Romney has every possible advantage.

[Seawytch]

Romney has every possible advantage...except the fact that people just don't like the guy.

 

[Truthmatters]

Thanks for making it easy for me to disprove your point....

You're simply ignoring my point. We're never going to have anything like real democracy as long as we fall for the partisan crap. While it's encouraging that you (quite rightly) call bullshit on Romney, and (quite rightly) point out that he's where he is because of big money and establishment support - you turn a blind eye to the fact that Obama is cut from exactly the same cloth. He may have marginally greater populist appeal, but any notion that he's a "man of the people" is laughably naive. He's where he is because he is no threat to the powers that be, and never had any intention of changing anything of substance.

I understand what you are saying, but I would respectfully disagree.

Hillary was the establishment candidate in 2008, and she lost because of the black vote, not because Obama had a 7 to 1 money advantage from billionaires like Romney has.

The base hates Romney, but he will win because he has the billionaires behind him.

It was more than just blacks.

Obama is of the people.

He has had the entire power structure of the right trying to stop everything he tries to do to help the American people.

Hell they were ready to have us default on the debt ceiling for hells sake

 

[OtaniKitano]

I will disagree on this tremendously....
The media is and will be behind Obama....

The media makes fun of Romney all the time.....
Rush,Mark Levine ( who hates all Republicans) no one I listen to
on the radio supports Ronmey...

Romney can't keep track of what he said an hour earlier.
While he may win the nomination I doubt he can stand up
to the Obama media machine.... The Obama team will run all the
flip flopping on video and that should be enough to sink Mitt.

I think that the media is drinking the koolaid for Obama. But in the confines of the GOP nominating race, Romney has gotten a lot of positive press in the media while they've gone around digging up crap Santorum and Gingrich said years ago in order to slime them. That was Missourian's point, I think.

I think after Romney locks down the nomination, whether in June after the Utah Primary or in August at the convention, you are going to see the media going after him full bore.

We're going to see all those ex-AmPad workers who lost their jobs while Romney got rich. We are going to get that first class education on how absolutely batshit crazy Mormon beliefs are. ..

I lived in Utah for many years. Batshit doesn't begin to describe them. The LDS Church's attitude towards women makes Santorum look like one of Rush's FemiNazis.

 

[Missourian]

He has the most money.

He runs the most advertising.

He has the best organization.

He's been running for president the longest...almost 5 years.

He has the backing of the GOP establishment.

He has the support of the media.

He even has the support of most Obama supporters. (Brer Rabbits)


In the General Election, all those advantages disappear except GOP establishment support.

When he cannot win easily with every advantage...how will he fair when he has none?

He has the support of the media.

I will disagree on this tremendously....
The media is and will be behind Obama....

The media makes fun of Romney all the time.....
Rush,Mark Levine ( who hates all Republicans) no one I listen to
on the radio supports Ronmey...

Romney can't keep track of what he said an hour earlier.
While he may win the nomination I doubt he can stand up
to the Obama media machine.... The Obama team will run all the
flip flopping on video and that should be enough to sink Mitt.

I totally agree with everything you're saying here.

What I'm referring to is the MSM and Inside the Beltway media.

March 5-11, 2012 - Although the voters’ verdict was mixed on Super Tuesday, Mitt Romney proved to be the clear winner of the media narrative that followed.


In a week when Romney finished first in six of ten Super Tuesday contests, 58% of the news coverage about his candidacy was positive and just 16% negative, according to Campaign 2012 in the Media, an ongoing effort to track campaign coverage by the Pew Research Center’s Project for Excellence in Journalism.



That differential of positive coverage outpacing negative by 42 points was, by far, Romney’s best week of coverage this year.[1] (Another 26% of the coverage was neutral.) Romney’s media narrative has been on the upswing for two weeks.

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Romney also dominated in the race for the amount of coverage. He was a significant presence in fully 64% of campaign stories studied by PEJ last week, compared with 44% for Santorum.

PEJ's Election Report | Project for Excellence in Journalism (PEJ)
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[NYcarbineer]

The conservative wing of the Republican Party could have easily won the nomination with one of 'their own';

unfortunately, they were incapable of finding one of their own who isn't a muppet.

They blew one of their best opportunities ever. Or maybe more accurately, the right by its nature isn't up to the task of finding a legitimate presidential candidate.

 

[JoeB131]

I lived in Utah for many years. Batshit doesn't begin to describe them. The LDS Church's attitude towards women makes Santorum look like one of Rush's FemiNazis.

