Rick Perry Just Lost The Southern Vote: Comes Out And Opposes The Confederate Flag

[bodecea]

I'd say more like 40/50 years ago.

But the problem is WHEN it did matter in the South, the South was HEAVILY DEMOCRAT.

I know! I lived in the South during that time.

All those Jim Crow laws, and crap. You couldn't throw a rock without hitting a Democrat in those days.

The South has gone Republican in some states. It's a total joke to suggest that the Republican party care about the Confederate flag, considering our first Republican President gave his life to get rid of that flag.

Vicksburg didn't observe July 4th until after WW II idiots. Know why?

And? How does that prove what I've said wrong.

The end of WWII was 66 years ago!

But Jim Crow was the law of the land in the South until it was finally ended in 1964.

Guess who passed the Jim Crow laws?

Guess who voted to end it?

Northern Democrats and Republicans.

 

[Ravi]

Vicksburg didn't observe July 4th until after WW II idiots. Know why?

And? How does that prove what I've said wrong.

The end of WWII was 66 years ago!

But Jim Crow was the law of the land in the South until it was finally ended in 1964.

Guess who passed the Jim Crow laws?

Guess who voted to end it?

Northern Democrats and Republicans.

Liberals. And some conservatives. By conservatives I mean real conservatives, not social conservatives.

It's funny to think of it now, but once upon a time the Republican party was full of liberals.

 

[bodecea]

1) How can a non-issue like the Confederate flag make or break a candidacy twelve months away from the General Election?

2) Why should the Confederate flag be regarded as anything other than archaic and thoroughly disposable?

3) What kind of thinking leads from a candidate's repudiation of the Confederate flag to "a major political mistake"?

4) Why has this thread extended beyond two pages?

5) Why did I waste time reading this thread?

I was in the low country of South Carolina a couple of weeks ago.

I saw more than one billboard of the con flag with the words "never forget."

These people take their flag seriously.

I bet their Southern Cross flags are made in China too.

 

[teapartysamurai]

With the passage of the Civil Rights act, a solid majority of Southern Democrats joined the Republican party too

THAT IS A BLATANT LIE BY THE LIBERALS!

Wallace didn't change parties.

Robert Byrd didn't change parties.

Connoly didn't change parties.

Al Gore Sr. didn't change parties

The Democrats that voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 didn't change parties.

The ONLY Democrat they can point to is Strom Thurmond.

If you can name one other, I swear I'll die of shock, since I've been asking libs to name one other Democrat for 20 years and I have YET to have a lib answer that question.

Even if you can, I can name PLENTY OF RACIST DEMOCRATS WHO REMAINED DEMOCRATS TO THE END OF THEIR LIVES!

Just to let you know Johnson and the Kennedys were against Civil Rights in the 50s. They were against it right up to 1964 when they realized it was going to start losing them votes.

THAT'S AND ONLY THAT IS WHEN THEY CHANGED THEIR TUNE.

It didn't take candidates switching parties, it took voters changing aligience from solid Democrat to solid Republican.....and boy did they

The Republican Southern Strategy paid off big time

The "Southern Strategy" that liberals keep whining about is voters ceasing to vote Democrat and voting Republican.

As I stated before. The voters that went with Jim Crowe had died off. This was a new crop of voters (like me) who grew up AFTER those times and weren't voting about keeping Jim Crow.

They were voting to get rid of liberalism.

The only way you libs could malign it is claim racism.

You are playing the same lame tactic even today. Anyone who isn't full bore socialism must be a racist, yadda yadda yadda . . .

 

[Nosmo King]

And Liberalism ended Racism. That's why the south went Republican.

Many Conservatives present a false dichotomy. Republicans ended the Jim Crow south. Well, it was Liberal Republicans and Liberal Democrats who ended Jim Crow. Conservatives championed Jim Crow. When the ideologies of the two parties became more polarized (Liberals in the Democrat party, Conservatives to the Republicans) naturally, those who dearly missed the 'states rights' argument that they harbored their racism in became a Republican tenet of faith.

Conservatives have always been poor students of history. Otherwise, why on earth would they be Conservatives? Consistently on the wrong side of the historical curve, Conservatives will do whatever it takes, including confusing Conservative with Republican throughout history, to maintain their narrow mindedness.

 

[USArmyRetired]

THAT IS A BLATANT LIE BY THE LIBERALS!

Wallace didn't change parties.

Robert Byrd didn't change parties.

Connoly didn't change parties.

Al Gore Sr. didn't change parties

The Democrats that voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 didn't change parties.

The ONLY Democrat they can point to is Strom Thurmond.

