Rush Limbaugh Claims Conservative States Are ‘Trending Toward Secession’

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

It's time we find a new name for conservatives because they damned sure are not conservative anymore. They get more radical everyday and it's because of outrage merchants like Rush pushing absolutist hyperbolic rhetoric. Secession is a stupid idea for a lot of reasons but the one question that I wonder about is who is going to volunteer to be the underclass in their fascist society? Rightist government does not function without an oppressed minority / enemy within / scapegoat population to justify the police state they crave.

Total delusion
I mean Jesus fucking christ total delusion.

There is no other reason any Trumpbot would want to secede other than to create a society where only wealthy white protestant males have all the power. Can't have that without a lot of muscle and an exploited subclass to do all the shit work. What's the use of making your own country if you have to start picking your own crops and cutting your own grass? Gotta have slaves in your new Confederacy so who's it going to be?

White people have all the power right here.
No one is looking to leave.
A few little cock suckers like you will get bitch slapped, maybe a few will die.

You like talking tough don't you? That's alright, I know you wouldn't do it to my face, no one does.

With or without your paintball mask?

 

[Lesh]

So Rush wants his legacy to be starting a fucking civil war?

What does he care right?

He'll be gone soon enough

 

[occupied]

It's time we find a new name for conservatives because they damned sure are not conservative anymore. They get more radical everyday and it's because of outrage merchants like Rush pushing absolutist hyperbolic rhetoric. Secession is a stupid idea for a lot of reasons but the one question that I wonder about is who is going to volunteer to be the underclass in their fascist society? Rightist government does not function without an oppressed minority / enemy within / scapegoat population to justify the police state they crave.

Total delusion
I mean Jesus fucking christ total delusion.

There is no other reason any Trumpbot would want to secede other than to create a society where only wealthy white protestant males have all the power. Can't have that without a lot of muscle and an exploited subclass to do all the shit work. What's the use of making your own country if you have to start picking your own crops and cutting your own grass? Gotta have slaves in your new Confederacy so who's it going to be?

How many times do you have to be told it's the dems who owned the slaves and the republicans who freed them ?
Are you stupid or something?

How many times are you assholes going to pretend that the dixiecrats were somehow the ideological forebears of modern liberalism? It's fucking ludicrous. I grew up in Alabama during desegregation and the rise of the "moral" majority. Peddle your bullshit to someone who does not know any better.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Blue believes this country was founded as a democracy in 1620 on a foundation of slavery. Red believes that a revolution in 1776 brought this nation as a Republic conceived in liberty.

If we can't agree on that much we will not agree to hold the country together. And we can't agree on that much.

Blue State America is hemorrhaging their financial foundations. Most of Wall Street has left New York. Nasdaq is moving to Texas. Goldman Sachs is looking out of state. Many others have left. The back of New York's tax structure is broken.

On the west coast major companies are leaving as fast as they can rent office space. In the last two years 90,000 employers have left San Francisco. Portland and Seattle are depopulating themselves of productive citizens and replacing them with criminals.

Blue states have nothing to hold out as success. Not any more.

You are just stupid. Rather Jamestown, or Plymouth Rock, this nation was founded by speculators. It was a business enterprise. People had their way over here paid for by "stockholders" back in England, some through something called indentured servitude. The people that came here were, for the most part, those that occupied the bottom of society in England. The very people that built this nation are the very people you asshole make believe conservative condemn the most. The ones with the free Obamaphones, the ones on welfare, the low wage workers living in poverty. They are the modern day equivalent of the people that built this nation.

That whole conceived in liberty bullshit is the stuff they spoon feed the masses, starting in elementary school. Liberty for who, white privileged landowners, and no one else. Not slaves, not women, not even poor tenant farmers. The whole secession from England was because those wealthy white landowners didn't want to pay taxes. Sound familiar? They never understood where the real strength was, they never understood that their wealth was dependent on the "salt of the earth", just like you flippin moron Trumpbots don't understand.

Do it. Secede. All your guns, and all your ammo, and all your self-inflated misperceptions, will wither and evaporate as the real Americans in this country finally wake up, clean up, and stand up. Pretty safe bet you have no damn idea where that quote comes from.