I spent six weeks at a training camp with BYU ROTC Cadets. It was enough to creep me out for life.

But when the media starts regaling us with stories about baptizing holocaust victims and them ruling planets in the afterlife, it isn't going to be good for Romney.

I just wonder why so many in the GOP are willing to walk into the trap...

 

[Missourian]

I will disagree on this tremendously....
The media is and will be behind Obama....

The media makes fun of Romney all the time.....
Rush,Mark Levine ( who hates all Republicans) no one I listen to
on the radio supports Ronmey...

Romney can't keep track of what he said an hour earlier.
While he may win the nomination I doubt he can stand up
to the Obama media machine.... The Obama team will run all the
flip flopping on video and that should be enough to sink Mitt.

I think that the media is drinking the koolaid for Obama. But in the confines of the GOP nominating race, Romney has gotten a lot of positive press in the media while they've gone around digging up crap Santorum and Gingrich said years ago in order to slime them. That was Missourian's point, I think.

I think after Romney locks down the nomination, whether in June after the Utah Primary or in August at the convention, you are going to see the media going after him full bore.

We're going to see all those ex-AmPad workers who lost their jobs while Romney got rich. We are going to get that first class education on how absolutely batshit crazy Mormon beliefs are. We're going to see all those flip-flopping voted for it before I was against it vids. The media is letting them drip out a bit now to lay a foundation, but it will be a flood once Romney has it locked down...

Or in the immortal words of Admiral Akbar...

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWI8w9kLAks"]ITS A TARP! - YouTube[/ame]

I could care less about Romney being a Mormon.

I personally have yet to meet a Mormon I didn't like.

Your take on the media mirrors mine exactly...the MSM is in Romney's corner now...hedging their bet...but in the General Election, they will turn on him with a vengeance.

It's the flip-flopping, pandering and dishonesty of Romney that disqualifies him for the presidency.

I just don't trust what he says...a guy who'll say anything to get elected could be in favor of anything...or nothing...you just don't know.

This video is posted with the caveat that I have not watched every clip presented in their entirety. You all know how clever editing can change the context of a statement and "one quick" cut gives me pause. But I have watched the pro-choice clips and the anti-second amendment clips and I will verify their accuracy. I have also watched the clip with Fred Thompson...it certainly sounds like Romney is pro-mandate, but it is somewhat open to interpretation. Generally though, I think this video sums up Mitt Romney's flip flopping well.

[youtube]ensEjnGMRTA[/youtube]
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[GoneBezerk]

Romney is the best option because he will win the Mormon vote around the western states.

Romney will win the Wall street/banking/mortgage industry vote around the nation because they now realize Obamination lied to them and will make life worse in the next 4 years.

Romney will win the vote of those that are out of work and look to a businessman to fix the economy.

Romney will win the vote of normal, stable GOP voters those with a level head in politics that realize you can't win a national election threatening to ban internet porn and abortions nationwide once you step into office.....you need the independent vote to beat Democrats.

Romney can throw Obamacare back in Obamination's face telling him it is only a state's right to do it not the Federal Govt and it needs to be tweaked in MA based on his experiences, showing it isn't all that promised by Democrats.

Romney will win the middle voters, the fringe right-wing will go for Ron Paul and the fringe left-wing will vote Obamination or some communist write-in.

Kooks don't like Romney which means he is a normal person and good choice.

 

[Article 15]

Romney is outspending Rick freakin' Santorum at a 10-1 clip and the only thing keeping him ahead of him in this race is Newt Gingrich not dropping out.

 

[JoeB131]

Okay, let's break down these weak-as arguments.

Romney is the best option because he will win the Mormon vote around the western states.

Okay, this is silly. The Mormons already vote GOP. Overwealmingly. These are not the states Romney needs to be worried about. If he's fighting over Colorado or Nevada, he's already lost. He needs to win Virginia, Iowa, Ohio and Pennsylvannia, where they are certainly NOT going to vote for a Mormon.

Romney will win the Wall street/banking/mortgage industry vote around the nation because they now realize Obamination lied to them and will make life worse in the next 4 years.

Two problems with that. If I'm a Wall Street guy, I have to be looking at the Dow at 13,000 now compared to it's low point in Jan 2009 and say, "Heck, I've done pretty okay under this Obama guy." besides that, how many votes is that, anyway?

Romney will win the vote of those that are out of work and look to a businessman to fix the economy.

