Republicans, Evangelicals and Moral Relativism

[deanrd]

I was just watching a panel discussion with:

Joy Reid - Moderator
Frank Schaeffer - son of world famous Evangelical leaders
Sarah Rumpf - Evangelical
Pastor A.R. Bernard - anti Trump Evangelical leader
Pastor Mark Burns - Pro Trump and Pro Roy Moore Evangelical leader

It was pointed out that Donald Trump has been accused by nearly 20 women
Roy Moore accused by 9 women from different parts of the state who didn't know each other, several are Trump supporters

Naturally, the Trump supporter brought up Bill Clinton and Al Franken. Even though Bill Clinton was impeached and paid a heavy political price for is actions and Al Franken apologized to the single woman he kissed and had a nasty picture taken with while she was a asleep and she accepted his apology.

Trump and Moore threatened to sue the nearly 30 women and called them all liars and pawns.

That out of the way, to me the heart of the discussion was "Moral Relativism" discussion.

Short definition:

Descriptive moral relativism holds only that some people do in fact disagree about what is moral; meta-ethical moral relativism holds that in such disagreements, nobody is objectively right or wrong; and normative moral relativism holds that because nobody is right or wrong, we ought to tolerate the behavior of others.

At first, Pastor Mark Burns said for as a leader, morals are not necessarily a requirement to be a good leader. Then he used David from the Bible as an example.

Then, Frank Schaeffer said that this "moral relativism" is the problem among Evangelicals. He said that first of all, David was overwhelmed for his transgressions and spent the remainder of his life begging God for forgiveness and trying to make up for what he had done.

This is not something Trump and Moore have done. They not only show no remorse, but they smear their accusers and are continually caught telling untruths.

Schaeffer said his father told Richard Nixon he withdraws his support. And the reason? Nixon's foul language.

Even Kay Ivey, Governor of Alabama says she believes the women, but wants Roy Moore elected. She's hoping for another Supreme Court Judge so her religion can be forced on the rest of the country.

Alabama governor plans to vote for Moore even though ‘I have no reason to disbelieve’ accusers

So now, that begs the question. Is it true that Evangelicals now serve at the alter of Moral Relativism? That it's OK to ignore commonly held morals so they can force their own personal morals on the rest of the country?

If everyone except child molesters can agree that child molesting is wrong, then why don't their other "morals" receive such wide support? Why try to force them on people who don't agree with them?

You might say the Evangelicals have made a pact with the Devil. Selling your soul for worldly gain.

I was reading a story about a pastor from Liberty U who had the nerve to write an opinion piece critical of Trump's affairs, marriages, and pu$$y grabbing.
He was fired and escorted off campus by police.

 

[Peach]

We can always depend upon the Democrats loathing the Evangelicals

We can always depend on Evangelicals loathing:

Democrats
Gays
Muslims
Women
and others too numerous to mention.

Many Evangelicals are apolitical.

 

[Peach]

If everyone except child molesters can agree that child molesting is wrong, then why don't their other "morals" receive such wide support? Why try to force them on people who don't agree with them?

Why do you care about Moore's alleged actions of touching, when you think it's fine for teens under 18 to engage is sex? Democrats have no objection old faggots sodomizing other men, and even boys too young to drink alcohol.

You trash Democrats so others can trash evangelicals; why be intolerant blinders sheep?

 

[sealybobo]

I was just watching a panel discussion with:

Joy Reid - Moderator
Frank Schaeffer - son of world famous Evangelical leaders
Sarah Rumpf - Evangelical
Pastor A.R. Bernard - anti Trump Evangelical leader
Pastor Mark Burns - Pro Trump and Pro Roy Moore Evangelical leader

It was pointed out that Donald Trump has been accused by nearly 20 women
Roy Moore accused by 9 women from different parts of the state who didn't know each other, several are Trump supporters

Naturally, the Trump supporter brought up Bill Clinton and Al Franken. Even though Bill Clinton was impeached and paid a heavy political price for is actions and Al Franken apologized to the single woman he kissed and had a nasty picture taken with while she was a asleep and she accepted his apology.