Cool.story bro. Except for one little thingy.....low wage workers and welfare recipients dont pay taxes numbnutz and to make sure they stay just where they are you leftists give them a tax refund and just enough freebies to keep their vote.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

It's time we find a new name for conservatives because they damned sure are not conservative anymore. They get more radical everyday and it's because of outrage merchants like Rush pushing absolutist hyperbolic rhetoric. Secession is a stupid idea for a lot of reasons but the one question that I wonder about is who is going to volunteer to be the underclass in their fascist society? Rightist government does not function without an oppressed minority / enemy within / scapegoat population to justify the police state they crave.

Total delusion
I mean Jesus fucking christ total delusion.

There is no other reason any Trumpbot would want to secede other than to create a society where only wealthy white protestant males have all the power. Can't have that without a lot of muscle and an exploited subclass to do all the shit work. What's the use of making your own country if you have to start picking your own crops and cutting your own grass? Gotta have slaves in your new Confederacy so who's it going to be?

How many times do you have to be told it's the dems who owned the slaves and the republicans who freed them ?
Are you stupid or something?

How many times are you assholes going to pretend that the dixiecrats were somehow the ideological forebears of modern liberalism? It's fucking ludicrous. I grew up in Alabama during desegregation and the rise of the "moral" majority. Peddle your bullshit to someone who does not know any better.

Hahaha....you know nothing except lying to yourself.

 

[Dana7360]

Well, it is probobly just more of his hyperbolic logorrhea but its an interesting prospect. I say let them go! The Blue States would be better off. Red states contribute less in Federal tax revenues while getting more aid. They elect bigots and Fascists to state and national office. They want to deny people the right to vote and want to stifle the free press. They want to deprive people of access to health care including reproductive care ., and there is so much more.

As I have said before, perhaps we should have not have fought the Civil War. If we had just let the south go , we would have been better off in the long run. Sure the scourge of slavery would have lingered longer but that system would crumbled in time as it has elsewhere. It can also be said that slavery never really ended but rather, it morphed into and system of indentured servitude in the form of prison labor camps comprised mostly of black men. So what dis the Civil War really accomplish. Not much other that preserving the union consisting of states with vastly different view and values and producing an increasingly divided nation.

Rush Limbaugh Claims Conservative States Are ‘Trending Toward Secession’ | Michael Stone (patheos.com)

I actually think that we’re trending toward secession. I see more and more people asking what in the world do we have in common with the people who live in, say, New York? What is there that makes us believe that there is enough of us there to even have a chance at winning New York? Especially if you’re talking about votes.

I agree.

I'm tired of supporting their deadbeat asses. While they destroy democracy, shred our constitution and take freedom from those who don't agree with them.

They are a drain on our resources and hate the rest of the nation.

I say let them go. First I want them to pay for all the federal infrastructure in their states that belongs to the United States. If they want to keep that infrastructure then have to pay for it.

I say let them support themselves and live in their authoritarian state they want so badly.

Once the leave, they can't come back. They can't come to us with their hands out wanting our tax dollars anymore.

 

[occupied]

,,,

It's time we find a new name for conservatives because they damned sure are not conservative anymore. They get more radical everyday and it's because of outrage merchants like Rush pushing absolutist hyperbolic rhetoric. Secession is a stupid idea for a lot of reasons but the one question that I wonder about is who is going to volunteer to be the underclass in their fascist society? Rightist government does not function without an oppressed minority / enemy within / scapegoat population to justify the police state they crave.

Total delusion
I mean Jesus fucking christ total delusion.

There is no other reason any Trumpbot would want to secede other than to create a society where only wealthy white protestant males have all the power. Can't have that without a lot of muscle and an exploited subclass to do all the shit work. What's the use of making your own country if you have to start picking your own crops and cutting your own grass? Gotta have slaves in your new Confederacy so who's it going to be?

How many times do you have to be told it's the dems who owned the slaves and the republicans who freed them ?
Are you stupid or something?

How many times are you assholes going to pretend that the dixiecrats were somehow the ideological forebears of modern liberalism? It's fucking ludicrous. I grew up in Alabama during desegregation and the rise of the "moral" majority. Peddle your bullshit to someone who does not know any better.

Hahaha....you know nothing except lying to yourself.

What do you know jackass? You're just another loser following a loser.

 

[Dana7360]

Blue believes this country was founded as a democracy in 1620 on a foundation of slavery. Red believes that a revolution in 1776 brought this nation as a Republic conceived in liberty.

No one is stupid enough to believe that the country was founded in 1620 besides you

I know.

They believe that the pilgrims founded the United States of America.

They didn't.