You really think the out of work are going to look to the "guy who lays you off" to help them? If they are still unclear on the matter, Team Obama will be happy to introduce them to the folks Romney helped at AmPad, GS Steel, DDi Instruments, Damon Medical and all the other high-profile successes where people lost their jobs and pensions while Bain got richer.

Romney will win the vote of normal, stable GOP voters those with a level head in politics that realize you can't win a national election threatening to ban internet porn and abortions nationwide once you step into office.....you need the independent vote to beat Democrats.

"Romney 2012- He'll protect your porn!" Seriously? YOu are going to go with that? Romney's numbers are awful with independents, even worse than McCain's. Did you all just miss the 2008 election where they made these arguments for McCain and they didn't happen.

Romney can throw Obamacare back in Obamination's face telling him it is only a state's right to do it not the Federal Govt and it needs to be tweaked in MA based on his experiences, showing it isn't all that promised by Democrats.

Just don't see how he does that, especially since he was tauting RomneyCare as a model for the whole nation as late as 2009. I almost feel bad for the guy on this one. Individual Mandates only became anethema to the GOP after Obama adopted them. But he's left holding the bag.

Romney will win the middle voters, the fringe right-wing will go for Ron Paul and the fringe left-wing will vote Obamination or some communist write-in.

Um, guy, if Ron Paul runs a third party campaign, Romney's done. Which is why Romney will try to appease him all the way to the convention, which will just alienate those "Middle" voters.

Kooks don't like Romney which means he is a normal person and good choice.

Normal people don't think they are wearing magic underpants, can baptize dead people and they are gonig to be Gods on their own planets in the afterlife.

They also don't say stuff like "I like to be able to fire people".

 

[Missourian]

Romney is the best option because he will win the Mormon vote around the western states.

Romney will win the Wall street/banking/mortgage industry vote around the nation because they now realize Obamination lied to them and will make life worse in the next 4 years.

Romney will win the vote of those that are out of work and look to a businessman to fix the economy.

Romney will win the vote of normal, stable GOP voters those with a level head in politics that realize you can't win a national election threatening to ban internet porn and abortions nationwide once you step into office.....you need the independent vote to beat Democrats.

Romney can throw Obamacare back in Obamination's face telling him it is only a state's right to do it not the Federal Govt and it needs to be tweaked in MA based on his experiences, showing it isn't all that promised by Democrats.

Romney will win the middle voters, the fringe right-wing will go for Ron Paul and the fringe left-wing will vote Obamination or some communist write-in.

Kooks don't like Romney which means he is a normal person and good choice.

Kudos to you for being to first Romney supporter to post in this thread.

1)New York isn't going to Romney...neither is Connecticut, Massachusetts or the rest of the Northeast with the possible exception on New Hampshire...New Jersey could go either way for both Romney and Santorum.

2) Romney doesn't pick up any additional votes. But he loses North Carolina, Virginia, Georgia and likely Ohio and Missouri by being too liberal. Plus he doesn't pick up Pennsylvania. That's a recipe for an Obama win.

3) Romney has not won the votes of the unemployed so far...There is no evidence that will change in the future.

"Throughout this primary election season, Romney has found his sturdiest support from voters with the highest incomes &#8212; those who make over $100,000 a year. He hasn&#8217;t won a majority of middle-class voters in any of the early battleground primaries, even though about 80% of voters live in a household with incomes below $100,000."​

Romney can

4) Santorum addressed the pornography position on ABC this morning...he said he was going to enforce EXISTING LAW. Is Romney opposed to enforcing the law?

As to Abortion Romney has said for the last six years that he believes Roe v. Wade should be overturned...exactly the same thing Santorum says. So either he is wants to overturn Roe, or he is a liar...your choice.

[youtube]CAuwuLse1Gg[/youtube]​

5) Romney CANNOT throw Obamacare anywhere except his own bag of flip flops:

[youtube]y6DrH6P9OC0[/youtube]​

6) Middle voters want a President they trust to do what he or she says they are going to do. Just look at recent history...in 2004 Bush was a weak unpopular president...the economy was in poor shape, we were in the midst of a Jobless Recovery...an unpopular war was not going well and gas prices were up.

The left nominated a multi-millionaire flip flopper who ran on the economy..."It's jobs, Stupid."...and ending the war (his major flip flop). How did that turn out?

Now we have almost the same situation...a multi-millionaire candidate that has flip flopped on nearly every issue...he's going to run on the economy and ending Obamacare (one of his many flip flops). How can you expect a different result?





