Republicans should refuse stimulus money

[Chris]

shove it up your ass, fuckwad.

So you are sending the money back, right?

Since you complained so much about the stimulus...

No, I am going to buy guns with it just to spite your ass.

So you will help the stimulus work.

Good for you!

 

[Charles_Main]

soooooooo, under the terms in which a republican would describe this situation if it were about anyone else, this is how it would be framed by them:

"Republicans are hoping and praying for America to fail, so that they can have some political advantage?

Sad, a sad day INDEED.

What a bunch of traitors to their own country!"
.

Wow can you say Hippocrates. What have you and yours been doing for the last 8 years. Wishing Bush Well.

You guys are the very definition of Hippocrates.

For the record I am not hoping things get worse. I hope to god I am wrong about the path we are now on. I would gladly accept Democrat Rule for the rest of my life. If their policies actually work. I simply am smart enough to see they wont, and are actually corrosive to our county. That is hardly the same thing is wishing things will get worse.

no, you are full of it my dear....the Democrats DID NOT ALL VOTE AGAINST ANYTHING of President bush's in his first few days of office nor his first 2 years...so stop lying....they did not even ALL vote against the Iraq resolution, nor his tax cuts which were very controversial issues....so again, stop lying Charles.

And yes, they ended up being son of a bitches towards bush...almost embarrassing to a degree, even to me, BUT THEY NEVER LOCK STEPPED AND VOTED AGAINST A BILL....just to make a political stance against him, which is precisely what the republicans did outside of the 3.....imo.

Care

LOL what kind of drugs are you on man.

 

[elvis]

Likewise, all the Republicans on this board who complained about the stimulus should send their extra tax credits back to the Treasury and tell them to apply it to the deficit.

shove it up your ass, fuckwad.

Hmm ... sadly Chris did something right, though not on his own. This reply just proves you are siding against it just because dems are now voting for it instead of actually reading it.

It proves I think chris is a douchebag, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Charles_Main]

Actually what the Republicans need to do. Is watch this thing like a hawk. Fight to make sure Americans know exactly how this money is spent, and the Results of it. Expose every single bit of wasteful pork in it.

I find it funny you guys are so down on Republicans for this vote. to me it is the first damn thing they have done in a long time that made any sense. The bill is to much spending and not enough effective tax cuts. The republicans will gain politically in the long run for opposing this bill on that basis.

 

[KittenKoder]

Actually what the Republicans need to do. Is watch this thing like a hawk. Fight to make sure Americans know exactly how this money is spent, and the Results of it. Expose every single bit of wasteful pork in it.

I find it funny you guys are so down on Republicans for this vote. to me it is the first damn thing they have done in a long time that made any sense. The bill is to much spending and not enough effective tax cuts. The republicans will gain politically in the long run for opposing this bill on that basis.

Um ... didn't they scream about the dems wanting to do just that when the last one was passed?

 

[elvis]

funny how the writer of the article didn't address all the fucking pork in the bill. Proves he's a partisan hack.

 

[Meister]

Likewise, all the Republicans on this board who complained about the stimulus should send their extra tax credits back to the Treasury and tell them to apply it to the deficit.

shove it up your ass, fuckwad.

So you are sending the money back, right?

Since you complained so much about the stimulus...

Hey Chris, I'm going to keep the money to help pay for the taxes I'm going to be paying. If there was no stimulus bill there would be no money coming to me...it would all be a non-issue, huh?

 

[Care4all]

the stimulus will completely fail..the Republican party's greatest chance of redeeming itself is to vote against it and stand on a platform of soveringnty..small government ans fiscal responsibility and clean out there house of the socialist infiltrators...for the next election..

soooooooo, under the terms in which a republican would describe this situation if it were about anyone else, this is how it would be framed by them:

"Republicans are hoping and praying for America to fail, so that they can have some political advantage?

Sad, a sad day INDEED.

What a bunch of traitors to their own country!"
.

Wow can you say Hippocrates. What have you and yours been doing for the last 8 years. Wishing Bush Well.

