Rising Sea Levels Reshape Miami’s Housing Market

[Crick]

As my linkS said, S Florida, indeed All of the Southeast, is facing a 20mm a Year rise in Sea level: 6x the planetary average.. which is itself accelerating.

South Florida’s Real Estate Reckoning Could Be Closer Than You Think
By Christopher Flavelle
December 29, 2017

Ross Hancock sold his four-bedroom house in Coral Gables, a city of pastel luxury at the edge of Miami, because he was worried that sea-level rise would eventually hurt his property’s value. He and his wife, Darlene, downsized to a small condo on Biscayne Bay, perched atop one of the highest coral ridges in the area. There, he presumed, they would be safer. - Then Hurricane Irma hit.
The September storm pushed water onshore with such force that it penetrated the seams of Hancock’s building, defeating stormproof windows and damaging a third of the units. It knocked out the elevators, ruined the generator, and flooded the parking lot. Months later the park next door remains strewn with mangled yachts hurled from from the ocean.

In a working paper posted this month on Social Science Research Network, an online repository of academic research, professors from the University of Colorado... and Penn State University found that homes exposed to sea-level rise sell at a 7% discount compared with equivalent but unexposed properties.

“This Discount has grown over time,” the authors wrote, “and is driven by sophisticated buyers and communities worried about global warming.” Properties along both coasts of Florida are at risk of sea-level rise, mapping in the paper shows.

Marla Martin, a spokeswoman for Florida Realtors, which represents the state’s real estate agents, wasn’t available to comment.[......]​

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There's that magic word "could" yet again. When will you folks learn that "could" actually means "almost certainly won't."

The word "could" appears nowhere in the quoted text.

 

[westwall]

As my linkS said, S Florida, indeed All of the Southeast, is facing a 20mm a Year rise in Sea level: 6x the planetary average.. which is itself accelerating.

South Florida’s Real Estate Reckoning Could Be Closer Than You Think
By Christopher Flavelle
December 29, 2017

Ross Hancock sold his four-bedroom house in Coral Gables, a city of pastel luxury at the edge of Miami, because he was worried that sea-level rise would eventually hurt his property’s value. He and his wife, Darlene, downsized to a small condo on Biscayne Bay, perched atop one of the highest coral ridges in the area. There, he presumed, they would be safer. - Then Hurricane Irma hit.
The September storm pushed water onshore with such force that it penetrated the seams of Hancock’s building, defeating stormproof windows and damaging a third of the units. It knocked out the elevators, ruined the generator, and flooded the parking lot. Months later the park next door remains strewn with mangled yachts hurled from from the ocean.

In a working paper posted this month on Social Science Research Network, an online repository of academic research, professors from the University of Colorado... and Penn State University found that homes exposed to sea-level rise sell at a 7% discount compared with equivalent but unexposed properties.

“This Discount has grown over time,” the authors wrote, “and is driven by sophisticated buyers and communities worried about global warming.” Properties along both coasts of Florida are at risk of sea-level rise, mapping in the paper shows.

Marla Martin, a spokeswoman for Florida Realtors, which represents the state’s real estate agents, wasn’t available to comment.[......]​

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There's that magic word "could" yet again. When will you folks learn that "could" actually means "almost certainly won't."

The word "could" appears nowhere in the quoted text.

Yeah, it's only in the title...duhh!

South Florida’s Real Estate Reckoning Could Be Closer Than You Think

 

[Crick]

Ah... so you think mainstream science should do a better job of nailing down whether or not South Florida will experience a "Real Estate Reckoning"?

 

[westwall]

Ah... so you think mainstream science should do a better job of nailing down whether or not South Florida will experience a "Real Estate Reckoning"?

No, I think climate "science" needs to adhere to the Scientific Method and stop using media sound bites to foment policy.

 

[Crick]

I rather doubt that headline was the product of mainstream science. And being a scientist does not absolve anyone of the responsibilities of being a good citizen locally and globally.

It's quite obvious that you're desire is simply to stop mainstream science from constantly showing you to be a fool.

 

[westwall]

I rather doubt that headline was the product of mainstream science. And being a scientist does not absolve anyone of the responsibilities of being a good citizen locally and globally.

It's quite obvious that you're desire is simply to stop mainstream science from constantly showing you to be a fool.

And you would be wrong, as usual. Take a look at any climate change "study" and you find the magi words "suggest", "could", or "might". They make no predictions other than the most vague. In other words they have stolen a page out of the palm readers play book. Charlatans are charlatans, no matter what sort of "product" they are pushing.

