Romney Just Cut His Own Throat

[California Girl]

Well, I'm glad you have no interest. The last time someone had this much "lack of interest", I had to get a restraining order.

but anyway... to the point. THere are a lot of things you can do other than forcing old people to keep working past their prime.

1) Make Rich Douchebags pay their fair share. - We are in this mess because surpluses in Social Security were used to cover tax cuts for rich people. There is actually plenty of money in the Social Security Trust fund. But it's all in the form of Government bonds that now have to be redeemed.

2) Means Test social security. If you have a mansion in Florida and a house in the north and you are flying back and forth every winter, like a few people in my town did, you probably don't need that check from Social Security- yes, even if you've been paying into it your whole life. The problem with SS is that instead of calling it what it was- a welfare program for the elderly - we pretend that it's a "retirement program", and give payments to people who really don't need them.

I think what you struggle with is humanity and decency. I really have to wonder what someone did to you that makes you so heartless.

Let's review, shall we? I made a post, you responded, I replied... and you think you need a restraining order? Man, you need more than a restraining order, you should check yourself into the nearest mental health facility.... quickly.... because you have lost touch with reality.

All across this forum, I have let your bullshit responses to me go unanswered... you're like a whining 2 year old tugging at my jeans, trying to get my attention.

I'd call you a half wit, but I'm not convinced you've reached the level of half wit yet.

ooookay, so following me around and negging me, that's not obsessive at all, right?

Yup, you've totally convinced me you don't have a problem. (You are pretty much the only person who negs me. A lot of people- left and right, like what I have to say.)

Frankly, you don't answer me at all. You really think name-calling is a response, but honestly, you rarely make good counter arguments. Again, both folks on the left and right (and I do disagree with both sides, I have no use for people who substitute idealogy for problem solving) do make defenses of their positions.

Your paranoia is showing.

I neg idiocy. Ask around. You ain't special.

 

[driveby]

Well, I'm glad you have no interest. The last time someone had this much "lack of interest", I had to get a restraining order.

but anyway... to the point. THere are a lot of things you can do other than forcing old people to keep working past their prime.

1) Make Rich Douchebags pay their fair share. - We are in this mess because surpluses in Social Security were used to cover tax cuts for rich people. There is actually plenty of money in the Social Security Trust fund. But it's all in the form of Government bonds that now have to be redeemed.

2) Means Test social security. If you have a mansion in Florida and a house in the north and you are flying back and forth every winter, like a few people in my town did, you probably don't need that check from Social Security- yes, even if you've been paying into it your whole life. The problem with SS is that instead of calling it what it was- a welfare program for the elderly - we pretend that it's a "retirement program", and give payments to people who really don't need them.

I think what you struggle with is humanity and decency. I really have to wonder what someone did to you that makes you so heartless.

Restraining orders you had to get against old boyfriends are irrelevant, but anyway....

1) Rich people already pay most of the taxes in this country, how about the millions of people that pay NO income taxes pony up a few dollars, in the interest of fairness.

2) Now the good little marxist wants wealth redistribution to include SS as well.

Wow. I mean, you really think calling people gay is a huge insult? Really? You know, they've done studies that show that most homophobes are likely to be latent gays than non-homophobic people.

The rich pay taxes that are less than the amount of the wealth that they control, and that's a large part of the problem. Please don't tell me that Mittens paying 13% tax while working folks pay 25% tax is fair or even sensible.

Means testing isn't about "Marxism". It's about what the program was for. It never should have been about a nice bonus check for people who already are rich. It was meant to keep old people from starving to death when they couldn't work anymore. That's the purpose. But because we Americans don't really like that sort of thing, we had to call it a "retirement program", when in fact, it was nothing of the sort. Rich or poor, you collect more than you paid into it if you live past 72. That might be sensible for a retiree of sensible means, but if you have a mansion, it really doesnt' make sense.

