RightWingers...If Torture Techniques Are Truly Responsible

[Soggy in NOLA]

For getting the intelligence that led to the discovery and killing of Osama Bin Laden, then...

a.) What SPECIFIC information was it?

and

2.) WHY wasn't it done 6 or even 4 years ago?

What you people want us to buy is that somehow, some kind of VERY important information was garnered from beating the living snot out of some Muslims that is just NOW baring fruit.

Anyone who would actually believe that should have their head examined.

Can you enlighten the rest of us?

Hey, dumbfuck... who the hell said we "beat the snot out of some Muslims"?

You really are a jackass of the lowest order Marc.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Nobody was tortured. They were waterboarded.

Same thing.​

What it revealed was that Obama was reduced to using couriers to communicate.

...And, you've got the transcripts to prove that....or, are you taking BUSHCO's word, for that? (....'Cause, their track-record, for telling the truth, isn't anything to write home about.)​

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejph4LBdmmc"]YouTube - WMD LIES - Bush Cheney Rumsfeld etc. - THE ULTIMATE CLIP[/ame]​

I'm grateful for any and all video and audio evidence of the Bush administrations dishonest march to a needless war which ended up distracting us from our real goal. Conservatives can't unring that bell. They're just counting on the short memories of people. And if they have to lie in response to questions about what happened and how, that's no moral dilemma for them.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Now, let's recap:

Enhanced interrogation..... BAD.
Assaisination.... GOOD.

So, I guess its all gravy as long as we kill them in the process.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

For getting the intelligence that led to the discovery and killing of Osama Bin Laden, then...

a.) What SPECIFIC information was it?

and

2.) WHY wasn't it done 6 or even 4 years ago?

What you people want us to buy is that somehow, some kind of VERY important information was garnered from beating the living snot out of some Muslims that is just NOW baring fruit.

Anyone who would actually believe that should have their head examined.

Can you enlighten the rest of us?

You're a fucking fool. The last waterboarding (that has been admitted to) was in 2003, it led to the information that EVENTUALLY led to Bin Laden.

Bullshit.

You can't prove that.

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[Mr. Shaman]

Waterboarding = torture.

Waterboarding = making lil' jihadi goat herders highly uncomfortable.

Slowly sawing ones head off = torture.

Aw, jeez....much like redefining History, you Teabaggers are (now) down-grading murder.....to torture?

 

[LibocalypseNow]

They blew an unarmed man's face off (Bin Laden) in his home and in front of his children. But the Left sees no possible crime there? Yet they get all worked up over dunking some douchebag Terrorist's head in some water? The Left is lost these days. They're just not making any sense.

 

[Wicked Jester]

Nobody was tortured. They were waterboarded.

Same thing.​

What it revealed was that Obama was reduced to using couriers to communicate.

...And, you've got the transcripts to prove that....or, are you taking BUSHCO's word, for that? (....'Cause, their track-record, for telling the truth, isn't anything to write home about.)​

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejph4LBdmmc"]YouTube - WMD LIES - Bush Cheney Rumsfeld etc. - THE ULTIMATE CLIP[/ame]​

I'm grateful for any and all video and audio evidence of the Bush administrations dishonest march to a needless war which ended up distracting us from our real goal. Conservatives can't unring that bell. They're just counting on the short memories of people. And if they have to lie in response to questions about what happened and how, that's no moral dilemma for them.

I just love shoving the following in the faces of ignorant liberal fools like you.

Interrogator Shares Saddam's Confessions - 60 Minutes - CBS News

Only one man is responsible for the invasion, Sadaam Hussein himself. He was given many ample opportunities by Bush for over two tears to come clean about his WMD's. He chose to continue the lie. Chose to continually throw the inspectors out. Chose to continually shoot at out our planes. Chose to continually rattle his sword, until it was rightfully and firmly planted up his sorry ass, once and for all.

 

[Zoom-boing]

For getting the intelligence that led to the discovery and killing of Osama Bin Laden, then...

a.) What SPECIFIC information was it?

and

2.) WHY wasn't it done 6 or even 4 years ago?

What you people want us to buy is that somehow, some kind of VERY important information was garnered from beating the living snot out of some Muslims that is just NOW baring fruit.

Anyone who would actually believe that should have their head examined.

Can you enlighten the rest of us?

Nobody was tortured. They were waterboarded.

What it revealed was that Obama was reduced to using couriers to communicate. This in turn led to the nickname of his #1 courier. Which in turn eventually led to the identity of the courier, and a way to track his phone.

Yes, intel can take years to piece everything together.....Kudos to GWB for enacting policies that helped eventually kill Bin laden.

It's just driving you loony lib's fuckin' bonkers to know that all those claims made by your loony liberal hero's, too include Barack Hussein Obama, that waterbaording doesn't work, were just flushed down the fucking toilet.......Once again, idiotic liberals were fully proven to be WRONG, yet AGAIN, on another very important issue.

Stupid idiots!

Nice, um . . . typo.