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[Missourian]

I forgot to include another huge advantage:

George Wilcken Romney (July 8, 1907 &#8211; July 26, 1995) was an American businessman and Republican Party politician. He was chairman and president of American Motors Corporation from 1954 to 1962, the 43rd Governor of Michigan from 1963 to 1969, and the United States Secretary of Housing and Urban Development from 1969 to 1973.

He is the father of former Governor of Massachusetts Mitt Romney and the husband of former Michigan U.S. Senate candidate Lenore Romney.

George W. Romney - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia​

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George Romney ran for the 1968 Republican Party nomination in the 1968 United States presidential election.


Romney was the Governor of Michigan and a renowned automaker who focused his campaign on the issues of fiscal responsibility, welfare reform, and the Vietnam War.

George Romney presidential campaign, 1968 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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[Peach]

But he loses North Carolina, Virginia, Georgia and likely Ohio and Missouri by being too liberal. Plus he doesn't pick up Pennsylvania. That's a recipe for an Obama win.
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Georgia, NC & Virginia for Obama? THAT I don't see.

 

[Missourian]

But he loses North Carolina, Virginia, Georgia and likely Ohio and Missouri by being too liberal. Plus he doesn't pick up Pennsylvania. That's a recipe for an Obama win.
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Georgia, NC & Virginia for Obama? THAT I don't see.

Obama won North Carolina, and Virginia in 2008. McCain held Georgia by only 3 points. Missouri was a .01% squeaker...McCain had a anorexic 3000 vote victory over Obama.

With Romney and Obama so similar in their positions, especially Rombamacare, the advantage goes to the incumbent...just like it did with Bush in 2004.

 

[JoeB131]

But he loses North Carolina, Virginia, Georgia and likely Ohio and Missouri by being too liberal. Plus he doesn't pick up Pennsylvania. That's a recipe for an Obama win.
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Georgia, NC & Virginia for Obama? THAT I don't see.

Really. Take a loot at these RCP Polls...

RealClearPolitics - Virginia: Obama vs. Republicans

RCP Average 1/16 - 3/2 -- 46.3 42.3 Obama +4.0
NBC News/Marist 2/29 - 3/2 1273 RV 52 35 Obama +17
Rasmussen Reports 2/21 - 2/21 500 LV 49 43 Obama +6
Roanoke College 2/13 - 2/26 607 A 42 43 Romney +1
CNU/Times-Dispatch 2/4 - 2/13 1018 RV 43 46 Romney +3
Quinnipiac 2/1 - 2/6 1544 RV 47 43 Obama +4
Mason-Dixon 1/16 - 1/18 625 LV 45 44 Obama +1

Obama is ahead in 4 out of six.

RealClearPolitics - North Carolina: Obama vs. Republicans

Poll Date Sample Obama (D) Romney (R) Spread
PPP (D) 3/8 - 3/11 804 RV 49 46 Obama +3
PPP (D) 2/3 - 2/5 1052 RV 47 46 Obama +1
Civitas (R) 1/9 - 1/11 300 LV 39 48 Romney +9
PPP (D) 1/5 - 1/8 780 RV 46 45 Obama +1
PPP (D) 12/1 - 12/4 865 RV 46 46 Tie


These are not must wins for Obama, BTW. All Obama has to do is win all the states Kerry and Gore won plus Ohio, and he's at 275.

 

[JoeB131]

But he loses North Carolina, Virginia, Georgia and likely Ohio and Missouri by being too liberal. Plus he doesn't pick up Pennsylvania. That's a recipe for an Obama win.
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Georgia, NC & Virginia for Obama? THAT I don't see.

Obama won North Carolina, and Virginia in 2008. McCain held Georgia by only 3 points. Missouri was a .01% squeaker...McCain had a anorexic 3000 vote victory over Obama.

With Romney and Obama so similar in their positions, especially Rombamacare, the advantage goes to the incumbent...just like it did with Bush in 2004.

Actually, the real one to watch might by your state... McCain only won by 5000 votes in 2008. Obama's from a neighboring state, and they've historically had no love for Romney or his co-religionists.

Romney leads for now, but neither one is breaking 50%.

 

[Peach]

But he loses North Carolina, Virginia, Georgia and likely Ohio and Missouri by being too liberal. Plus he doesn't pick up Pennsylvania. That's a recipe for an Obama win.
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Georgia, NC & Virginia for Obama? THAT I don't see.

Really. Take a loot at these RCP Polls...

