Republicans taking Blame for Shutdown - Polls

[Cecilie1200]

How To Prove Obama LOWERED The Deficit In Four Easy And Indisputable Steps -

This is my favorite part of that script -

Ignorance is the GOP’s best weapon. Knowledge is ours.

Really? My favorite script part is when Peter Pan says I can help Tinkerbell live by shouting, "I DO believe in fairies!"

Doesn't make THAT true, either.

 

[PMZ]

No, we need more revenue and less spending. Though one could argue the bottom 51% should have some responsibility above zero for funding their government.

Why do we need less spending?

Are the rich not rich enough? Are their private jets and multiple mcmansions, and million dollar cars and $10,000 watches insufficient somehow?

Yes, the rich do not have enough money to fund the spending of our government.

But it appears that they have way more than enough. What do you think that they are entitled to. Versailles?

 

[PMZ]

Fine. By your measure if we eliminate FICA and Medicare the 51% could afford taxes. Put half the money they are paying now (the company %), into an interest bearing account (401k) and use the other half for taxes. There you go. Use the same amount of money more efficiently, and voila problem solved.

Ask anyone whose 401k was hurt by the 2008 economic collapse if they want to risk entrusting half of their social security to the Wall St casino and you won't find many takers. That isn't using "money more efficiently". It is like betting with it at a Vega casino with even worse odds against you. But thanks for letting us know that you don't have any real answers as to where this additional revenue is supposed to come from.

the 2008 crash was caused by you democrats trying to control housing pricing.

No, it wasn't. What we made illegal was red lining. An inherently racist approach. That had nothing to do with mortgage initiators selling mortgages with the inherent risk obscured. It was a great business for them until the crash.

 

[Snookie]

The Republican Party needs to learn that we are a democracy, not a plutocracy. We are governed of the people, by the people, for the people. We don't do plutocrats, aristocrats or royalty. We pass laws democratically and are a land of law.

They think that from the position of a small majority in the house, they are entitled to impose on the middle class what is best for the wealthy.

They need to be taught. They need us the creators of wealth, the middle class, the workers. We don't need them. If they can't live with democracy, move.

The middle class built this country and defended this country and created our democracy from their plutocracy. When they said that they needed to own people to do their work, we said no. When they said that women aren't fit to vote we said no. When they said poor people have fewer rights than rich people we said no. When they said that education is only needed for the special ones, we said no. When they said only wealth entitles people to health care, we said no.

Now they are saying that our government is theirs, and only they should decide what we can afford. That if we don't have bread we should eat cake.

This is not new. What would be new would be a middle class who didn't know how to treat people who felt entitled.

The House needs to be taught right now that it's not their country. They need to feel democracy on election days. They need to be shown that they may think that they are entitled, but as long as there is an American middle class, we will manage our government just fine.

When did we become a democracy? Last time I checked, I could have SWORN we were a republic. Where was I when that changed?

You were running around drunk and partying while it was going on.

 

[LogikAndReazon]

Blame......lol. Should have been shut down for a period of substance.....

 

[PMZ]

The Republican Party needs to learn that we are a democracy, not a plutocracy. We are governed of the people, by the people, for the people. We don't do plutocrats, aristocrats or royalty. We pass laws democratically and are a land of law.

They think that from the position of a small majority in the house, they are entitled to impose on the middle class what is best for the wealthy.

They need to be taught. They need us the creators of wealth, the middle class, the workers. We don't need them. If they can't live with democracy, move.

The middle class built this country and defended this country and created our democracy from their plutocracy. When they said that they needed to own people to do their work, we said no. When they said that women aren't fit to vote we said no. When they said poor people have fewer rights than rich people we said no. When they said that education is only needed for the special ones, we said no. When they said only wealth entitles people to health care, we said no.

Now they are saying that our government is theirs, and only they should decide what we can afford. That if we don't have bread we should eat cake.

This is not new. What would be new would be a middle class who didn't know how to treat people who felt entitled.

The House needs to be taught right now that it's not their country. They need to feel democracy on election days. They need to be shown that they may think that they are entitled, but as long as there is an American middle class, we will manage our government just fine.

When did we become a democracy? Last time I checked, I could have SWORN we were a republic. Where was I when that changed?

We are a Republic. That means that we don't have a monarch.

Democracy refers to how we make decisions. Voting. Majority rules. That's how we, the people, elect representatives. That’s how our representatives pass laws. That’s how SCOTUS makes Constitutionality decisions.

We are a Constitutional representative democratic Republic.

 

[Papageorgio]

So do Republicans get the credit for opening the government?

 

[EriktheRed]

So do Republicans get the credit for opening the government?

About the same credit as an arsonist who puts out his own fire.

 

[PMZ]

So do Republicans get the credit for opening the government?

Blame for closing it. Opening it was bipartisan.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

When only white, wealthy, males can vote, it is, by definition, plutocracy.

Wrong.

See? I knew you had no fucking clue about the definition of the term you ignorantly bandy about.

So don't think that this describes our Founders?