They founded the 13 British colonies. Ruled by a king and the christian church.

It wasn't until the next century that the colonists had enough and told king George to bite me. They went to war to become free from that king and have self governance and self determination.

They won that war.

They created the United States of America.

Not the pilgrims. The pilgrims were the people who put people in public stocks, burned people at the stake for being a witch and allowed the christian church to control their lives.

 

[Lesh]

Well, it is probobly just more of his hyperbolic logorrhea but its an interesting prospect. I say let them go! The Blue States would be better off. Red states contribute less in Federal tax revenues while getting more aid. They elect bigots and Fascists to state and national office. They want to deny people the right to vote and want to stifle the free press. They want to deprive people of access to health care including reproductive care ., and there is so much more.

As I have said before, perhaps we should have not have fought the Civil War. If we had just let the south go , we would have been better off in the long run. Sure the scourge of slavery would have lingered longer but that system would crumbled in time as it has elsewhere. It can also be said that slavery never really ended but rather, it morphed into and system of indentured servitude in the form of prison labor camps comprised mostly of black men. So what dis the Civil War really accomplish. Not much other that preserving the union consisting of states with vastly different view and values and producing an increasingly divided nation.

Rush Limbaugh Claims Conservative States Are ‘Trending Toward Secession’ | Michael Stone (patheos.com)

I actually think that we’re trending toward secession. I see more and more people asking what in the world do we have in common with the people who live in, say, New York? What is there that makes us believe that there is enough of us there to even have a chance at winning New York? Especially if you’re talking about votes.

I agree.

I'm tired of supporting their deadbeat asses. While they destroy democracy, shred our constitution and take freedom from those who don't agree with them.

They are a drain on our resources and hate the rest of the nation.

I say let them go. First I want them to pay for all the federal infrastructure in their states that belongs to the United States. If they want to keep that infrastructure then have to pay for it.

I say let them support themselves and live in their authoritarian state they want so badly.

Once the leave, they can't come back. They can't come to us with their hands out wanting our tax dollars anymore.

I understand your anger and your frustration but no. They are Americans. Much like family...you can be angry at them but you don't cut em loose.

 

[JWBooth]

Well, it is probobly just more of his hyperbolic logorrhea but its an interesting prospect. I say let them go! The Blue States would be better off. Red states contribute less in Federal tax revenues while getting more aid. They elect bigots and Fascists to state and national office. They want to deny people the right to vote and want to stifle the free press. They want to deprive people of access to health care including reproductive care ., and there is so much more.

As I have said before, perhaps we should have not have fought the Civil War. If we had just let the south go , we would have been better off in the long run. Sure the scourge of slavery would have lingered longer but that system would crumbled in time as it has elsewhere. It can also be said that slavery never really ended but rather, it morphed into and system of indentured servitude in the form of prison labor camps comprised mostly of black men. So what dis the Civil War really accomplish. Not much other that preserving the union consisting of states with vastly different view and values and producing an increasingly divided nation.

Rush Limbaugh Claims Conservative States Are ‘Trending Toward Secession’ | Michael Stone (patheos.com)

I actually think that we’re trending toward secession. I see more and more people asking what in the world do we have in common with the people who live in, say, New York? What is there that makes us believe that there is enough of us there to even have a chance at winning New York? Especially if you’re talking about votes.

It’s a fun talking point but nobody is gonna stop suckling that DC government teat

 

[JWBooth]

Well, it is probobly just more of his hyperbolic logorrhea but its an interesting prospect. I say let them go! The Blue States would be better off. Red states contribute less in Federal tax revenues while getting more aid. They elect bigots and Fascists to state and national office. They want to deny people the right to vote and want to stifle the free press. They want to deprive people of access to health care including reproductive care ., and there is so much more.

As I have said before, perhaps we should have not have fought the Civil War. If we had just let the south go , we would have been better off in the long run. Sure the scourge of slavery would have lingered longer but that system would crumbled in time as it has elsewhere. It can also be said that slavery never really ended but rather, it morphed into and system of indentured servitude in the form of prison labor camps comprised mostly of black men. So what dis the Civil War really accomplish. Not much other that preserving the union consisting of states with vastly different view and values and producing an increasingly divided nation.

Rush Limbaugh Claims Conservative States Are ‘Trending Toward Secession’ | Michael Stone (patheos.com)

I actually think that we’re trending toward secession. I see more and more people asking what in the world do we have in common with the people who live in, say, New York? What is there that makes us believe that there is enough of us there to even have a chance at winning New York? Especially if you’re talking about votes.

