Romney's Great Paying Jobs

[JoeB131]

HMMMMM Who to trust?

Staples Salary


Start the jeapordy clock.

How many executives do you think Staples actually employes.

Most of the 90,000 employees fall into the ranges I listed...

I did a quick search, Didnt look hard.

due to my states minimum wage I already knew the info was bogus as it applies here.

Where does it apply?

Again, do you really think they are employing that many high wage employees?

I mean, I shop at Staples now that Bain doesn't own it anymore. (By the way, the company experienced far more growth after they got Bain out of their lives). I didn't see high paid executives. I saw young kids working basic retail jobs. Which is fine, we should all start out there to learn a work ethic before we graduate up to the good paying jobs that require experience and skill.

But those are the kind of Jobs Bain destroyed on a regular basis.

 

[Katzndogz]

Sadly, she does.

I'm quite capable - and have already - responded for myself. Please do not speak for me. I believe - and have evidence to support - my beliefs. Just as you believe whatever bullshit you fantasize about.

Moron.

Again, your words speak for yourself... and indicate why the GOP will lose.

Because, honestly, no one wants a country run by heartless people.

Better to be run by phony sympathy for beggars and losers.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Your whole post is inaccurate. But you're too fucking moronic to know that.

Wow... so you really can't refute the point, can you?

You do understand that when you take away good paying jobs and replace them with crappy retail/service jobs, you don't have a middle class anymore, right?

I mean, this concept occurs to you.

Or are you spending nights fretting that Romney's fourth mansion isn't big enough when all his inbred relatives come to visit?

He took businesses that were going to fail and made some work. Others did not thought he majority of them did just fine. If you want to know why good paying manufacturing jobs went, that has nothing to do with Mitt. That has everything to do with the way we conduct trade in this country and treat business. Attempting to bastardize the required work that Mitt did to save a ton of businesses and make them more profitable (I know, profit is sooooo evil) how about you attribute the problem where it actually lies.
Can you explain to me what he did wrong in the first place anyway?

Is firing someone wrong? Is profit wrong? Is maximizing your profit as a businessman wrong?

Do you even understand how freedom and markets work?

The problem is that he made all decisions based on what's in it for him going into the next quarterly report.

How many companies were shut down or moved overseas to MAXIMIZE short-term profits, when saving the companies and the middle class jobs that came with them could have been accomplished by renewed management and and eye for working on LONG-TERM results?

The profitability and power of venture capital comes with responsibility. Like most investors with enough resources to effect real change, Romney failed his country by focusing on the next quarter for HIS wallet and pissing away the future entrusted to them.

He could have made a good living by saving American Companies in trouble but chose instead to maximize short term personal profits.

Romney and his ilk are ground zero for America's current economic decline.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Oh, I understand what it does perfectly well...

I just realize it's a bad thing for the country. I'm not sure why you think it's a good thing.

You do realize that thinking it's a 'bad thing for the country' is not a fact - it's an opinion. One that you are welcome to hold - no matter how detached it is from reality. Which is why I cannot engage with you... you are not rational.

This country became great because of its manufacturing ability and its middle class. It saved the world, put men on the moon, and built the "shining city on the hill", as Ronald Reagan used to say.

Romney wants to shutter they city and sell off the assets.

That you consider this Rational is kind of scary.

It's VERY rational... Ass-U-Me-ing that the goal is maximizing personal profits for next quarter and letting someone else look for the more difficult profits to manage over the next 20 years.

Our short term thinking has produced long term results. It always does.

 

[JoeB131]

I'm quite capable - and have already - responded for myself. Please do not speak for me. I believe - and have evidence to support - my beliefs. Just as you believe whatever bullshit you fantasize about.

Moron.

Again, your words speak for yourself... and indicate why the GOP will lose.

Because, honestly, no one wants a country run by heartless people.

Better to be run by phony sympathy for beggars and losers.

So people who work hard all their lives are "losers" because they just happen to be in the way of the "winners"?

Do you people even hear yourselves some time.

You know you and CG whine about the Nanny State and such, but you are the ones making more people dependent on it.

 

[California Girl]

Again, your words speak for yourself... and indicate why the GOP will lose.

Because, honestly, no one wants a country run by heartless people.

Better to be run by phony sympathy for beggars and losers.

So people who work hard all their lives are "losers" because they just happen to be in the way of the "winners"?

Do you people even hear yourselves some time.

You know you and CG whine about the Nanny State and such, but you are the ones making more people dependent on it.

Please explain how I am personally making people dependent upon the US Government.