 

[Jack Fate]

Obama Bin Biden.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Cheney on Waterboarding

Posted by Butler Shaffer on April 21, 2009 11:43 AM

Dick Cheney is once again defending water torture on the grounds that it has provided much useful information. Most psychologists dispute this. It seems to me there is an effective way to test Cheney’s assertion: subject him to a test – at the hands of the same kind of skilled torturers the CIA has been using – for the purpose of extracting from him the most deeply-held secrets of his tenure as vice-president. If he begins confessing to detailed criminal wrongdoing on his part, he will have proved his point!

Agreed.

Lets.....

.....start, HERE!!

 

[Wicked Jester]

For getting the intelligence that led to the discovery and killing of Osama Bin Laden, then...

a.) What SPECIFIC information was it?

and

2.) WHY wasn't it done 6 or even 4 years ago?

What you people want us to buy is that somehow, some kind of VERY important information was garnered from beating the living snot out of some Muslims that is just NOW baring fruit.

Anyone who would actually believe that should have their head examined.

Can you enlighten the rest of us?

Nobody was tortured. They were waterboarded.

What it revealed was that Obama was reduced to using couriers to communicate. This in turn led to the nickname of his #1 courier. Which in turn eventually led to the identity of the courier, and a way to track his phone.

Yes, intel can take years to piece everything together.....Kudos to GWB for enacting policies that helped eventually kill Bin laden.

It's just driving you loony lib's fuckin' bonkers to know that all those claims made by your loony liberal hero's, too include Barack Hussein Obama, that waterbaording doesn't work, were just flushed down the fucking toilet.......Once again, idiotic liberals were fully proven to be WRONG, yet AGAIN, on another very important issue.

Stupid idiots!

Nice, um . . . typo.

Oooooops!

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Cheney on Waterboarding

Posted by Butler Shaffer on April 21, 2009 11:43 AM

Dick Cheney is once again defending water torture on the grounds that it has provided much useful information. Most psychologists dispute this. It seems to me there is an effective way to test Cheney’s assertion: subject him to a test – at the hands of the same kind of skilled torturers the CIA has been using – for the purpose of extracting from him the most deeply-held secrets of his tenure as vice-president. If he begins confessing to detailed criminal wrongdoing on his part, he will have proved his point!

Most psychologists are nuttier than those they treat.

Maybe you just made a bad choice.

Did you $hop-around, for one.....or, were qualifications your higher-priority?

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[pete]

Waterboarding = torture.

No mother fucker
Cutting someones head off while they are alive is torture. Can you imagine the thought leading up to it with you hands tied behind your back and then the actual act ... all the while know YOU ARE GOING TO DIE a brutal death!!!!!
Water boarding is uncomfortable and inconvenient and TEMPORARY!!! You will live and you are taught not to give up info so it happens longer. To stop it all you need to do is talk and if you dont you still live.

Ill take the water boarding any day!!!!

 

[Mustang]

Same thing.​

...And, you've got the transcripts to prove that....or, are you taking BUSHCO's word, for that? (....'Cause, their track-record, for telling the truth, isn't anything to write home about.)​

YouTube - WMD LIES - Bush Cheney Rumsfeld etc. - THE ULTIMATE CLIP​

I'm grateful for any and all video and audio evidence of the Bush administrations dishonest march to a needless war which ended up distracting us from our real goal. Conservatives can't unring that bell. They're just counting on the short memories of people. And if they have to lie in response to questions about what happened and how, that's no moral dilemma for them.

I just love shoving the following in the faces of ignorant liberal fools like you.

Interrogator Shares Saddam's Confessions - 60 Minutes - CBS News

Only one man is responsible for the invasion, Sadaam Hussein himself. He was given many ample opportunities by Bush for over two tears to come clean about his WMD's. He chose to continue the lie. Chose to continually throw the inspectors out. Chose to continually shoot at out our planes. Chose to continually rattle his sword, until it was rightfully and firmly planted up his sorry ass, once and for all.

Logic isn't your strong suit, is it? Stating that Saddam was responsible for the invasion of Iraq is the equivalent of saying that America was responsible for the terrorist attack on 9-11.

 

[Jack Fate]

Hey, all you obamatrons, If waterboarding is torture, what do you call shooting someone in the face who is unarmed?

 

[Jack Fate]

I'm grateful for any and all video and audio evidence of the Bush administrations dishonest march to a needless war which ended up distracting us from our real goal. Conservatives can't unring that bell. They're just counting on the short memories of people. And if they have to lie in response to questions about what happened and how, that's no moral dilemma for them.

I just love shoving the following in the faces of ignorant liberal fools like you.

Interrogator Shares Saddam's Confessions - 60 Minutes - CBS News

Only one man is responsible for the invasion, Sadaam Hussein himself. He was given many ample opportunities by Bush for over two tears to come clean about his WMD's. He chose to continue the lie. Chose to continually throw the inspectors out. Chose to continually shoot at out our planes. Chose to continually rattle his sword, until it was rightfully and firmly planted up his sorry ass, once and for all.

Logic isn't your strong suit, is it? Stating that Saddam was responsible for the invasion of Iraq is the equivalent of saying that America was responsible for the terrorist attack on 9-11.