If you can name one other, I swear I'll die of shock, since I've been asking libs to name one other Democrat for 20 years and I have YET to have a lib answer that question.

Even if you can, I can name PLENTY OF RACIST DEMOCRATS WHO REMAINED DEMOCRATS TO THE END OF THEIR LIVES!

Just to let you know Johnson and the Kennedys were against Civil Rights in the 50s. They were against it right up to 1964 when they realized it was going to start losing them votes.

THAT'S AND ONLY THAT IS WHEN THEY CHANGED THEIR TUNE.

It didn't take candidates switching parties, it took voters changing aligience from solid Democrat to solid Republican.....and boy did they

The Republican Southern Strategy paid off big time

The "Southern Strategy" that liberals keep whining about is voters ceasing to vote Democrat and voting Republican.

As I stated before. The voters that went with Jim Crowe had died off. This was a new crop of voters (like me) who grew up AFTER those times and weren't voting about keeping Jim Crow.
QUOTE]And there are millions upon millions of offspring that still want Jim Crow laws. America was at it's finest then. We became a Superpower during that timespan.

 

[rightwinger]

THAT IS A BLATANT LIE BY THE LIBERALS!

Wallace didn't change parties.

Robert Byrd didn't change parties.

Connoly didn't change parties.

Al Gore Sr. didn't change parties

The Democrats that voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 didn't change parties.

The ONLY Democrat they can point to is Strom Thurmond.

If you can name one other, I swear I'll die of shock, since I've been asking libs to name one other Democrat for 20 years and I have YET to have a lib answer that question.

Even if you can, I can name PLENTY OF RACIST DEMOCRATS WHO REMAINED DEMOCRATS TO THE END OF THEIR LIVES!

Just to let you know Johnson and the Kennedys were against Civil Rights in the 50s. They were against it right up to 1964 when they realized it was going to start losing them votes.

THAT'S AND ONLY THAT IS WHEN THEY CHANGED THEIR TUNE.

It didn't take candidates switching parties, it took voters changing aligience from solid Democrat to solid Republican.....and boy did they

The Republican Southern Strategy paid off big time

The "Southern Strategy" that liberals keep whining about is voters ceasing to vote Democrat and voting Republican.

As I stated before. The voters that went with Jim Crowe had died off. This was a new crop of voters (like me) who grew up AFTER those times and weren't voting about keeping Jim Crow.

They were voting to get rid of liberalism.

The only way you libs could malign it is claim racism.

You are playing the same lame tactic even today. Anyone who isn't full bore socialism must be a racist, yadda yadda yadda . . .

How enlightened of you to shun off Jim Crowe politics...thank a liberal for showing you the way

 

[Nosmo King]

And there are millions upon millions of offspring that still want Jim Crow laws. America was at it's finest then. We became a Superpower during that timespan.

What kind of thinking concludes that America was at its best when Jim Crow laws ruled the south? What kind of thinking concludes that discrimination, second class citizenship, intimidation and racism are qualities that are a) American and b) indicative of greatness?

I have a theory that the kind of thinking that can conclude this ridiculous crap is the same kind of thinking that dominates Social Conservative philosophy in modern America. That is to say NO thinking at all.

 

[BlindBoo]

What a huge political mistake. There are so many compassionate voters who love and adore the Confederate Flag. The Confederate flag is a symbol of the Confederacy. That is what it represents-not slavery, not racism as pandering Perry alleges. To millions of southerners, it is family heritage to them because their not to long ago ancestors fought and died for that flag and now Confederate flag loyalist are fuming mad. Perry committed political suicide today when he came out in opposition of a Confederate Flag license plate for Texans. Believe me, this will truely have consequences for Rick Perry on a massive scale. There is nothing wrong with the Confederate Flag at all and it is not racist. It is a symbol of our southern heritage, pride and traditions.


Rick Perry comes out against Confederate flag license plate | The Ticket - Yahoo! News

Yep looks like he lost the bigoted racist POS vote for sure.

 

[Liability]

It didn't take candidates switching parties, it took voters changing aligience from solid Democrat to solid Republican.....and boy did they

The Republican Southern Strategy paid off big time

The "Southern Strategy" that liberals keep whining about is voters ceasing to vote Democrat and voting Republican.

As I stated before. The voters that went with Jim Crowe had died off. This was a new crop of voters (like me) who grew up AFTER those times and weren't voting about keeping Jim Crow.

They were voting to get rid of liberalism.

The only way you libs could malign it is claim racism.

You are playing the same lame tactic even today. Anyone who isn't full bore socialism must be a racist, yadda yadda yadda . . .

How enlightened of you to shun off Jim Crowe politics...thank a liberal for showing you the way

Then thank a Conservative for showing the Dims the way so long ago.

