Republicans should refuse stimulus money

[Kevin_Kennedy]

That is not a good argument, all governors and all senators disagree in the way they act: governors all accept the money while the senators vote against the money the governors are so glad to accept. It is hypocrite for republicans to take the money (governors) if you take no responsibility for getting the money from the taxpayers (senators).

Republicans are just being incredibly hypocrite, they let the democrats take the pounding for getting the money from the taxpayers and yet the republican governors are the ones who seem so glad to receive the money. I thought they voted against it because they thought spending was bad?

You know what is very appropriate here?

PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS!!!!!

You ignore the fact that Republicans will be taxed and have their currency lose it's value through inflation because it passed whether they supported it or not. You ignore the fact that a Governor has no power over the way a Senator votes, regardless of ideology. You ignore the fact that not using the money in certain parts of the country defeats the entire point of the spending package in the first place.

You are simply trying to find fault with Republicans because they are Republicans.

Republican governors are eager to spend money + republican senators are eager to bash obama for spending money.

= Republicans are being hypocrite

If they (as a party) really are so fiscally concerned and fiscally conservative then they should be much more reluctant for receiving money that should be spend.


The GOP as a party has as much power over republican senators as they have over republican governors, this is proved by the governor that was supporting the stimulus bill to much: http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/69453-floridas-republican-gov-commits-political-suicide.html

You seem to ignore the fact that republican senators have said that they don't believe that the spending will work (no matter in which states it is spend). You seem to forget that republicans act according to their party: this is all agreed upon by the party leaders, this is just a political game.


This is the republican strategy:
Bash obama for abusing taxpayermoney. => political win situation
Use the federal taxpayermoney to spend in the states, this way they win voters without having to raise taxes as a governor => political win situation

= political win win situation on the backs of the democrats


You can look right through it.

The Republican Party does not control how a Senator votes or what a Governor does. The governors are going to take the money because, whether they supported it or not, they know that the people in their state, whether Republican, Democrat, Independent, or otherwise, are going to be taxed to pay for it and lose the value of their currency through inflation. You've failed to address that point, and you've failed to address the point that the whole point of this spending package is to spend across the country. If you limit who gets the money then you've defeated the purpose of the spending package in the first place.

 

[Charles_Main]

Yeah I live in Michigan, which is now a blue state, and it is freaking falling apart. We are begging for Fed Cash

 

[Care4all]

This is a bi-Partisan begging FEST from the states because this is very unusual circumstances where it actually is not TOTALLY the fault of the States and their own mismanagement, though i am certain there is a degree of mismanagement in all states...this mess we are in....left PAWED and hooked all of us every day folk as well....to go from it being reported that the Whitehouse says all was peachy keen and great with our economy to the Doomsday Speech of President Bush and Paulsen when begging for $700 billion.

you would have to look at 2-3 years ago, to see what shape each state was in to get any idea of who uses less of federal money per person and even then, how do you define a red state vs a blue state...like with massachusetts there is a Democratic public and congress with a Republican as the governor...a couple of years ago, with romney?

I bet there are other states like that as well, a couple of years back....?

I have come to think that it does not serve any of us well to be pitted against eachother in such matters and though i do not disagree there are some very abusinve states, where they do collect so much more than what they give in federal taxes, such as West Virginia with Byrd and Stephens in Alaska....for the most part, the money goes where there is the need and if that happens to be red states, then so be it....we are ALL AMERICANS.

Care

 

[eots]

the stimulus will completely fail..the Republican party's greatest chance of redeeming itself is to vote against it and stand on a platform of soveringnty..small government ans fiscal responsibility and clean out there house of the socialist infiltrators...for the next election..

 

[KittenKoder]

the stimulus will completely fail..the Republican party's greatest chance of redeeming itself is to vote against it and stand on a platform of soveringnty..small government ans fiscal responsibility and clean out there house of the socialist infiltrators...for the next election..

A Republican Project: Washington Monorail, yes, they voted to support it.

What did that project do to our state, ruin it almost (with a few other bills they pushed through as well). They rejected the lightrail, which was an independent bill, and wasted the money on the monorail that hasn't gone anywhere but instead lost us millions in tax revenue. Now the lightrail project is going on anyway, just slowly because they have to use private funding only. There is a lot about it, but it was the republicans in our state that did it. So really, if you think any one party will do better than the other you are just as much a fool as the democrats that support this bill.

Also, you must have forgotten that the bill Jr. got pushed through was almost identical, and republicans supported that one blindly as well. The problem with you both is that you are choosing whether to support the bill based only on who supports it not on what it says or does.

