Republicans Black Americas True Friend

[Pheonixops]

I'd like to ask you A question. At this point in time, which party is more dangerous when it comes to civil liberties? The one that wants the government to control your elder's LIVES by way of rationing healthcare to them and fining you for not having health insurance or the guy saying he believes hardcore porn should be outlawed or the guy that says he wants to get rid of planned parenthood?

You and I are very much in agreement, but you seem to be willing to let the gov control your HEALTH and Well being just so you can put a middle finger up at the republicans for what you perceive as racism on their part. Bro, get over it, don't waste your vote on the libertarians this time around. Who gives a damn about racism once the ball gets rolling with Obamacare, everyone will be SCREWED. At least the repubs know we want it repealed and if they don't stick to what gets them elected they'll be screwed for a good 30-40 years. Snap out of it man, like I said, the lesser of the two evils is the republicans right now. Gary Johnson ain't going to be prez and the LP isn't viable. Prioritize for Pete's sake.

Don't take this the wrong way, I'm just surprised after how many times I've told you I am not a party man and this isn't about how great the republicans are but how they are the only viable choice at this point in time, you keep coming back saying things like I think they're pristine and shit.

Come on brother, seriously.

Both the republicans and democrats are dangerous to Civil Liberties, just look at the recent acts and their origins. Sorry but that's a silly assertion;doesn't the government already decide how much they will pay for certain procedures with Medicaid and Medicare??? No, I don't want some asshole telling what I can and cannot watch or "getting rid of planned parenthood", I'm surprised that someone like yourself who claims to be a Libertarian would prefer this "moral majority' crap that in essence WILL increase the size and scope GOVERNMENT.
Where did I ever state that I was "willing to let government control my HEALTH and well Being??? I'm not in favor of mandatory health insurance. But I am also not hysterical about it because I am not eating the shit trying to be fed to me by the republican shills. There probably are ways to get out of "Obamacare", so no I am not going to panic about it and make that a reason to vote for some republican asshole (Ron Paul exempted). No thanks!
Voting Libertarian is not a "wasted vote", that's more republican hyperbole and BULLSHIT that gets the sheeple to vote for them.
How will everyone be screwed "once the ball gets rolling with Obamacare"? How? They may be the lesser of two evils to people with the mindset that you have. I would NEVER want a pig like gingrich or a putz like santorum to be POTUS, Romney runs a close third to those assholes. I'd rather place my vote with Gary Johnson or Ron Paul over any "D" or "R", I don't need to "snap out" of anything.
Look at the above post, if you are not a republican party man, you are doing a good job impersonating one!

If the individual mandate is upheld, that means the government will be able to force you into pretty much any contract they deem necessary. That's not republican talking points, libertarians argue the same thing.

You are going to question my libertarianism? Lol! Libertarianism is about voluntary government not coercive force. The republicans didn't sign on to this shitty bill, which earns them my trust enough to vote for them on this issue alone. This bill FORCES every citizen to buy insurance whether they want to or not. That isn't a republican talking point, that's a plain fact, bro.

I can't think of anything less libertarian than that.

I agree, but I find the NDAA and PA a LOT more dangerous than the health care bill. Republicans originated the PA and Democrats originated the NDAA and BOTH parties signed on to the aforementioned acts................. I can't think of anything less Libertarian than those two acts. I'm definitely NOT defending "ObamaCare" but I am certainly not going to go into hysterical mode about it.

 

[LockeJaw]

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Watch this

 

[LockeJaw]

Both the republicans and democrats are dangerous to Civil Liberties, just look at the recent acts and their origins. Sorry but that's a silly assertion;doesn't the government already decide how much they will pay for certain procedures with Medicaid and Medicare??? No, I don't want some asshole telling what I can and cannot watch or "getting rid of planned parenthood", I'm surprised that someone like yourself who claims to be a Libertarian would prefer this "moral majority' crap that in essence WILL increase the size and scope GOVERNMENT.
Where did I ever state that I was "willing to let government control my HEALTH and well Being??? I'm not in favor of mandatory health insurance. But I am also not hysterical about it because I am not eating the shit trying to be fed to me by the republican shills. There probably are ways to get out of "Obamacare", so no I am not going to panic about it and make that a reason to vote for some republican asshole (Ron Paul exempted). No thanks!
Voting Libertarian is not a "wasted vote", that's more republican hyperbole and BULLSHIT that gets the sheeple to vote for them.
How will everyone be screwed "once the ball gets rolling with Obamacare"? How? They may be the lesser of two evils to people with the mindset that you have. I would NEVER want a pig like gingrich or a putz like santorum to be POTUS, Romney runs a close third to those assholes. I'd rather place my vote with Gary Johnson or Ron Paul over any "D" or "R", I don't need to "snap out" of anything.
Look at the above post, if you are not a republican party man, you are doing a good job impersonating one!

If the individual mandate is upheld, that means the government will be able to force you into pretty much any contract they deem necessary. That's not republican talking points, libertarians argue the same thing.

You are going to question my libertarianism? Lol! Libertarianism is about voluntary government not coercive force. The republicans didn't sign on to this shitty bill, which earns them my trust enough to vote for them on this issue alone. This bill FORCES every citizen to buy insurance whether they want to or not. That isn't a republican talking point, that's a plain fact, bro.

I can't think of anything less libertarian than that.

I agree, but I find the NDAA and PA a LOT more dangerous than the health care bill. Republicans originated the PA and Democrats originated the NDAA and BOTH parties signed on to the aforementioned acts................. I can't think of anything less Libertarian than those two acts. I'm definitely NOT defending "ObamaCare" but I am certainly not going to go into hysterical mode about it.