You guys are the very definition of Hippocrates.

For the record I am not hoping things get worse. I hope to god I am wrong about the path we are now on. I would gladly accept Democrat Rule for the rest of my life. If their policies actually work. I simply am smart enough to see they wont, and are actually corrosive to our county. That is hardly the same thing is wishing things will get worse. It is nothing like what you guys did for the last 8 years. Hoping for, and working toward failure in Iraq. Hoping the Economy got worse to assure your victory at the polls. Man you guys are unbelievable.

You may not be doing that Charles but it looks like the repubs did it for that reason, at least some of them....

What I would like to know is how bad do you think it would have gotten and how long would it be bad, if we did as you wished and spent nothing and let the chips fall where they may?

What is your plan if this one is wrong and how do you see it as being better for our country on the whole and how many years from now would that "better off" relate to? 5 years from now, 10 years from now? 20 years from now?

for your information, there is plenty in this bill that i too do not agree with....but there IS PLENTY in this bill that i do agree with....

Care

 

[Meister]

soooooooo, under the terms in which a republican would describe this situation if it were about anyone else, this is how it would be framed by them:

"Republicans are hoping and praying for America to fail, so that they can have some political advantage?

Sad, a sad day INDEED.

What a bunch of traitors to their own country!"
.

Wow can you say Hippocrates. What have you and yours been doing for the last 8 years. Wishing Bush Well.

You guys are the very definition of Hippocrates.

For the record I am not hoping things get worse. I hope to god I am wrong about the path we are now on. I would gladly accept Democrat Rule for the rest of my life. If their policies actually work. I simply am smart enough to see they wont, and are actually corrosive to our county. That is hardly the same thing is wishing things will get worse. It is nothing like what you guys did for the last 8 years. Hoping for, and working toward failure in Iraq. Hoping the Economy got worse to assure your victory at the polls. Man you guys are unbelievable.

You may not be doing that Charles but it looks like the repubs did it for that reason, at least some of them....

What I would like to know is how bad do you think it would have gotten and how long would it be bad, if we did as you wished and spent nothing and let the chips fall where they may?

What is your plan if this one is wrong and how do you see it as being better for our country on the whole and how many years from now would that "better off" relate to? 5 years from now, 10 years from now? 20 years from now?

for your information, there is plenty in this bill that i too do not agree with....but there IS PLENTY in this bill that i do agree with....

Care

The first stimulus bill did nothing...that is 700 billion. Now we have a 787 billion that looks to be a train wreck. Then there is another stimulus bill in the pipeline to help fix the housing market. Where does it start, and where does it end, and show me where a government can spend its way out of a recession????

 

[elvis]

Likewise, all the Republicans on this board who complained about the stimulus should send their extra tax credits back to the Treasury and tell them to apply it to the deficit.

shove it up your ass, fuckwad.

So you are sending the money back, right?

Since you complained so much about the stimulus...

I complained about the stimulus because it has more democrat pork in it than the state of Iowa, fuckface.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Likewise, all the Republicans on this board who complained about the stimulus should send their extra tax credits back to the Treasury and tell them to apply it to the deficit.

shove it up your ass, fuckwad.

So you are sending the money back, right?

Since you complained so much about the stimulus...

You keep asking whether people are going to be sending money back, but you refuse to acknowledge that Republicans will still have to pay the taxes and suffer through the inflation. You believe they should make a donation to Democrats?

 

[elvis]

shove it up your ass, fuckwad.

So you are sending the money back, right?

Since you complained so much about the stimulus...

You keep asking whether people are going to be sending money back, but you refuse to acknowledge that Republicans will still have to pay the taxes and suffer through the inflation. You believe they should make a donation to Democrats?

He thinks it's free money......a free lunch.

 

[Charles_Main]

soooooooo, under the terms in which a republican would describe this situation if it were about anyone else, this is how it would be framed by them:

"Republicans are hoping and praying for America to fail, so that they can have some political advantage?

Sad, a sad day INDEED.