Libs and Democratics love to take credit to which they are not properly entitled.

'Tis their way. As we have now seen yet again.

 

[rightwinger]

The "Southern Strategy" that liberals keep whining about is voters ceasing to vote Democrat and voting Republican.

As I stated before. The voters that went with Jim Crowe had died off. This was a new crop of voters (like me) who grew up AFTER those times and weren't voting about keeping Jim Crow.

They were voting to get rid of liberalism.

The only way you libs could malign it is claim racism.

You are playing the same lame tactic even today. Anyone who isn't full bore socialism must be a racist, yadda yadda yadda . . .

How enlightened of you to shun off Jim Crowe politics...thank a liberal for showing you the way

Then thank a Conservative for showing the Dims the way so long ago.

Libs and Democratics love to take credit to which they are not properly entitled.

'Tis their way. As we have now seen yet again.

Remind us again what Conservaties have ever done for this country?

 

[Sarah G]

Perry is the only one the South will vote for. The vote will be split and Bachmann will sneak right through to the general.

 

[Divine Wind]

Perry is the only one the South will vote for. The vote will be split and Bachmann will sneak right through to the general.

Disagreed. Bachmann's days are numbered. Her own people are bailing. As for Perry, he's still got a shot but he's hurting. Maybe a Perry/Cain ticket would perk people up.

Romney is still the like GOP nominee.

 

[JakeStarkey]

States right was the right to own humans, period.

No, the states had no legal right to leave the Union, and when they fired on the Union, those states signed their death warrants, which were executed.

Fired on "the Union"? Actually, South Carolina was firing on a Federal facility it considered to be trespassing.

The seeds of the Civil War were sown into the Constitution six decades previously. The problems finally boiled over into open warfare.

While I believe States, at the time, had a right to secede, regardless of justification, I do not condone slavery nor believe it was a good idea to break up the Union. Most Confederate soldiers at the time were fighting for "their country", not slavery. States were relatively sovereign and the Federal government was weak.

Noted Civil War historian Shelby Foote stated "Before the war, it was said "the United States are." Grammatically, it was spoken that way and thought of as a collection of independent states. And after the war, it was always "the United States is," as we say to day without being self-conscious at all. And that's sums up what the war accomplished. It made us an "is." "


Online NewsHour: Remembering Civil War Historian Shelby Foote -- June 29, 2005

The southern troops fired on the Union when they fired on Old Glory flying on the flagpole at Ft Sumter. That drove the northern democracy in Lincoln's hands, enabling him call up 75,000 troops from an outraged nation.

Most soldiers in the south fought because northern soldiers were there, yes. The leadership clearly understood why it fought. Read Vice-President Stephens "cornerstone address". The ninth paragraph states clearly slavery was the central issue. Cornerstone Speech by Alexander H. Stephens

 

[Dot Com]

USAR is right. Why would Perry do this

 

[bodecea]

And there are millions upon millions of offspring that still want Jim Crow laws. America was at it's finest then. We became a Superpower during that timespan.

What kind of thinking concludes that America was at its best when Jim Crow laws ruled the south? What kind of thinking concludes that discrimination, second class citizenship, intimidation and racism are qualities that are a) American and b) indicative of greatness?

I have a theory that the kind of thinking that can conclude this ridiculous crap is the same kind of thinking that dominates Social Conservative philosophy in modern America. That is to say NO thinking at all.

Well, I will say I just had a posting conversation with another poster in another thread who LOATHES teachers....apparently education is a BAD thing to them.

 

[Liability]

How enlightened of you to shun off Jim Crowe politics...thank a liberal for showing you the way

Then thank a Conservative for showing the Dims the way so long ago.

Libs and Democratics love to take credit to which they are not properly entitled.

'Tis their way. As we have now seen yet again.

Remind us again what Conservaties have ever done for this country?

Application rejected. You have been told repeatedly and have proven to be utterly ineducable.

That's what comes of your rigidly closed mind.

 

[Dot Com]

He really shot himself in the foot on this one

 

[candycorn]

Perry is the only one the South will vote for. The vote will be split and Bachmann will sneak right through to the general.

I think you're way off. The South will largely support anyone with an R next to their name.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Perry is finishing himself off without much help. If he stumbles into Florida and fails completely, the hold outs may turn to Gingrich. If it is between NG and MR in the end, Newt may well take it.

Imagine the national campaign as Bill Clinton comes out on the hunt for Newt. Newt can't hide from Bill, and Bill will metaphorically murder him in the final four weeks of the campaign. All for Obama.

The GOP is sending signals that it may be in serious, serious problems if not in the throes of possible dissolution.