I agree.

I'm tired of supporting their deadbeat asses. While they destroy democracy, shred our constitution and take freedom from those who don't agree with them.

They are a drain on our resources and hate the rest of the nation.

I say let them go. First I want them to pay for all the federal infrastructure in their states that belongs to the United States. If they want to keep that infrastructure then have to pay for it.

I say let them support themselves and live in their authoritarian state they want so badly.

Once the leave, they can't come back. They can't come to us with their hands out wanting our tax dollars anymore.

I understand your anger and your frustration but no. They are Americans. Much like family...you can be angry at them but you don't cut em loose.

It’s spelled DIVORCE.

 

[Lesh]

Well, it is probobly just more of his hyperbolic logorrhea but its an interesting prospect. I say let them go! The Blue States would be better off. Red states contribute less in Federal tax revenues while getting more aid. They elect bigots and Fascists to state and national office. They want to deny people the right to vote and want to stifle the free press. They want to deprive people of access to health care including reproductive care ., and there is so much more.

As I have said before, perhaps we should have not have fought the Civil War. If we had just let the south go , we would have been better off in the long run. Sure the scourge of slavery would have lingered longer but that system would crumbled in time as it has elsewhere. It can also be said that slavery never really ended but rather, it morphed into and system of indentured servitude in the form of prison labor camps comprised mostly of black men. So what dis the Civil War really accomplish. Not much other that preserving the union consisting of states with vastly different view and values and producing an increasingly divided nation.

Rush Limbaugh Claims Conservative States Are ‘Trending Toward Secession’ | Michael Stone (patheos.com)

I actually think that we’re trending toward secession. I see more and more people asking what in the world do we have in common with the people who live in, say, New York? What is there that makes us believe that there is enough of us there to even have a chance at winning New York? Especially if you’re talking about votes.

I agree.

I'm tired of supporting their deadbeat asses. While they destroy democracy, shred our constitution and take freedom from those who don't agree with them.

They are a drain on our resources and hate the rest of the nation.

I say let them go. First I want them to pay for all the federal infrastructure in their states that belongs to the United States. If they want to keep that infrastructure then have to pay for it.

I say let them support themselves and live in their authoritarian state they want so badly.

Once the leave, they can't come back. They can't come to us with their hands out wanting our tax dollars anymore.

I understand your anger and your frustration but no. They are Americans. Much like family...you can be angry at them but you don't cut em loose.

It’s spelled DIVORCE.

I've been married 40 some years. There have been some rough times but we stuck it out...and we're better for it.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Secede. The federal govt is tyranny.

 

[XponentialChaos]

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Well, it is probobly just more of his hyperbolic logorrhea but its an interesting prospect. I say let them go! The Blue States would be better off. Red states contribute less in Federal tax revenues while getting more aid. They elect bigots and Fascists to state and national office. They want to deny people the right to vote and want to stifle the free press. They want to deprive people of access to health care including reproductive care ., and there is so much more.

As I have said before, perhaps we should have not have fought the Civil War. If we had just let the south go , we would have been better off in the long run. Sure the scourge of slavery would have lingered longer but that system would crumbled in time as it has elsewhere. It can also be said that slavery never really ended but rather, it morphed into and system of indentured servitude in the form of prison labor camps comprised mostly of black men. So what dis the Civil War really accomplish. Not much other that preserving the union consisting of states with vastly different view and values and producing an increasingly divided nation.

Rush Limbaugh Claims Conservative States Are ‘Trending Toward Secession’ | Michael Stone (patheos.com)

I actually think that we’re trending toward secession. I see more and more people asking what in the world do we have in common with the people who live in, say, New York? What is there that makes us believe that there is enough of us there to even have a chance at winning New York? Especially if you’re talking about votes.

DOWN WITH THE UNION !

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

It's time we find a new name for conservatives because they damned sure are not conservative anymore. They get more radical everyday and it's because of outrage merchants like Rush pushing absolutist hyperbolic rhetoric. Secession is a stupid idea for a lot of reasons but the one question that I wonder about is who is going to volunteer to be the underclass in their fascist society? Rightist government does not function without an oppressed minority / enemy within / scapegoat population to justify the police state they crave.

Total delusion
I mean Jesus fucking christ total delusion.