And, for the record, you will not be able to find one post by more referring to hard working people as 'losers'. Not one. You will find a few from me slamming other posters for referring to minimum wage earners as 'losers'. In fact, I have slammed the left several times for criticizing people in minimum wage jobs. I have a lot of respect for anyone who works - no matter what their job.

You remain a fucking idiot.

 

[AVG-JOE]

I refuse to settle for a world and country where profit is more important than people

Profit is THE reason to get out of bed in the morning.

What we need is to encourage long-term profit thinking and discourage short-term profit thinking.

After corruption, the American Achilles Heel is her encouragement of short term thinking.

 

[AVG-JOE]

This country became great not because of its 'manufacturing' but because of its work ethic. Americans grafted, pure and simple. We dared to dream, and we believed that if we could dream it, we could do it. We didn't talk about 'class' because we didn't see 'class', we saw character and courage. All the things that made America great are things that we are told are 'wrong' now. We believed we were exceptional - and because we believed it - we were. Now, exceptional is a dirty word.... and that is decade after decade of liberal pandering and nannying.

And now we have a distribution of wealth curve that is skewed so far to the right that our economy can almost be described as 'feudal'.

Note that simple ca$h redistribution is not the answer... the answer lay in policies of fair and simple taxation, a budget that is balanced by law and transparency in all things politics. The wealth distribution curve is simply a gauge to let us know that the current status quo is 'Royally' fucking us - pun very much intended.

 

[California Girl]

This country became great not because of its 'manufacturing' but because of its work ethic. Americans grafted, pure and simple. We dared to dream, and we believed that if we could dream it, we could do it. We didn't talk about 'class' because we didn't see 'class', we saw character and courage. All the things that made America great are things that we are told are 'wrong' now. We believed we were exceptional - and because we believed it - we were. Now, exceptional is a dirty word.... and that is decade after decade of liberal pandering and nannying.

And now we have a distribution of wealth curve that is skewed so far to the right that our economy can almost be described as 'feudal'.

Note that simple ca$h redistribution is not the answer... the answer lay in policies of fair and simple taxation, a budget that is balanced by law and transparency in all things politics. The wealth distribution curve is simply a gauge to let us know that the current status quo is 'Royally' fucking us - pun very much intended.

"Skewed to the right"?

 

[AVG-JOE]

The argument for the Romney Supporters is that it's perfectly okay that Romney destroyed thousands of good paying union jobs with benefits because, hey, Staples was one of his investments. And Staples employs 90,000 people today.


Right.


Okay.

What does Staples Pay?

PayScale - Staples, Inc. Employer Wages, Hourly Wage Rate

Computer Repair Technician - $7.66-12.85

Retail Sales Associate - $7.39- $11.15

Copy Center Specialist - $7.50- $12.82

Sales Asscoiate - $7.37 - $9.89

Seriously? This is the argument he's going to make. It's okay I eliminated good paying jobs at GS Steel or AmPad because I created these wonderful oppurtunities at Staples with crappy wages and no benefits.

(I'm Sure California Ghoul will say I'm taking this photo "out of Context", too.)

HMMMMM Who to trust?

Staples Salary


Start the jeapordy clock.

The average does seem to go up substantially when you factor in the VP and Exec jobs listed at the corporate HQ - now all we need is an 'average' that considers the 3 decent paying executive jobs and the 30,000 sales clerks who report to them.

 

[Full-Auto]

How many executives do you think Staples actually employes.

Most of the 90,000 employees fall into the ranges I listed...

I did a quick search, Didnt look hard.

due to my states minimum wage I already knew the info was bogus as it applies here.

Where does it apply?

Again, do you really think they are employing that many high wage employees?

I mean, I shop at Staples now that Bain doesn't own it anymore. (By the way, the company experienced far more growth after they got Bain out of their lives). I didn't see high paid executives. I saw young kids working basic retail jobs. Which is fine, we should all start out there to learn a work ethic before we graduate up to the good paying jobs that require experience and skill.

But those are the kind of Jobs Bain destroyed on a regular basis.

Thats just a defection. My state min wage already disproved your chart. WA. ST.

Now rather then get pissy, which I am willing to do. Just answer where your figures apply. OK

 

[JoeB131]

Please explain how I am personally making people dependent upon the US Government.

.

When you replace the good union factory job with the crappy minimum wage job at Staples, you make that person eligable for Food Stamps, for MediCaid, for WIC, for Housing assistance and a bunch of other benefits if they are supporting a family on that.

In short, you've made government their best friend in the world.

Personally, I'd like to have none of these things because we all have good jobs making decent wages and earning our own way... but that's not the vulture capitalist way. Every recession is an oppurtunity to knock down wages a little more.

 

[JoeB131]

Thats just a defection. My state min wage already disproved your chart. WA. ST.