What a bunch of traitors to their own country!"
.

Wow can you say Hippocrates. What have you and yours been doing for the last 8 years. Wishing Bush Well.

You guys are the very definition of Hippocrates.

For the record I am not hoping things get worse. I hope to god I am wrong about the path we are now on. I would gladly accept Democrat Rule for the rest of my life. If their policies actually work. I simply am smart enough to see they wont, and are actually corrosive to our county. That is hardly the same thing is wishing things will get worse. It is nothing like what you guys did for the last 8 years. Hoping for, and working toward failure in Iraq. Hoping the Economy got worse to assure your victory at the polls. Man you guys are unbelievable.

You may not be doing that Charles but it looks like the repubs did it for that reason, at least some of them....

What I would like to know is how bad do you think it would have gotten and how long would it be bad, if we did as you wished and spent nothing and let the chips fall where they may?

What is your plan if this one is wrong and how do you see it as being better for our country on the whole and how many years from now would that "better off" relate to? 5 years from now, 10 years from now? 20 years from now?

for your information, there is plenty in this bill that i too do not agree with....but there IS PLENTY in this bill that i do agree with....

Care

We will never know how bad it would, or would not have gotten with out this bill.

My guess is this bill will have little positive effect over all, and long term negative effects.

I have stated my plan over and over.

Step one reform the tax code completely. Something along the lines of a flat tax.
Institute a small federal sales tax, which can only be used to pay down debt, or fill budget gaps.

go through the entire budget and SS, Medicare, and Medicaid, and eliminate wasteful spending. A balanced Budget would go along way to relieve some of the pressures that are causing this mess in the first place.

I have said repeatedly if you are going to spend 800 Billion the best way to use it IMO would be to simple give 2700 dollars to every man woman and child in the Country. With this bill alone you could give the average family of 4 over 10,000 dollars. Can anyone tell me that would not simulate the economy?

What we need to stop doing is acting like there are things we can not let fail. the Car companies for example. Many economist will tell you that chapter 11 Bankruptcy is the best way to go. It may be that we need to let one of them fail completely. After all if one of the big 3 failed, the other 2 would gain much of its market share and be that much more viable because of it. The same holds true in the banking world.

What we need to do is realize that Government is not the best solution to most problems. Government after all in large part caused this problems in the first place.

That is the problem with this bill. It was rushed through and passed, and all along we were told it was this bill or nothing, This bill or disaster. All the while people like me and many more were saying there are other alternatives to this bill that will work better.

The problem with this bill is trying to call it a stimulus package, and selling it as an answer to our immediate problems. It does not contain enough stimulative aspects, and to many of them will not even go into effect for month or years to come. They are trying to call things like money to sure up Medicaid, and Other social Welfare programs a stimulus.

You can argue if these things are needed or not, but trying to call them a stimulus is a joke.

 

[Xenophon]

The only problem with that idea is that all taxpayers will have to pay for it. As someone already pointed out, we'd be happy to refuse the stimulus money if we didn't have to pay taxes on it. Can you make that happen? And just so you know, States that know how to handle their budgets (like Arkansas) will be bailing out the biggest Blue State in the Union - California. How's that for a redistribution of wealth?

What he said.

 

[Xenophon]

BTW, are there any Democrats who bother to pay their taxes?

If you find any, forward their names to:

B. Obama
1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW
Washington, DC 20500

He can't seem to find them.

 

[Toro]

I don't agree with this any more than I believe that those who voted against Bush's tax cuts shouldn't receive them.

Democracy is about reaching a conclusion based on competing ideas and - most importantly - all accepting them in a peaceful manner.

Thus, if the spending is passed into law, Republicans have every right to receive funds from the stimulus as the Democrats.

 

[Lycurgus]

My guess is this bill will have little positive effect over all, and long term negative effects.

I have to agree. What real stimulus will come from this bill could have been achieved for a whole lot less of a commitment.