There is no other reason any Trumpbot would want to secede other than to create a society where only wealthy white protestant males have all the power. Can't have that without a lot of muscle and an exploited subclass to do all the shit work. What's the use of making your own country if you have to start picking your own crops and cutting your own grass? Gotta have slaves in your new Confederacy so who's it going to be?

How many times do you have to be told it's the dems who owned the slaves and the republicans who freed them ?
Are you stupid or something?

How many times do you have to be told that it was a different Democratic Party and a different Republican Party then. It was the southern Democrats who supported slavery and the KKK. The racists fled from the Democratic Party like rats from a sinking ship when the Democrats embraced civil rights, and found a loving home with the Republicans

Debunking the Lie that the Democrats were the Original Racist Party
Few things annoy me more than when people who want to stick a thumb in the eye of Democrats resort to tactics such as pointing out they founded the Ku Klux Klan or pushed through Jim Crow laws following the Civil War. The intent seems to be to draw attention away from the party that harbors the racists of today by shaming the Democrats for the sins of our forefathers.

It’s a sleazy tactic that doesn’t work, and It is time to set the record straight. First of all, Democrats- for the most part- do not deny or try to hide the parties past. Second, I will show how, when and why the racists fled from the Democratic Party and found a new home and lastly, I will present evidence that shows how, during the civil rights era, support for civil right legislation was split, not by party affiliation but by regional loyalty-specifically the old Confederacy and the Union. Let’s begin by talking about the civil war era

Civil War-Era Political Parties of the North Vs. the South | Synonym

The years before the American Civil War were some of the most divisive in American history. Many northerners favored the abolition of slavery. Others wanted to accommodate the southern states. Southerners favored maintaining slavery and giving power to state governments over the federal government.

classroom.synonym.com

Democratic Party
The Democratic Party was formed by Thomas Jefferson and James Madison in 1792 and held considerable power in the years leading up to the Civil War. The Democratic Party became divided in the 1850s over the issue of slavery, with some factions in the north supporting abolitionist causes, some northern factions supporting accommodation of the South and Southern Democrats supporting the continuation and expansion of slavery. During the elections of 1860, Southern and Northern Democrats nominated separate candidates for president. After the Civil War broke out, former Southern Democrats held considerable clout in the Confederate Congress. Northern Democrats lost much of their political power in the North during the Civil War.

Republican Party
The Republican Party was founded in the 1850s by northerners who wanted to abolish slavery. The demise of the Whig Party and the split in the Democratic Party in the years leading up to the 1860 elections gave the Republicans an opportunity to advance. Republican candidate Abraham Lincoln won the U.S. Presidential election in 1860 and Republicans gained control of Congress, leading to the secession of eleven Southern states. The Republican Party had very little support in the South before the war and virtually none after war broke out. In 1864, the Republican Party joined with Democrats who favored the war effort to form the National Union Party. Other Republicans, who were in favor of pressing the war more forcefully, left the Republican Party to form the Radical Democracy Party (which was an abolitionist and anti Confederate Party : Radical Democracy Party (United States) - Wikipedia . The National Union Party won the 1864 presidential election.

The truth about Republicans and civil rights even then was not as clear cut as some would like us to believe:

How Republicans and Democrats switched on civil rights

Ted Cruz’ Dixiecrat ramblings are half-truths

medium.com

Republicans and Democrats after the Civil War
It’s true that many of the first Ku Klux Klan members were Democrats. It’s also true that the early Democratic Party opposed civil rights. But there’s more to it.

The Civil War-era GOP wasn’t that into civil rights. They were more interested in punishing the South for seceding and monopolizing the new black vote.

In any event, by the 1890s, Republicans had begun to distance themselves from civil rights.

As for the democrats

Democrats v Republicans on Jim Crow

Segregation and Jim Crow lasted for 100 years after the end of the Civil War.
During this time, African Americans were largely disenfranchised. There was no African-American voting bloc. Neither party pursued civil rights policies — it wasn’t worth their while.

Democrats dominated Southern politics throughout the Jim Crow Era. It’s fair to say that Democratic governors and legislatures are responsible for creating and upholding white supremacist policies.
Southern Democrats were truly awful.

Then things began to change

President Truman Integrates the Troops: 1948
Fast forward about sixty shitty years. Black people are still living in segregation under Jim Crow. Nonetheless, African Americans agree to serve in World War II. At war’s end, President Harry Truman, a Democrat, used an Executive Order to integrate the troops. (That order was not executed until 1963, however because: racism.)