 

[Chris]

the stimulus will completely fail..the Republican party's greatest chance of redeeming itself is to vote against it and stand on a platform of soveringnty..small government ans fiscal responsibility and clean out there house of the socialist infiltrators...for the next election..

So you are going to return the tax cut, correct?

 

[Care4all]

the stimulus will completely fail..the Republican party's greatest chance of redeeming itself is to vote against it and stand on a platform of soveringnty..small government ans fiscal responsibility and clean out there house of the socialist infiltrators...for the next election..

soooooooo, under the terms in which a republican would describe this situation if it were about anyone else, this is how it would be framed by them:

"Republicans are hoping and praying for America to fail, so that they can have some political advantage?

Sad, a sad day INDEED.

What a bunch of traitors to their own country!"

How'd I do? Did I get the usual republican mantra down pat only substituting it with "republican"?

You just KNOW they would be mouthing that if this situation were reversed....i witnessed it several times by them the past 8 years on various issues.

 

[Charles_Main]

the stimulus will completely fail..the Republican party's greatest chance of redeeming itself is to vote against it and stand on a platform of soveringnty..small government ans fiscal responsibility and clean out there house of the socialist infiltrators...for the next election..

So you are going to return the tax cut, correct?

Why, so you and your dem buddies can spend it. No way.

Return a tax cut never lol. They take to much as it is. Besides if we returned it, it would just be put in the hands of people who did not earn it.

 

[Charles_Main]

the stimulus will completely fail..the Republican party's greatest chance of redeeming itself is to vote against it and stand on a platform of soveringnty..small government ans fiscal responsibility and clean out there house of the socialist infiltrators...for the next election..

soooooooo, under the terms in which a republican would describe this situation if it were about anyone else, this is how it would be framed by them:

"Republicans are hoping and praying for America to fail, so that they can have some political advantage?

Sad, a sad day INDEED.

What a bunch of traitors to their own country!"
.

Wow can you say Hippocrates. What have you and yours been doing for the last 8 years. Wishing Bush Well.

You guys are the very definition of Hippocrates.

For the record I am not hoping things get worse. I hope to god I am wrong about the path we are now on. I would gladly accept Democrat Rule for the rest of my life. If their policies actually work. I simply am smart enough to see they wont, and are actually corrosive to our county. That is hardly the same thing is wishing things will get worse. It is nothing like what you guys did for the last 8 years. Hoping for, and working toward failure in Iraq. Hoping the Economy got worse to assure your victory at the polls. Man you guys are unbelievable.

 

[Care4all]

the stimulus will completely fail..the Republican party's greatest chance of redeeming itself is to vote against it and stand on a platform of soveringnty..small government ans fiscal responsibility and clean out there house of the socialist infiltrators...for the next election..

So you are going to return the tax cut, correct?

Why, so you and your dem buddies can spend it. No way.

Return a tax cut never lol. They take to much as it is. Besides if we returned it, it would just be put in the hands of people who did not earn it.

simple, return it under the condition it is not spent as stimulus somewhere else.

 

[deaddude]

This is dumb.

Of course most Republican senators are going to vote against the bill. It helps them score some political points at no real risk to themselves. If it ends up working they can latch on to ANYTHING that did not go perfectly and claim that they were waiting for a better alternative.

Additionally many of them might actually have genuine reservations about the bill itself, regardless of any self serving political agenda (though genuine concern for the well being of the country is a tertiary motive at best for most legislatures with regard to most bills).

 

[Charles_Main]

So you are going to return the tax cut, correct?

Why, so you and your dem buddies can spend it. No way.

Return a tax cut never lol. They take to much as it is. Besides if we returned it, it would just be put in the hands of people who did not earn it.

simple, return it under the condition it is not spent as stimulus somewhere else.

Why should we return it at all. We are talking about a tax cut. Which means it was our money to begin with. If you were talking about a hand out I might understand, but you are talking about some of our own income, that Obama is not going to take.

besides this is stupid. Must of us who are against this bill. Actually agree with the part of it that is tax cuts. That is the part that We think will help. It is the pork Laden Spending Projects we question.

Things like bailing out Medicaid, and Handing out condoms. Things like Global Warming Studies, and other wasteful Items, that clearly are not all that stimulative, and not at all timely.

People like Chris live in a world of Absolutes. You are either for something or against it. The real world does not work that way. Republicans and Conservatives are opposing this bill because they think there are not enough tax cuts, and to much spending in it. Chris wants it to be black and white. Republicans are not opposed the most of the tax cuts in this bill. So why should they refuse them?

besides in the end nobody is going to get a tax cut from this bill. The Negative Effects of this Deficit spending. Will add more to the hidden tax we all pay in the form of a weakening dollar, and inflation, and more pressure on Credit, than the tax cuts will be worth.