 

[abu afak]

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And you would be wrong, as usual. Take a look at any climate change "study" and you find the magi words "suggest", "could", or "might". They make no predictions other than the most vague. In other words they have stolen a page out of the palm readers play book. Charlatans are charlatans, no matter what sort of "product" they are pushing.

Again, you 70 IQ Jerkoff..
This string is talking about ACTUAL Effects of Rising Sea Level in Miami, and what already happenED.
"could" it go higher" YES
Will it go higher Yes.. too.
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[westwall]

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And you would be wrong, as usual. Take a look at any climate change "study" and you find the magi words "suggest", "could", or "might". They make no predictions other than the most vague. In other words they have stolen a page out of the palm readers play book. Charlatans are charlatans, no matter what sort of "product" they are pushing.

Again, you 70 IQ Jerkoff..
This string is talking about ACTUAL Effects of Rising Sea Level in Miami, and what already happenED.
"could" it go higher" YES
Will it go higher Yes.. too.
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Poor, poor cupcake. Yes, the sea level will certainly rise. It has always gone up and down. Always. What is unsubstantiated from you people is how a supposed 5mm rise in sea level can cause a flood.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

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And you would be wrong, as usual. Take a look at any climate change "study" and you find the magi words "suggest", "could", or "might". They make no predictions other than the most vague. In other words they have stolen a page out of the palm readers play book. Charlatans are charlatans, no matter what sort of "product" they are pushing.

Again, you 70 IQ Jerkoff..
This string is talking about ACTUAL Effects of Rising Sea Level in Miami, and what already happenED.
"could" it go higher" YES
Will it go higher Yes.. too.
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Poor, poor cupcake. Yes, the sea level will certainly rise. It has always gone up and down. Always. What is unsubstantiated from you people is how a supposed 5mm rise in sea level can cause a flood.

Higher CO2 levels will make the ocean carbonated.
Then the waves will cause the bubbles to all come out at once,
like pouring warm soda into your glass can make it overflow.

The only thing that can save us is millions of solar powered straws.

 

[abu afak]

Since the TROLL Todsterpatriot puts up NO Data, NO links, etc, and just Trolls with wisecracks...
I'll continue despite him.

Miami is racing against time to keep up with sea-level rise
By KEVIN LORIA | April 12, 2018
Miami is racing against time to keep up with sea-level rise

• Miami and Miami Beach already struggle with serious flooding related to sea-level rise — even when there is no rain.
• The ground under the cities of South Florida is largely porous limestone, which means water will eventually rise up through it.
• The cities are taking flood-control measures like installing pumps, raising roads, and restoring wetlands.
• Coastal cities around the world face similar problems.

When the flooding is really bad, water doesn’t just fill the streets outside Manolo Pedraza’s house. It bubbles up through a shower drain.

Pedraza lives in Shorecrest, a northern Miami neighborhood that faces flooding so regularly it happens even when it hasn’t rained. All it takes to fill the streets to knee-high depth on those days is a full moon.
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[eagle1462010]

Need a little help here.................someone pass the nails up.....

We are all going to die....

 

[abu afak]

Today's Sun Sentinel

Sea-level rise: the defining issue of the century | Editorial
Sea-level rise: the defining issue of the century | Editorial

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No graver threat faces the future of South Florida than the accelerating pace of sea-level rise. In the past century, the sea has risen 9 inches. In the past 23 years, it’s risen 3 inches. By 2060, it’s predicted to rise another 2 feet, with no sign of slowing down.

8 feet by 2100, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

It’s not just a matter of how much land we’re going to lose, though the barrier islands and low-lying communities will be largely uninhabitable once the ocean rises by 3 feet. It’s a matter of what can be saved. And elsewhere, how we’re going to manage the retreat.

You see the evidence several times a year in Miami Beach, the finger isles of Fort Lauderdale and along the Intracoastal Waterway in Delray Beach. During king tides on sunny days, seawater bubbles up through storm drains and over seawalls into lawns, streets and storefronts. That didn’t happen 20 years ago, but it’s going to happen more and more.
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more at link above

 

[Crick]

And you would be wrong, as usual. Take a look at any climate change "study" and you find the magi words "suggest", "could", or "might". They make no predictions other than the most vague. In other words they have stolen a page out of the palm readers play book. Charlatans are charlatans, no matter what sort of "product" they are pushing.

And, once more, Westwall demonstrates his complete ignorance of the scientific method.

 

[westwall]

And you would be wrong, as usual. Take a look at any climate change "study" and you find the magi words "suggest", "could", or "might". They make no predictions other than the most vague. In other words they have stolen a page out of the palm readers play book. Charlatans are charlatans, no matter what sort of "product" they are pushing.

And, once more, Westwall demonstrates his complete ignorance of the scientific method.