The Party of Kennedy v the Party of Nixon in the Civil Rights Era


Two things started happening at the same time:
Racist Democrats were getting antsy
Neither party could afford to ignore civil rights anymore
In 1960 Kennedy defeated Nixon. At the time of his election, the both parties unevenly supported civil rights. But President Kennedy decided to move forward.
After Kennedy’s assassination in 1963, Johnson continued Kennedy’s civil rights focus.

As you can imagine, that did not sit particularly well with most Southern Democrats. This is when Strom Thurmond flew the coop for good.

In fact, a greater percentage of Congressional Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 than did Democrats. Support for the Act followed geographic, not party, lines. ( More on that later)

Get that? Support for civil rights was along geographic, not party lines. Now we get to the meat of the matter:

Soon after, the Republicans came up with their Southern Strategy — a plan to woo white Southern voters to the party for the 1968 election.

The Kennedy and Johnson administrations had advanced civil rights, largely through national legislation and direct executive actions. So, the Southern Strategy was the opposite — states’ rights and no integration.

As in the Civil War, the concepts of “states’ rights” and “tradition,” were codes for “maintaining white supremacy.”

The divide between the north and the south vs the Democrats and the Republicans can be easily illustrated:

Were Republicans really the party of civil rights in the 1960s? | Harry J Enten

Harry J Enten: Once you control for region, it turns out that Democrats were actually more likely to support the 1964 Civil Rights Act

www.theguardian.com

As we saw earlier more Republicans than Democrats voted for the Civil Rights Act, but that is not the whole story

1964 Civil Rights Act Senate Version Ayes
////////////////////// Democrats Republicans
House 153 of 244 (63%) 136 of 171 (80%)
Senate 46 of 67 (69%) 27 of 33 (82%)


You don't need to know too much history to understand that the South from the civil war to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 tended to be opposed to minority rights. This factor was separate from party identification or ideology. We can easily control for this variable by breaking up the voting by those states that were part of the confederacy and those that were not.

1964 Civil Rights Act Senate Version Ayes

//////////// Union Confederacy
House 281 of 303 (90%) 8 of 102 (8%)
Senate 72 of 78 (92%) 1 of 22 (5%)




But what happens when we control for both party affiliation and region? As Sean Trende noted earlier this year, "sometimes relationships become apparent only after you control for other factors".

1964 Civil Rights Act Senate Version Ayes
///////////// Dems/Union GOP Union Dems Confederacy GOP Confederacy
House 144 of 152 (95%) 137 of 161 (85%) 8 of 91( 9%) 0 of 11 (0%)
Senate 45 of 46 (98%) 27 of 32 (84%) 1 of 21 (5%) 0 of 1 (0%)

 

[Mr Natural]

Didn't Limbaugh buy the farm some time ago?

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Well, it is probobly just more of his hyperbolic logorrhea but its an interesting prospect. I say let them go! The Blue States would be better off. Red states contribute less in Federal tax revenues while getting more aid. They elect bigots and Fascists to state and national office. They want to deny people the right to vote and want to stifle the free press. They want to deprive people of access to health care including reproductive care ., and there is so much more.

As I have said before, perhaps we should have not have fought the Civil War. If we had just let the south go , we would have been better off in the long run. Sure the scourge of slavery would have lingered longer but that system would crumbled in time as it has elsewhere. It can also be said that slavery never really ended but rather, it morphed into and system of indentured servitude in the form of prison labor camps comprised mostly of black men. So what dis the Civil War really accomplish. Not much other that preserving the union consisting of states with vastly different view and values and producing an increasingly divided nation.

Rush Limbaugh Claims Conservative States Are ‘Trending Toward Secession’ | Michael Stone (patheos.com)

I actually think that we’re trending toward secession. I see more and more people asking what in the world do we have in common with the people who live in, say, New York? What is there that makes us believe that there is enough of us there to even have a chance at winning New York? Especially if you’re talking about votes.

I agree.

I'm tired of supporting their deadbeat asses. While they destroy democracy, shred our constitution and take freedom from those who don't agree with them.

They are a drain on our resources and hate the rest of the nation.

I say let them go. First I want them to pay for all the federal infrastructure in their states that belongs to the United States. If they want to keep that infrastructure then have to pay for it.

I say let them support themselves and live in their authoritarian state they want so badly.