Trump and Moore threatened to sue the nearly 30 women and called them all liars and pawns.

That out of the way, to me the heart of the discussion was "Moral Relativism" discussion.

Short definition:

Descriptive moral relativism holds only that some people do in fact disagree about what is moral; meta-ethical moral relativism holds that in such disagreements, nobody is objectively right or wrong; and normative moral relativism holds that because nobody is right or wrong, we ought to tolerate the behavior of others.

At first, Pastor Mark Burns said for as a leader, morals are not necessarily a requirement to be a good leader. Then he used David from the Bible as an example.

Then, Frank Schaeffer said that this "moral relativism" is the problem among Evangelicals. He said that first of all, David was overwhelmed for his transgressions and spent the remainder of his life begging God for forgiveness and trying to make up for what he had done.

This is not something Trump and Moore have done. They not only show no remorse, but they smear their accusers and are continually caught telling untruths.

Schaeffer said his father told Richard Nixon he withdraws his support. And the reason? Nixon's foul language.

Even Kay Ivey, Governor of Alabama says she believes the women, but wants Roy Moore elected. She's hoping for another Supreme Court Judge so her religion can be forced on the rest of the country.

Alabama governor plans to vote for Moore even though ‘I have no reason to disbelieve’ accusers

So now, that begs the question. Is it true that Evangelicals now serve at the alter of Moral Relativism? That it's OK to ignore commonly held morals so they can force their own personal morals on the rest of the country?

If everyone except child molesters can agree that child molesting is wrong, then why don't their other "morals" receive such wide support? Why try to force them on people who don't agree with them?

I finally found the right religion for me. I'm an evangelical.

I love this guy. He’s a real Christian

Jeffress leads a 12,000-member megachurch in Dallas and is a frequent guest on Fox News. He may be best known for his frequent condemnations of Mormonism as a cult.

He has also called Islam and Mormonism heresies "from the pit of hell," suggested that the Catholic church was led astray by Satan.

Jeffress has frequently denounced Islam, calling it an "evil religion" that "promotes pedophilia" because the Prophet Muhammed married a 9-year-old girl. He has also said that Mormons, Muslims and Hindus "worship a false god."

Trump's inauguration organizers chose Jeffress to preach and they said "Pastor Jeffress is a unifying figure representing a diverse spectrum of Americans. Any attempt to vilify this religious leader is deeply disappointing and misplaced."

"The inauguration and the people invited to pray at the inauguration speak to the values and the agenda of the incoming president.

Even though the service was private, Jeffress is an unusual choice to preach on Inauguration Day, an occasion when incoming presidents often try to unite the country's diverse religious and social strands.

Jeffress' beliefs about other faiths -- that they are heresies and will not result in salvation -- are shared by many evangelicals.

 

[talksalot]

Clinton was impeached for lying to Congress, not for any of his crimes against women. The Democrats eagerly elected, even put him on the ballot, knowing what an remorseful predator he is.

The Republicans didn't put Moore on the ballot knowing anything about those accusations (which are less than what Clinton is guilty of). Most politics is voting for the lessor of two evils, and Republicans should give up a seat to the dirty tactics of Democrats (withholding information until Moore was on the ballot).

Yea, well, how many right wing men lie to their wives about getting a blow job?

All?

Monica was 24 years old. They had an affair. It was none of our affair. The Clintons have been raked over the coals by the GOP ever since. Costing many, many tens of millions of tax payer money.

You know who should have been raked over the coals? Bush. For what he did to America, not to mention the Middle East debacle.

illinoisreview.typepad.com/.../2012/09/clintons-ignored-accusers.html
Slick Willy's accusers go way back to his college days. Nice try at deflection with the Iraq War though.