and Russia.
Actually...you bringing up Israel makes me wonder what Israel thinks of the fake president being Putin's cock holster.What do the libtards call it when Obama meddled in Israels election?
OK... let me ask you a simple question.Well it might be a big deal because in your first 2 examples the people involved declined the help and in your third no actual American help was used .Even "Pravda West" has to admit their role model has meddled in past US elections!!!
ROBYN BLUMNER ST. PETERSBURG TIMES NEWSPAPER Poynter Online SPT St. Pete Times exposed concerning the Pledge of Allegiance and the sick socialist swastika. http://rexcurry.net/pledge-allegiance-pledge-allegiance2.jpg ROBIN BLUMNER forum, Daniel Ruth
Over the course of 11 presidential elections between the end of World War II and the fall of the Soviet Union, we identified three secret attempts to influence an election.
• 1960: Through his ambassador to the United States, Mikhail Menshikov, Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev offered Adlai Stevenson help from a secret propaganda campaign. However, Stevenson declined the offer. He lost in the Democratic primary to John F. Kennedy.
• 1968: The Soviet Union’s ambassador to the U.S., Anatoly Dobrynin, offered to secretly fund Hubert Humphrey’s campaign against Richard Nixon. Humphrey declined the bribe.
• 1976: Fearing that anti-communist Democrat Henry "Scoop" Jackson stood a good chance at winning in the wake of Nixon’s resignation, the KGB began a smear campaign.
Soviet spies forged FBI paperwork to make it appear Jackson was secretly gay and sent the fake reports to newspapers around the United States during the election and for years after.
A brief history of Russian meddling in US elections
In this case when offered help people in the Trump campaign replied with. "I love it". Not to mention that the FACT that the current president even now still publicly casts doubt it ever happened at all. I don't know, but to me that's a world of difference.
Not to mention that the foreign policy decisions of this President have all been to the detriment of the USA and to the benefit of Vladimir Putin and Russia.
Given the below chart... do you think the below countries national defense forces will be strengthened or weakened when it comes time to thwart a possible Russian invasion?
Because what Trump was bringing to THE WORLD's attention was by encouraging these NATO member countries to spend more on national defense (and by the way... I'm sure you are confused but this chart is for NATO countries that spend money NOT on NATO...BUT THEIR OWN NATIONAL DEFENSE!!!) and in doing so would they not make it more difficult for Russia to invade these countries?
Just asking because I think you maybe believing the biased MSM and not figure out on your own what Trump's successes were on this of his most current world leaders' trips!
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One cannot be treasonous against trump. You just gave yourself away, Comrade.Ah. So he threw his own national intelligence apparatus under the bus in favor of a lying, murderous thug who has complete control over a dangerous adversary country, capitulating to him on the world stage with everyone watching, because it's corrupt?I couldn't have been more clear or specific.Just proves it's impossible to get an actual argument out of Mac, almost ever.
I said, "This isn't about meddling or collusion. It's about the President of the United States of America throwing his own national intelligence apparatus under the bus in favor of a lying, murderous thug who has complete control over a dangerous adversary country, capitulating to him on the world stage with everyone watching."
How much more clear do you need me to be?
.
"His own".
The intelligence apparatus that bragged about making sure that Trump is never going to be a president.
You can't possibly be this dim...
Is that your argument?
.
It's not merely corrupt, it has been treasonous against Trump. And treasonous against American people...
When's the last time thousands of Americans had to die because Russia fabricated evidence regarding weapons of mass destruction?
Trump didn't side with the Russians, he sided with the evidence. Because he has a brain.
"If Hillary had won, you can bet Democrats wouldn't even be talking about this." Correct, because it wouldn't have happened.Interesting how Democrat Fake News conveniently doesn't report that their Hitlery paid the Brits and Russians to influence our Election. It never happened as far as they're concerned. The OP is Spot On. If Hitlery had won, you can bet Democrats wouldn't even be talking about this.
The plan was for her and Obama to set Trump up and make sure he didn't win. But they failed. And that's why you're seeing their daily hissy-fits. They can't believe he won. So if you can't win at the Ballot Box, just try and take him out by all other means possible. It's just another scam. It is what it is.
/---/ And more proof of Collusion:Even "Pravda West" has to admit their role model has meddled in past US elections!!!
ROBYN BLUMNER ST. PETERSBURG TIMES NEWSPAPER Poynter Online SPT St. Pete Times exposed concerning the Pledge of Allegiance and the sick socialist swastika. http://rexcurry.net/pledge-allegiance-pledge-allegiance2.jpg ROBIN BLUMNER forum, Daniel Ruth
Over the course of 11 presidential elections between the end of World War II and the fall of the Soviet Union, we identified three secret attempts to influence an election.
• 1960: Through his ambassador to the United States, Mikhail Menshikov, Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev offered Adlai Stevenson help from a secret propaganda campaign. However, Stevenson declined the offer. He lost in the Democratic primary to John F. Kennedy.
• 1968: The Soviet Union’s ambassador to the U.S., Anatoly Dobrynin, offered to secretly fund Hubert Humphrey’s campaign against Richard Nixon. Humphrey declined the bribe.
• 1976: Fearing that anti-communist Democrat Henry "Scoop" Jackson stood a good chance at winning in the wake of Nixon’s resignation, the KGB began a smear campaign.
Soviet spies forged FBI paperwork to make it appear Jackson was secretly gay and sent the fake reports to newspapers around the United States during the election and for years after.
A brief history of Russian meddling in US elections
Ted Kennedy's Secret Appeal to Russia to Hurt Reagan
https://www.dailysignal.com/.../ted-kennedy-made-secret-overtures-to-russia-to-preve...
Dec 14, 2016 -
Sen. Edward “Ted” Kennedy had “selfish political and ideological motives” when he made secret overtures to the Soviet Union’s spy agency during the Cold War to thwart then-President Ronald Reagan’s re-election, a Reagan biographer said in an interview with The Daily Signal.
When they came to light years later, Kennedy’s secret contacts with the Russians through their KGB spy agency in the early 1980s didn’t cause nearly the tizzy that Russia’s alleged interference with this year’s election has for President-elect Donald Trump among liberal activists and reporters.