RealClearPolitics - Virginia: Obama vs. Republicans

RCP Average 1/16 - 3/2 -- 46.3 42.3 Obama +4.0
NBC News/Marist 2/29 - 3/2 1273 RV 52 35 Obama +17
Rasmussen Reports 2/21 - 2/21 500 LV 49 43 Obama +6
Roanoke College 2/13 - 2/26 607 A 42 43 Romney +1
CNU/Times-Dispatch 2/4 - 2/13 1018 RV 43 46 Romney +3
Quinnipiac 2/1 - 2/6 1544 RV 47 43 Obama +4
Mason-Dixon 1/16 - 1/18 625 LV 45 44 Obama +1

Obama is ahead in 4 out of six.

RealClearPolitics - North Carolina: Obama vs. Republicans

Poll Date Sample Obama (D) Romney (R) Spread
PPP (D) 3/8 - 3/11 804 RV 49 46 Obama +3
PPP (D) 2/3 - 2/5 1052 RV 47 46 Obama +1
Civitas (R) 1/9 - 1/11 300 LV 39 48 Romney +9
PPP (D) 1/5 - 1/8 780 RV 46 45 Obama +1
PPP (D) 12/1 - 12/4 865 RV 46 46 Tie


These are not must wins for Obama, BTW. All Obama has to do is win all the states Kerry and Gore won plus Ohio, and he's at 275.

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THIS year I see NC & VA. going REPUBLICAN. Romney is more conservative than Obama, or will appear so.

 

[JoeB131]

He's not as conservative as McCain was, and McCain still lost those states.

 

[Missourian]

But he loses North Carolina, Virginia, Georgia and likely Ohio and Missouri by being too liberal. Plus he doesn't pick up Pennsylvania. That's a recipe for an Obama win.
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Georgia, NC & Virginia for Obama? THAT I don't see.

Really. Take a loot at these RCP Polls...

RealClearPolitics - Virginia: Obama vs. Republicans

RCP Average 1/16 - 3/2 -- 46.3 42.3 Obama +4.0
NBC News/Marist 2/29 - 3/2 1273 RV 52 35 Obama +17
Rasmussen Reports 2/21 - 2/21 500 LV 49 43 Obama +6
Roanoke College 2/13 - 2/26 607 A 42 43 Romney +1
CNU/Times-Dispatch 2/4 - 2/13 1018 RV 43 46 Romney +3
Quinnipiac 2/1 - 2/6 1544 RV 47 43 Obama +4
Mason-Dixon 1/16 - 1/18 625 LV 45 44 Obama +1

Obama is ahead in 4 out of six.

RealClearPolitics - North Carolina: Obama vs. Republicans

Poll Date Sample Obama (D) Romney (R) Spread
PPP (D) 3/8 - 3/11 804 RV 49 46 Obama +3
PPP (D) 2/3 - 2/5 1052 RV 47 46 Obama +1
Civitas (R) 1/9 - 1/11 300 LV 39 48 Romney +9
PPP (D) 1/5 - 1/8 780 RV 46 45 Obama +1
PPP (D) 12/1 - 12/4 865 RV 46 46 Tie


These are not must wins for Obama, BTW. All Obama has to do is win all the states Kerry and Gore won plus Ohio, and he's at 275.

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THIS year I see NC & VA. going REPUBLICAN. Romney is more conservative than Obama, or will appear so.

Made a new thread for this discussion...it seams you are correct, at the moment Georgia is not in play...but I still maintain it could be if Romney is the nominee.

New Thread: http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/213846-electoral-battle-romney-vs-santorum.html#post4979837

 

[candycorn]

Romney is the best option because he will win the Mormon vote around the western states.

Romney will win the Wall street/banking/mortgage industry vote around the nation because they now realize Obamination lied to them and will make life worse in the next 4 years.

Romney will win the vote of those that are out of work and look to a businessman to fix the economy.

Romney will win the vote of normal, stable GOP voters those with a level head in politics that realize you can't win a national election threatening to ban internet porn and abortions nationwide once you step into office.....you need the independent vote to beat Democrats.

Romney can throw Obamacare back in Obamination's face telling him it is only a state's right to do it not the Federal Govt and it needs to be tweaked in MA based on his experiences, showing it isn't all that promised by Democrats.

Romney will win the middle voters, the fringe right-wing will go for Ron Paul and the fringe left-wing will vote Obamination or some communist write-in.

Kooks don't like Romney which means he is a normal person and good choice.

There may be some truth to that; I don't think anyone outside of Huntsman would have stood a chance tonight.