 

[elvis]

Likewise, all the Republicans on this board who complained about the stimulus should send their extra tax credits back to the Treasury and tell them to apply it to the deficit.

shove it up your ass, fuckwad.

 

[Chris]

Likewise, all the Republicans on this board who complained about the stimulus should send their extra tax credits back to the Treasury and tell them to apply it to the deficit.

shove it up your ass, fuckwad.

So you are sending the money back, right?

Since you complained so much about the stimulus...

 

[Lycurgus]

Likewise, all the Republicans on this board who complained about the stimulus should send their extra tax credits back to the Treasury and tell them to apply it to the deficit.

shove it up your ass, fuckwad.

He does each time he posts!

Oh ......... love me tender!

 

[elvis]

Likewise, all the Republicans on this board who complained about the stimulus should send their extra tax credits back to the Treasury and tell them to apply it to the deficit.

shove it up your ass, fuckwad.

So you are sending the money back, right?

Since you complained so much about the stimulus...

No, I am going to buy guns with it just to spite your ass.

 

[KittenKoder]

Likewise, all the Republicans on this board who complained about the stimulus should send their extra tax credits back to the Treasury and tell them to apply it to the deficit.

shove it up your ass, fuckwad.

Hmm ... sadly Chris did something right, though not on his own. This reply just proves you are siding against it just because dems are now voting for it instead of actually reading it.

 

[Care4all]

the stimulus will completely fail..the Republican party's greatest chance of redeeming itself is to vote against it and stand on a platform of soveringnty..small government ans fiscal responsibility and clean out there house of the socialist infiltrators...for the next election..

soooooooo, under the terms in which a republican would describe this situation if it were about anyone else, this is how it would be framed by them:

"Republicans are hoping and praying for America to fail, so that they can have some political advantage?

Sad, a sad day INDEED.

What a bunch of traitors to their own country!"
.

Wow can you say Hippocrates. What have you and yours been doing for the last 8 years. Wishing Bush Well.

You guys are the very definition of Hippocrates.

For the record I am not hoping things get worse. I hope to god I am wrong about the path we are now on. I would gladly accept Democrat Rule for the rest of my life. If their policies actually work. I simply am smart enough to see they wont, and are actually corrosive to our county. That is hardly the same thing is wishing things will get worse.

no, you are full of it my dear....the Democrats DID NOT ALL VOTE AGAINST ANYTHING of President bush's in his first few days of office nor his first 2 years...so stop lying....they did not even ALL vote against the Iraq resolution, nor his tax cuts which were very controversial issues....so again, stop lying Charles.

And yes, they ended up being son of a bitches towards bush...almost embarrassing to a degree, even to me, BUT THEY NEVER LOCK STEPPED AND VOTED AGAINST A BILL....just to make a political stance against him, which is precisely what the republicans did outside of the 3.....imo.

Care

 

[Care4all]

Why, so you and your dem buddies can spend it. No way.

Return a tax cut never lol. They take to much as it is. Besides if we returned it, it would just be put in the hands of people who did not earn it.

simple, return it under the condition it is not spent as stimulus somewhere else.

Why should we return it at all. We are talking about a tax cut. Which means it was our money to begin with. If you were talking about a hand out I might understand, but you are talking about some of our own income, that Obama is not going to take.

besides this is stupid. Must of us who are against this bill. Actually agree with the part of it that is tax cuts. That is the part that We think will help. It is the pork Laden Spending Projects we question.

Things like bailing out Medicaid, and Handing out condoms. Things like Global Warming Studies, and other wasteful Items, that clearly are not all that stimulative, and not at all timely.

People like Chris live in a world of Absolutes. You are either for something or against it. The real world does not work that way. Republicans and Conservatives are opposing this bill because they think there are not enough tax cuts, and to much spending in it. Chris wants it to be black and white. Republicans are not opposed the most of the tax cuts in this bill. So why should they refuse them?

besides in the end nobody is going to get a tax cut from this bill. The Negative Effects of this Deficit spending. Will add more to the hidden tax we all pay in the form of a weakening dollar, and inflation, and more pressure on Credit, than the tax cuts will be worth.

I don't think you should return it, I simply was showing you how your excuse for not returning it, did not cut it.

 

[KittenKoder]

Care, that's what I tried saying, I just didn't say it as well. But you must realize that now the Dems are doing the exact same thing the reps did. Even though they were blocked in the end of Jrs. reign doesn't mean they should do the same out of spite.