Further, on both sides of the isle we have incompetent people in place who played roles in getting us here, who are now in charge of getting us out. To add to this the Obama team is lost in this mess. For him to approach this in such a frantic and at time childish fashion is very worrisome. It is not reflective of the clam, cool image he built himself on and it is not indicative of a person who dots each "i" and crosses each "t".

As we wonder how bad it could have gotten? ........... Hmmm ........... We might serve ourselves to prepare for how bad it might get.

Listen, there is no one magic bullet answer to all of this. the healing will need to come from many directions and sectors. The government needed to do something, but, this package was not it. It took time to get to this point and it is going to take time to get out of this. We need to act responsibly as it begins with us, the population. We need to spend a certain amount to keep things going, but, we need to spend wisely and save in the process. It's going to be one hell of a balancing act.

Above all the unemployed need to get out and get busy, even if it is going around doing odd jobs anyplace they can. And yes, I mean do them for cash if need be!

 

[Lycurgus]

BTW, are there any Democrats who bother to pay their taxes?

If you find any, forward their names to:

B. Obama
1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW
Washington, DC 20500

He can't seem to find them.

 

[Gunny]

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Gov. Mark Sanford of South Carolina took umbrage at my writing that his approach to the economic crisis is to do nothing. I'll deal with his "ideas" in a moment, but first let me make a modest proposal:

If Republican politicians are so deeply opposed to President Obama's economic recovery plan, they should refuse to take the money. After all, if you think all that federal spending is damaging, there are easy ways to reduce it: Don't take federal money.

Gov. Sanford can lead the way. South Carolina should decline to accept any federal funds for transportation, education, health care, clean energy or any of the other ideas President Obama is advocating to fix the economy. And the rest of the GOP can follow suit.

Justice Louis Brandeis famously called states "laboratories of democracy." So let's experiment. Gov. Sanford can be the guinea pig. His Palmetto State already gets $1.35 back from Washington for every dollar it pays in federal taxes, according to 2005 numbers, the latest calculated by the Tax Foundation, a nonprofit tax research group.

Commentary: If you oppose stimulus, don't take the money - CNN.com

Do we have the same choice with opting out of having the debt payment sucked out of our paychecks?

I thought not.

 

[Harry Dresden]

That is not a good argument, all governors and all senators disagree in the way they act: governors all accept the money while the senators vote against the money the governors are so glad to accept. It is hypocrite for republicans to take the money (governors) if you take no responsibility for getting the money from the taxpayers (senators).

Republicans are just being incredibly hypocrite, they let the democrats take the pounding for getting the money from the taxpayers and yet the republican governors are the ones who seem so glad to receive the money. I thought they voted against it because they thought spending was bad?

You know what is very appropriate here?

PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS!!!!!

You ignore the fact that Republicans will be taxed and have their currency lose it's value through inflation because it passed whether they supported it or not. You ignore the fact that a Governor has no power over the way a Senator votes, regardless of ideology. You ignore the fact that not using the money in certain parts of the country defeats the entire point of the spending package in the first place.

You are simply trying to find fault with Republicans because they are Republicans.

Republican governors are eager to spend money + republican senators are eager to bash obama for spending money.

= Republicans are being hypocrite

If they (as a party) really are so fiscally concerned and fiscally conservative then they should be much more reluctant for receiving money that should be spend.


The GOP as a party has as much power over republican senators as they have over republican governors, this is proved by the governor that was supporting the stimulus bill to much: http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/69453-floridas-republican-gov-commits-political-suicide.html

You seem to ignore the fact that republican senators have said that they don't believe that the spending will work (no matter in which states it is spend). You seem to forget that republicans act according to their party: this is all agreed upon by the party leaders, this is just a political game.


This is the republican strategy:
Bash obama for abusing taxpayermoney. => political win situation
Use the federal taxpayermoney to spend in the states, this way they win voters without having to raise taxes as a governor => political win situation

= political win win situation on the backs of the democrats


You can look right through it.

Munin you can call them Hypocrites all you want,the dems are just as fucking Hypercritical....the ONLY times these bastards EVER tell the truth is when they are calling each other LIERS......