1 : government by the wealthy 2 : a controlling class of the wealthy

as well as the goals of the neo-Republican cult.

It plainly does not describe our Founders. And even to the extent that there is some similarity, YOU choose to IGNORE the fact that they did what they did in the TIME in which they lived.

And nobody but shitheads have any notion of what you "mean" by "neo-Republican cult."

Not that it matters. Your mutterings are ignorant.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

When only white, wealthy, males can vote, it is, by definition, plutocracy.

For the time period, it was a revolutionary democracy.

Democracy implies universal suffrage.

No. It does not.

YOUR ignorant and utopian daffynition of "democracy" might mean universal suffrage, though.

 

[Toro]

The Republican Party needs to learn that we are a democracy, not a plutocracy. We are governed of the people, by the people, for the people. We don't do plutocrats, aristocrats or royalty. We pass laws democratically and are a land of law.

They think that from the position of a small majority in the house, they are entitled to impose on the middle class what is best for the wealthy.

They need to be taught. They need us the creators of wealth, the middle class, the workers. We don't need them. If they can't live with democracy, move.

The middle class built this country and defended this country and created our democracy from their plutocracy. When they said that they needed to own people to do their work, we said no. When they said that women aren't fit to vote we said no. When they said poor people have fewer rights than rich people we said no. When they said that education is only needed for the special ones, we said no. When they said only wealth entitles people to health care, we said no.

Now they are saying that our government is theirs, and only they should decide what we can afford. That if we don't have bread we should eat cake.

This is not new. What would be new would be a middle class who didn't know how to treat people who felt entitled.

The House needs to be taught right now that it's not their country. They need to feel democracy on election days. They need to be shown that they may think that they are entitled, but as long as there is an American middle class, we will manage our government just fine.

When did we become a democracy? Last time I checked, I could have SWORN we were a republic. Where was I when that changed?

We are a Republic. That means that we don't have a monarch.

Democracy refers to how we make decisions. Voting. Majority rules. That's how we, the people, elect representatives. That’s how our representatives pass laws. That’s how SCOTUS makes Constitutionality decisions.

We are a Constitutional representative democratic Republic.

Why do people think that being a republic and being a democracy are mutually exclusive?

 

[Toro]

When only white, wealthy, males can vote, it is, by definition, plutocracy.

For the time period, it was a revolutionary democracy.

Democracy implies universal suffrage.

It didn't in the 1780s.

In the 1780s, American democracy was a revolutionary idea in a world of monarchies and aristocracies.

 

[PMZ]

When did we become a democracy? Last time I checked, I could have SWORN we were a republic. Where was I when that changed?

We are a Republic. That means that we don't have a monarch.

Democracy refers to how we make decisions. Voting. Majority rules. That's how we, the people, elect representatives. That’s how our representatives pass laws. That’s how SCOTUS makes Constitutionality decisions.

We are a Constitutional representative democratic Republic.

Why do people think that being a republic and being a democracy are mutually exclusive?

Good question. I have no idea. Must be someone told them and they believed it without checking it out.

 

[PMZ]

For the time period, it was a revolutionary democracy.

Democracy implies universal suffrage.

It didn't in the 1780s.

In the 1780s, American democracy was a revolutionary idea in a world of monarchies and aristocracies.

In the 1780s there was no American democracy. We were a plutocracy.

 

[Papageorgio]

So do Republicans get the credit for opening the government?

Blame for closing it. Opening it was bipartisan.

Actually closing it was bi-partisan.

 

[Snookie]

Democracy implies universal suffrage.

It didn't in the 1780s.

In the 1780s, American democracy was a revolutionary idea in a world of monarchies and aristocracies.

In the 1780s there was no American democracy. We were a plutocracy.

But we did have a great president.


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[Toro]

The Cook Political Report, a nonpartisan Washington-based group that tracks races, changed the ratings of 15 U.S. House seats yesterday, all but one in favor of the prospects for Democrats.

Republican Civil War Erupts: Business Groups v. Tea Party - Bloomberg

 

[PMZ]

So do Republicans get the credit for opening the government?

Blame for closing it. Opening it was bipartisan.

Actually closing it was bi-partisan.

How do you figure that?

 

[PMZ]

The Cook Political Report, a nonpartisan Washington-based group that tracks races, changed the ratings of 15 U.S. House seats yesterday, all but one in favor of the prospects for Democrats.

Republican Civil War Erupts: Business Groups v. Tea Party - Bloomberg

The bottom line for America is that the GOP has to shed the Dixiecrats and return to their former and traditional centrist position. It will cost them some votes in the short term, but it's almost a given that they won't do well next year and in 2016, so the real cost of progress would be small and more than made up in the long run.

The break has to be unequivocal and public.

I think that it might not cost them as much as anyone thinks. I believe that even many Dixiecrats would realize that, on their own, they'd be irrelevant and would elect to play a smaller role in a centrist GOP over no role at all on their own.

Perhaps I'm giving them too much credit for political savvy though.