Where does the word "consensus" exist in the Scientific Method. I'll wait...

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

And you would be wrong, as usual. Take a look at any climate change "study" and you find the magi words "suggest", "could", or "might". They make no predictions other than the most vague. In other words they have stolen a page out of the palm readers play book. Charlatans are charlatans, no matter what sort of "product" they are pushing.

And, once more, Westwall demonstrates his complete ignorance of the scientific method.

Where does the word "consensus" exist in the Scientific Method. I'll wait...

Between "hide the decline" and "Mike's Nature Trick".

 

[abu afak]

Where does the word "consensus" exist in the Scientific Method. I'll wait...

(moromic emoticon that only Stupid deniers like to use deleted in quote)
Uh...
Scientific consensus - Wikipedia

Scientific consensus
is the collective judgment, position, and opinion of the community of scientists in a particular field of study. Consensus implies general agreement, though not necessarily unanimity.[1]

Consensus is normally achieved through communication at conferences, the publication process, replication (reproducible results by others), and peer review. These lead to a situation in which those within the discipline can often recognize such a consensus where it exists, but communicating to outsiders that consensus has been reached can be difficult, because the 'normal' debates through which science progresses may seem to outsiders as contestation.[2] On occasion, scientific institutes issue position statements intended to communicate a summary of the science from the "inside" to the "outside" of the scientific community. In cases where there is little controversy regarding the subject under study, establishing what the consensus is can be quite straightforward.
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[westwall]

Where does the word "consensus" exist in the Scientific Method. I'll wait...

(moromic emoticon that only Stupid deniers like to use deleted in quote)
Uh...
Scientific consensus - Wikipedia

Scientific consensus
is the collective judgment, position, and opinion of the community of scientists in a particular field of study. Consensus implies general agreement, though not necessarily unanimity.[1]

Consensus is normally achieved through communication at conferences, the publication process, replication (reproducible results by others), and peer review. These lead to a situation in which those within the discipline can often recognize such a consensus where it exists, but communicating to outsiders that consensus has been reached can be difficult, because the 'normal' debates through which science progresses may seem to outsiders as contestation.[2] On occasion, scientific institutes issue position statements intended to communicate a summary of the science from the "inside" to the "outside" of the scientific community. In cases where there is little controversy regarding the subject under study, establishing what the consensus is can be quite straightforward.
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I repeat, where in the DESCRIPTION of the Scientific Method does the word "consensus" appear.

 

[abu afak]

...I repeat, where in the DESCRIPTION of the Scientific Method does the word "consensus" appear.

You ******* MORON.
It doesn't have to me part of the 'scientific method' to be a Scientifically valid and Used term.
But it is the result of many scientists Using that method, and coming to same conclusion!

You are TOO STUPID For Words.
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[Dan Stubbs]

This has been going on in many places in the nation for decades.
Now one of the biggest victims of AGW showing evidence of what is to come.
For all you warming deniers: you Clowns who say "it's colder than normal in Chicago today, so it can't be warming".
Would you write a 30 year mortgage on a Miami waterfront house?

Rising Sea Levels Reshape Miami’s Housing Market
Properties on the coast now trade at Discounts as flood waters and ‘king tides’ damp enthusiasm for oceanfront living
By Laura Kusisto and Arian Campo-Flores
Wall Street Journal - April 20, 2018
Rising Sea Levels Reshape Miami’s Housing Market

MIAMI—Concerns over rising sea levels and floods are beginning to reshape one of the country’s largest housing markets, with properties closer to sea level now trading at discounts to those at higher elevations.

Research published Friday in the journal of Environmental Research Letters shows that single-family homes in Miami-Dade County are rising in value more slowly near sea level than at higher elevations, as buyers weigh the possibilities of more-frequent minor flooding in the short term and the challenge of reselling...
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balance by subscription, but you get the picture.
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That is called High Tide in South Fla, and happens. The other is it rained and low areas that builders build in are really low.

 

[westwall]

...I repeat, where in the DESCRIPTION of the Scientific Method does the word "consensus" appear.

You ******* MORON.
It doesn't have to me part of the 'scientific method' to be a Scientifically valid and Used term.

You are TOO STUPID For Words.
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your pal crick stated that i don't know anything about the Scientific Method yet he relies on this thing called a scientific consensus for his opinions. So, I asked for him to show the class where the word "consensus" (a POLITICAL term, not a scientific one) appears in the definition of the Scientific Method, and as per usual he fled. So then you come along and throw a temper tantrum but still you aren't able to show how consensus applies to the Scientific Method. It appears that it is you people who don't know what the heck you are talking about.