Nope. An act of evil does not equate to an act of liberty.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

From NewsMax, well-known diehard conservative news site's exclusive interview with Rumsfeld:

Rumsfeld Exclusive: There Was No Waterboarding of Courier Source

Former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld tells Newsmax the information that led to the killing of Osama bin Laden was obtained through “normal interrogation approaches.”

...

“The United States Department of Defense did not do waterboarding for interrogation purposes to anyone. It is true that some information that came from normal interrogation approaches at Guantanamo did lead to information that was beneficial in this instance. But it was not harsh treatment and it was not waterboarding.”

A number of news reports suggest that information obtained from either Al Qaeda deputy Khalid Sheik Mohammed or Abu Faraj al-Libbi, a former senior al Qaeda officer who was captured in 2005, was the key to finding Bin Laden. Like the al Qaeda figurehead, neither man was found on a battlefield in Afghanistan or Iraq. American intelligence agents tracked al-Libbi's cell phone to Mardan, Pakistan, about 75 miles north of Islamabad. They tipped off Pakistani intelligence agents who picked him up and eventually transferred him to U.S. custody. Mohammed was captured by our ally's security forces in Rawalpindi, Pakistan.

As one might expect, some observers are claiming that the intelligence gleaned from these "high value detainees" is proof that torture works. But that claim isn't supported by what we know so far. According to Newsweek's Evan Thomas, al-Libbi was first interrogated by the FBI, “but when the FBI wanted to use its normal, go-slow methods, the prisoner was turned over to the CIA—who promptly turned him over to the Egyptians.” He was later returned to American custody and interrogated again by the FBI, where former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld insists that he yielded the information under “normal interrogation approaches ...[it was] not harsh treatment and it was not waterboarding.”

But we know that while being tortured by the Egyptians, “al-Libbi talked of plots and agents,” and the information he provided “was used to make the case for war against Iraq.” As Evan Thomas noted, “there was only one problem: al-Libbi later recanted, saying that he had lied to stop the torture.”

Mohammed was also subject to torture. It was under duress that he told interrogators that al Qaeda sleeper cells had "hidden a nuclear bomb in Europe which will unleash a 'nuclear hellstorm' if Osama bin Laden is captured" -- yet more faulty information. He did not reveal the courier's name or information during waterboarding, only providing that information during regular interrogation over four years later.

So waterboarding led to the phony intelligence that got us into Iraq and was not responsible for helping us capture Bin Laden.

Uh-Oh........NOW you did it!!

 

[Amazed]

Sorry, Panetta, Gates, Hayden have all said it worked.

If you are that interested file an FOIA request.

For getting the intelligence that led to the discovery and killing of Osama Bin Laden, then...

a.) What SPECIFIC information was it?

and

2.) WHY wasn't it done 6 or even 4 years ago?

What you people want us to buy is that somehow, some kind of VERY important information was garnered from beating the living snot out of some Muslims that is just NOW baring fruit.

Anyone who would actually believe that should have their head examined.

Can you enlighten the rest of us?

 

[Wicked Jester]

I'm grateful for any and all video and audio evidence of the Bush administrations dishonest march to a needless war which ended up distracting us from our real goal. Conservatives can't unring that bell. They're just counting on the short memories of people. And if they have to lie in response to questions about what happened and how, that's no moral dilemma for them.

I just love shoving the following in the faces of ignorant liberal fools like you.

Interrogator Shares Saddam's Confessions - 60 Minutes - CBS News

Only one man is responsible for the invasion, Sadaam Hussein himself. He was given many ample opportunities by Bush for over two tears to come clean about his WMD's. He chose to continue the lie. Chose to continually throw the inspectors out. Chose to continually shoot at out our planes. Chose to continually rattle his sword, until it was rightfully and firmly planted up his sorry ass, once and for all.

Logic isn't your strong suit, is it? Stating that Saddam was responsible for the invasion of Iraq is the equivalent of saying that America was responsible for the terrorist attack on 9-11.

Yeah, I love how idiots like you just completely ignore Sadaam's confessions.....Happens everytime......Liberals just don't deal in truth. It's just the way it is.

So, what we have is Sadaam fully admitting that he continued to fake his WMD program. Wanted the world to think he still had them, particularly Iran. That he mis-calculated Bush's intentions. Didn't think he would eventually launch a full scale invasion.

Yep, only man responsible. Sadaam Hussein himself.

Suck on it, MiniaturePony.

 

[Amazed]

LMAO...you can't disprove it

And you have current Administration Officials telling you it worked.

Dismissed spanky.

For getting the intelligence that led to the discovery and killing of Osama Bin Laden, then...

a.) What SPECIFIC information was it?

and

2.) WHY wasn't it done 6 or even 4 years ago?

What you people want us to buy is that somehow, some kind of VERY important information was garnered from beating the living snot out of some Muslims that is just NOW baring fruit.

Anyone who would actually believe that should have their head examined.

Can you enlighten the rest of us?

You're a fucking fool. The last waterboarding (that has been admitted to) was in 2003, it led to the information that EVENTUALLY led to Bin Laden.

Bullshit.

You can't prove that.

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