YOu see, I think that Romney is right on the overall principle, that the retirement age might need to go up. But you have to change a lot of other things before you get there.

One could think you're not a disingenuous faggot if you didn't tow the moonbat line of tax rates, knowing damn well Romney's income tax rate is higher than any "working folks" tax rate. Also funny how moonbats like you are all for means testing on SS (which people pay into) but not for it on things such as welfare. Someone who pays into a program for the better part of their life, but doesn't get any of it back is "fair"?........

 

[JoeB131]

Yeah, Mr. "I like to be able to fire people" Obviously has no connection to the real world, or he wouldn't make statements like this.

You are either really stupid or have some other reason for not using Romney's entire quote. Which is surprising because Romney only said what liberals say. If one of those big corporations (like banks) don't treat you right, FIRE THEM.

Either people will have to work longer, OR younger workers will have to kick in a chunk more to support able bodied older people longer. The liberal way is to just figure out a way to lower the life expectancy and get people to die younger.

I use that quote because it shows us EXACTLY who Willard Mitt Romney is.

A rich bully who likes to use his wealth to push people around. Which is pretty much what he's been doing this whole campaign. Not really selling himself, but splashing shit on other people.

Now, I don't disagree, we will have to seriously reform Social Security, including raising the retirement age. But we are also going to have to fix a lot of other aspects of how we do things before we ask these folks who have worked hard all their lives in thankless jobs to work a little harder and a little longer.

I've been working since I was 16, and I'll be 50 in May. So I've already spent 2/3rds of my life working. Now, Sky Pixie Willing, I might live to 67 and will have worked 51 years.

Tell me I might have to work until 69 to make the system more viable, yeah, I'd have no problem with that. But the last person I want to hear it from is a guy like ROmney who got very rich destroying middle class jobs and shipping them off to China.

 

[JoeB131]

Your paranoia is showing.

I neg idiocy. Ask around. You ain't special.

Oh, I'm sure you neg a lot of people you lose arguments with.

Because I see you lose a lot of arguments here...

When you've lost an argument. When you end a discussion by calling the othe person an idiot when you can't counter their points.

 

[driveby]

Well, I'm glad you have no interest. The last time someone had this much "lack of interest", I had to get a restraining order.

but anyway... to the point. THere are a lot of things you can do other than forcing old people to keep working past their prime.

1) Make Rich Douchebags pay their fair share. - We are in this mess because surpluses in Social Security were used to cover tax cuts for rich people. There is actually plenty of money in the Social Security Trust fund. But it's all in the form of Government bonds that now have to be redeemed.

2) Means Test social security. If you have a mansion in Florida and a house in the north and you are flying back and forth every winter, like a few people in my town did, you probably don't need that check from Social Security- yes, even if you've been paying into it your whole life. The problem with SS is that instead of calling it what it was- a welfare program for the elderly - we pretend that it's a "retirement program", and give payments to people who really don't need them.

I think what you struggle with is humanity and decency. I really have to wonder what someone did to you that makes you so heartless.

Let's review, shall we? I made a post, you responded, I replied... and you think you need a restraining order? Man, you need more than a restraining order, you should check yourself into the nearest mental health facility.... quickly.... because you have lost touch with reality.

All across this forum, I have let your bullshit responses to me go unanswered... you're like a whining 2 year old tugging at my jeans, trying to get my attention.

I'd call you a half wit, but I'm not convinced you've reached the level of half wit yet.

ooookay, so following me around and negging me, that's not obsessive at all, right?

Yup, you've totally convinced me you don't have a problem. (You are pretty much the only person who negs me. A lot of people- left and right, like what I have to say.)

Frankly, you don't answer me at all. You really think name-calling is a response, but honestly, you rarely make good counter arguments. Again, both folks on the left and right (and I do disagree with both sides, I have no use for people who substitute idealogy for problem solving) do make defenses of their positions.