Once the leave, they can't come back. They can't come to us with their hands out wanting our tax dollars anymore.

I understand your anger and your frustration but no. They are Americans. Much like family...you can be angry at them but you don't cut em loose.

Yes, OK, but if they want to go I would not stand in their way.

 

[Dana7360]

Well, it is probobly just more of his hyperbolic logorrhea but its an interesting prospect. I say let them go! The Blue States would be better off. Red states contribute less in Federal tax revenues while getting more aid. They elect bigots and Fascists to state and national office. They want to deny people the right to vote and want to stifle the free press. They want to deprive people of access to health care including reproductive care ., and there is so much more.

As I have said before, perhaps we should have not have fought the Civil War. If we had just let the south go , we would have been better off in the long run. Sure the scourge of slavery would have lingered longer but that system would crumbled in time as it has elsewhere. It can also be said that slavery never really ended but rather, it morphed into and system of indentured servitude in the form of prison labor camps comprised mostly of black men. So what dis the Civil War really accomplish. Not much other that preserving the union consisting of states with vastly different view and values and producing an increasingly divided nation.

Rush Limbaugh Claims Conservative States Are ‘Trending Toward Secession’ | Michael Stone (patheos.com)

I actually think that we’re trending toward secession. I see more and more people asking what in the world do we have in common with the people who live in, say, New York? What is there that makes us believe that there is enough of us there to even have a chance at winning New York? Especially if you’re talking about votes.

I agree.

I'm tired of supporting their deadbeat asses. While they destroy democracy, shred our constitution and take freedom from those who don't agree with them.

They are a drain on our resources and hate the rest of the nation.

I say let them go. First I want them to pay for all the federal infrastructure in their states that belongs to the United States. If they want to keep that infrastructure then have to pay for it.

I say let them support themselves and live in their authoritarian state they want so badly.

Once the leave, they can't come back. They can't come to us with their hands out wanting our tax dollars anymore.

I understand your anger and your frustration but no. They are Americans. Much like family...you can be angry at them but you don't cut em loose.

I think it's more disgust and frustration. I learned it's a waste of time being angry with those people.

I have no problem letting them go. If they want to leave the union, go for it. No American life is worth forcing them to stay.

They want to live in an authoritarian garbage dump, let them.

That's what they're trying to turn the whole nation into. They already have turned the red states into garbage dumps. Or most of them. Let them live as they want to live.

Most of all, let the rest of us live in the real United States of America.

Maybe they will finally be happy and leave the rest of us alone.

If preserving freedom, democracy and what America is really about means letting those garbage dump states leave the union, I am all for it.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Well, it is probobly just more of his hyperbolic logorrhea but its an interesting prospect. I say let them go! The Blue States would be better off. Red states contribute less in Federal tax revenues while getting more aid. They elect bigots and Fascists to state and national office. They want to deny people the right to vote and want to stifle the free press. They want to deprive people of access to health care including reproductive care ., and there is so much more.

As I have said before, perhaps we should have not have fought the Civil War. If we had just let the south go , we would have been better off in the long run. Sure the scourge of slavery would have lingered longer but that system would crumbled in time as it has elsewhere. It can also be said that slavery never really ended but rather, it morphed into and system of indentured servitude in the form of prison labor camps comprised mostly of black men. So what dis the Civil War really accomplish. Not much other that preserving the union consisting of states with vastly different view and values and producing an increasingly divided nation.

Rush Limbaugh Claims Conservative States Are ‘Trending Toward Secession’ | Michael Stone (patheos.com)

I actually think that we’re trending toward secession. I see more and more people asking what in the world do we have in common with the people who live in, say, New York? What is there that makes us believe that there is enough of us there to even have a chance at winning New York? Especially if you’re talking about votes.

I agree.

I'm tired of supporting their deadbeat asses. While they destroy democracy, shred our constitution and take freedom from those who don't agree with them.

They are a drain on our resources and hate the rest of the nation.

I say let them go. First I want them to pay for all the federal infrastructure in their states that belongs to the United States. If they want to keep that infrastructure then have to pay for it.

I say let them support themselves and live in their authoritarian state they want so badly.

Once the leave, they can't come back. They can't come to us with their hands out wanting our tax dollars anymore.

"I'm tired of supporting their deadbeat asses. While they destroy democracy, shred our constitution and take freedom from those who don't agree with them."

And that's exactly how we feel about you and your side.