Now rather then get pissy, which I am willing to do. Just answer where your figures apply. OK

Last time I checked there were Staples outside Washington State. In fact, there's one about a mile down the road from me.

 

[AVG-JOE]

AmPad and GS Steel were failing companies. AmPad mostly because they didn't grasp the fact that the typewriter's day had come and gone. Do democrats REALLY believe that Romney took control of successful companies and closed them for the sole reason of putting people out of work? Is that a tenet of their belief system. It would tell us a great deal about how crazy they really are.

Of course not. He took control of vulnerable companies, whose executives focused on the short term enough to make them vulnerable.

Given an opportunity to WORK to turn these companies around and save the assets for America's future, Romney & Co instead chose the path of least resistance and maximum short term personal profits.

It's not rocket science - it's a simple choice. What Romney & Bain did was perfectly legal, it just had absolutely no consideration for others, when a long-term choice that considered others COULD have been made, but would have had less profit.

Is there ANYthing wrong with making a little less profits in the short term, when doing so provides a consideration to your fellow Americans, and you still end up making a good living as a capitalist in the long term?

If you think a self-serving president is what this country needs, there's a choice.

 

[AVG-JOE]

The argument for the Romney Supporters is that it's perfectly okay that Romney destroyed thousands of good paying union jobs with benefits because, hey, Staples was one of his investments. And Staples employs 90,000 people today.


Right.


Okay.

What does Staples Pay?

PayScale - Staples, Inc. Employer Wages, Hourly Wage Rate

Computer Repair Technician - $7.66-12.85

Retail Sales Associate - $7.39- $11.15

Copy Center Specialist - $7.50- $12.82

Sales Asscoiate - $7.37 - $9.89

Seriously? This is the argument he's going to make. It's okay I eliminated good paying jobs at GS Steel or AmPad because I created these wonderful oppurtunities at Staples with crappy wages and no benefits.

(I'm Sure California Ghoul will say I'm taking this photo "out of Context", too.)

HMMMMM Who to trust?

Staples Salary


Start the jeapordy clock.

It's a tricky one, isn't it?

Not if one clicks on the link and reads...

 

[Skull Pilot]

The argument for the Romney Supporters is that it's perfectly okay that Romney destroyed thousands of good paying union jobs with benefits because, hey, Staples was one of his investments. And Staples employs 90,000 people today.


Right.


Okay.

What does Staples Pay?

PayScale - Staples, Inc. Employer Wages, Hourly Wage Rate

Computer Repair Technician - $7.66-12.85

Retail Sales Associate - $7.39- $11.15

Copy Center Specialist - $7.50- $12.82

Sales Asscoiate - $7.37 - $9.89

Seriously? This is the argument he's going to make. It's okay I eliminated good paying jobs at GS Steel or AmPad because I created these wonderful oppurtunities at Staples with crappy wages and no benefits.

(I'm Sure California Ghoul will say I'm taking this photo "out of Context", too.)

OK Brainiac

How much more do you want to pay for stuff you buy at Staples?

10%, 20%, 50% more?

If you and every other staples customer is still willing to shop there and pay much higher prices so as to give the employees raises to what you think they should be then fine.

But in the real world that doesn't happen does it?

Or better yet when a Staples employee helps you, hand him 20 bucks and tell them that you think they don't get paid enough.

 

[Full-Auto]

Thats just a defection. My state min wage already disproved your chart. WA. ST.

Now rather then get pissy, which I am willing to do. Just answer where your figures apply. OK

Last time I checked there were Staples outside Washington State. In fact, there's one about a mile down the road from me.

so misinformation was the intent?

Or you just dont know where the fuck those figures apply?

 

[California Girl]

HMMMMM Who to trust?

Staples Salary


Start the jeapordy clock.

It's a tricky one, isn't it?

Not if one clicks on the link and reads...

Yep.

 

[Katzndogz]

obama's planned restructuring of governmental agencies will result in the loss of 2,000 good paying government jobs with great benefits.

 

[JoeB131]

OK Brainiac

How much more do you want to pay for stuff you buy at Staples?

10%, 20%, 50% more?

If you and every other staples customer is still willing to shop there and pay much higher prices so as to give the employees raises to what you think they should be then fine.

But in the real world that doesn't happen does it?

Or better yet when a Staples employee helps you, hand him 20 bucks and tell them that you think they don't get paid enough.

The question isn't how much the labor costs, it's a question of the division of the spoils, really.

If 30% of the cost of pencil is markup, I'd rather have it go to the guy who helped me find it than the investor who just collected the profit.

More to the point, which you aren't getting, is that if we become a country of just the poor and rich, with no middle class, there won't be a safe place for any of us, rich or poor to hide.