You might see more negs for whining, it is widely frowned upon in this establishment.........

 

[JoeB131]

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One could think you're not a disingenuous faggot if you didn't tow the moonbat line of tax rates, knowing damn well Romney's income tax rate is higher than any "working folks" tax rate. Also funny how moonbats like you are all for means testing on SS (which people pay into) but not for it on things such as welfare. Someone who pays into a program for the better part of their life, but doesn't get any of it back is "fair"?........

I'm all for means testing welfare. I'm also for having a work requirement on it and making people who get it take drug tests. Please don't mistake me for some liberal who believes in cradle to grave benefits.

Ironically, if you paid any attention, by biggest problem with the GOP is by undermining the middle class to make the rich richer, they've destroyed the very firewall against the socialism they are so afraid of.

I'd rather have paychecks than foodstamps. But Mitt ROmney has made war on paychecks his whole life. Just ask the AmPad employees.

To the point on social security. If you only got back what you pay into it, you might have an argument.

That isn't the case, though. It never was. This is why Rick Perry called Social Security a "Ponzi Scheme" and he was right. And Mitt Romney tore into him for saying it. Now Mittens is trying to make sure the payouts are smaller for the suckers who came into the game late.

 

[candycorn]

Says he will raise retirement age on social security and give people the option to participate in Medicare or not. The nutty bastard doesn't know that as soon as they hear about it 40,000,000 Americans will vote against him, not for him.

I can see why he shies away from specifics. At this rate he'll be an expert in performing the Tracheotomy

 

[Article 15]

Yep, working is for stiffs, the government should take care of all of us, from the cradle to the grave.....

If the government allows you to make it to the cradle of course......

Who is saying that?

 

[Valerie]

Says he will raise retirement age on social security and give people the option to participate in Medicare or not. The nutty bastard doesn't know that as soon as they hear about it 40,000,000 Americans will vote against him, not for him.

I can see why he shies away from specifics. At this rate he'll be an expert in performing the Tracheotomy

Mitt does not shy away from specifics...This campaign has a looong way to go.

Believe In America: Mitt Romney's Plan for Jobs and Economic Growth | Mitt Romney for President

 

[JoeB131]

Yep, working is for stiffs, the government should take care of all of us, from the cradle to the grave.....

If the government allows you to make it to the cradle of course......

Who is saying that?

The voices in his head, obviously.

He thinks the governmetn should pay rich people and working folks should work longer, even if no one actualy wants to hire them.

 

[Article 15]

knowing damn well Romney's income tax rate is higher than any "working folks" tax rate.

I'm a Joe nobody in a corporate America and I pay a higher tax rate than Romney.

 

[initforme]

Well if people are going to have to work longer then lets find a way to ENSURE that employers cannot get rid of them simply to replace them for someone younger who will receive a lower starting pay. If we want people to work longer then thats fine, just pay them their top salaries longer. Dont get rid of them and then have them work for a lousy wage. That CANNOT and is proven NOT to work either.

 

[Conservative]

Romney Just Cut His Own Throat...


what ever happened to the leftie whining about violent rhetoric? Looks likes it's perfectly fine when one of your own uses it, huh. Fucktards.

 

[mudwhistle]

Romney is the biggest two face of any politician I've ever witnessed, and speaking on politicians that's pretty fucking bad.

This guy spent the week wailing on the Church issue when - would ya look at that. It was mandated in his own State as Governor. Not surprising with him.

So the guy that hates two-faced politicians supports Obama.

That makes sense.

I dont support Obama, I come here to point it out when attacks are baseless because I cant stand mindless, factless ass holes, you're on the top of the list. You jumped right about on the 200mil Egypt trip, dumbass. You cant be more deluded than ypou are.

I like to point out hypocrisy. You like to throw out insults when you can't back your BS with facts.

 

[hortysir]

Hey, not my fault he slipped up and showed us who he really is.

Which is his biggest problem. The more people get to know Romney, the less they like him.

Hey, I think Romney is very good at making the economy work for rich douchebags.

It's the rest of us I worry about.

Is this sorta like Obama's "spread the wealth" moment that showed us what he was all about?

'Coz it didn't stop you Lemmings from voting for the jackass!

 

[JoeB131]

Hey, not my fault he slipped up and showed us who he really is.

Which is his biggest problem. The more people get to know Romney, the less they like him.

Hey, I think Romney is very good at making the economy work for rich douchebags.

It's the rest of us I worry about.

Is this sorta like Obama's "spread the wealth" moment that showed us what he was all about?

'Coz it didn't stop you Lemmings from voting for the jackass!

Didn't vote for him. Sorry.

But if you think people who've just been beaten up by the Greed of Wall Street are going to vote for a guy who was one of the worst offenders, you are deluded.

This is why Santorum would be a stronger candidate. He gets it. He's from a blue collar background, he's had to worry about paychecks and house payments.

 

[hortysir]

Hey, not my fault he slipped up and showed us who he really is.

Which is his biggest problem. The more people get to know Romney, the less they like him.

Hey, I think Romney is very good at making the economy work for rich douchebags.

It's the rest of us I worry about.

Is this sorta like Obama's "spread the wealth" moment that showed us what he was all about?

'Coz it didn't stop you Lemmings from voting for the jackass!

Didn't vote for him. Sorry.

But if you think people who've just been beaten up by the Greed of Wall Street are going to vote for a guy who was one of the worst offenders, you are deluded.

This is why Santorum would be a stronger candidate. He gets it. He's from a blue collar background, he's had to worry about paychecks and house payments.

Totally agree

He started rocking it at the debates after the field narrowed some and he could be heard above the static.

Newt is strong but I just can't picture him on the world stage. Too bull-headed.

I don't feel Romney is a strong enough turn away from Obama's policies.

Here's to hoping Santorum keeps his momentum

 

[Article 15]

A Santorum headlined ticket could cost the GOP the House

 

[sealybobo]

Is this sorta like Obama's "spread the wealth" moment that showed us what he was all about?

'Coz it didn't stop you Lemmings from voting for the jackass!

Didn't vote for him. Sorry.

But if you think people who've just been beaten up by the Greed of Wall Street are going to vote for a guy who was one of the worst offenders, you are deluded.

This is why Santorum would be a stronger candidate. He gets it. He's from a blue collar background, he's had to worry about paychecks and house payments.

Totally agree

He started rocking it at the debates after the field narrowed some and he could be heard above the static.

Newt is strong but I just can't picture him on the world stage. Too bull-headed.

I don't feel Romney is a strong enough turn away from Obama's policies.

Here's to hoping Santorum keeps his momentum

Either way you lose to Obama and we take back the House. I only worry about the Senate because we have 10 up for re election and you only have 2.

 

[DaGoose]

The guy offered not one detail and yet here you are ready to jump aboard with both feet.

You don't even know the details of his "solution" and you call it "viable"???

We have no idea what he has in mind on the age(s) he wants to raise it to.

He also offred no details on his Medicare plans, either.

There is only one question that needs to be asked. Is the retirement age sustainable in an increasingly aging population? The answer - to anyone with a calculator and a brain - is no.

Details, I agree, need to be discussed and considered - preferably by rational, intelligent people on both sides.... but hyperbolic bullshit from the whining left is not 'rational' or 'intelligent'.

He did not 'cut his own throat', he spoke the truth. The retirement age is not sustainable. Other countries - and we know how fond the left are of following other countries - know that.... what's taking the left so long to catch up?

Every pair of clownshoes like Dagoof thinks it's sustainable, just raise taxes on the rich....

Please show me one post of mine where I said that it is sustainable. You can either show me or STFU.

And in your sig line you have the nerve to refer to others as liars. You're the fucking liar.