It isn't hysteria. It's justified trepidation. The NDAA and PA aren't half as bad as this bill, bro. Its a stepping stone to government controlled health care. Obama said it himself. What is more important than your health? Your health is you, brother. Ndaa and the PA you only need to worry about if you are trying to overthrow the government, still they are dangerous, but compared to your own autonomy, are you serious? I'll have what you're smoking and a line of white powder to accentuate it! All jokes aside, think about it.

 

[Pheonixops]

Hazards of the Individual Health Care Mandate
^ read that phoenixops

LOL, check this out......Bro. Let's check out some of "those" republican candidates:
" MR. GREGORY: Now, I know you’ve got big difference with what you call Obamacare. But back in 1993 on this program this is what you said about the individual mandate. Watch.
(Videotape, October 3, 1993)
REP. GINGRICH: I am for people, individuals–exactly like automobile insurance–individuals having health insurance and being required to have health insurance. And I am prepared to vote for a voucher system which will give individuals, on a sliding scale, a government subsidy so we insure that everyone as individuals have health insurance.
(End videotape)
MR. GREGORY: What you advocate there is precisely what President Obama did with his healthcare legislation, is it not?
REP. GINGRICH: No, it’s not precisely what he did.

REP. GINGRICH: Well, I agree that all of us have a responsibility to pay–help pay for health care. And, and I think that there are ways to do it that make most libertarians relatively happy. I’ve said consistently we ought to have some requirement that you either have health insurance or you post a bond…
MR. GREGORY: Mm-hmm.
REP. GINGRICH: …or in some way you indicate you’re going to be held accountable.
MR. GREGORY: But that is the individual mandate, is it not?
REP. GINGRICH: It’s a variation on it."

"The latest fad in health care reform is the "individual mandate" — a law that requires individuals to purchase health insurance and threatens punishment for those who don't. Massachusetts, under the governorship of presidential hopeful Mitt Romney, has already created a health care policy with an individual mandate as its centerpiece."

PolitiFact | Pro-Santorum super PAC ad says Gingrich supported individual mandates

Let's check out "brother" Santorum: "Rick Santorum supported the idea of “requir[ing] individuals to buy health insurance” when he ran for U.S. Senate in 1994, according to a local feature article comparing the candidates during that election cycle.

“Santorum and [his opponent] would require individuals to buy health insurance rather than forcing employers to pay for employee benefits,” The Morning Call (Pa.) reported in 1994. The Morning Call noted that Santorum had also called for a MediSave account and had opposed so-called “sin” taxes."

Rick Santorum, Individual-Mandate Fraud | The New Republic

"Had Michigan not been as close, the Democrats would have waited to spring this on us in the general election. Luckily we have it now and I hope Ohio voters are paying attention.

In July 2009, Mitt Romney wrote an op-ed in USA Today urging Barack Obama to usean individual mandate at the national level to control healthcare costs.

On the campaign trail now, Mitt Romney says the individual mandate is appropriate for Massachusetts, but not the nation. Repeatedly in debates, Romney has said he opposes a national individual mandate.

But back in 2009, as Barack Obama was formulating his healthcare vision for the country, Mitt Romney encouraged him publicly to use an individual mandate. In his op-ed, Governor Romney suggested that the federal government learn from Massachusetts how to make healthcare available for all. One of those things was “Using tax penalties, as we did, or tax credits, as others have proposed, encourages “free riders” to take responsibility for themselves rather than pass their medical costs on to others.”

Friends, if Mitt Romney is the nominee, we will be unable to fight Obama on an issue that 60% of Americans agree with us on."

So take your republican's are the saviors crap and well maybe you should re-examine your stance.

 

[LockeJaw]

Hazards of the Individual Health Care Mandate
^ read that phoenixops

LOL, check this out......Bro. Let's check out some of "those" republican candidates:
" MR. GREGORY: Now, I know you’ve got big difference with what you call Obamacare. But back in 1993 on this program this is what you said about the individual mandate. Watch.
(Videotape, October 3, 1993)
REP. GINGRICH: I am for people, individuals–exactly like automobile insurance–individuals having health insurance and being required to have health insurance. And I am prepared to vote for a voucher system which will give individuals, on a sliding scale, a government subsidy so we insure that everyone as individuals have health insurance.
(End videotape)
MR. GREGORY: What you advocate there is precisely what President Obama did with his healthcare legislation, is it not?
REP. GINGRICH: No, it’s not precisely what he did.

REP. GINGRICH: Well, I agree that all of us have a responsibility to pay–help pay for health care. And, and I think that there are ways to do it that make most libertarians relatively happy. I’ve said consistently we ought to have some requirement that you either have health insurance or you post a bond…
MR. GREGORY: Mm-hmm.
REP. GINGRICH: …or in some way you indicate you’re going to be held accountable.
MR. GREGORY: But that is the individual mandate, is it not?
REP. GINGRICH: It’s a variation on it."

"The latest fad in health care reform is the "individual mandate" — a law that requires individuals to purchase health insurance and threatens punishment for those who don't. Massachusetts, under the governorship of presidential hopeful Mitt Romney, has already created a health care policy with an individual mandate as its centerpiece."

PolitiFact | Pro-Santorum super PAC ad says Gingrich supported individual mandates

Let's check out "brother" Santorum: "Rick Santorum supported the idea of “requir[ing] individuals to buy health insurance” when he ran for U.S. Senate in 1994, according to a local feature article comparing the candidates during that election cycle.

“Santorum and [his opponent] would require individuals to buy health insurance rather than forcing employers to pay for employee benefits,” The Morning Call (Pa.) reported in 1994. The Morning Call noted that Santorum had also called for a MediSave account and had opposed so-called “sin” taxes."

Rick Santorum, Individual-Mandate Fraud | The New Republic

"Had Michigan not been as close, the Democrats would have waited to spring this on us in the general election. Luckily we have it now and I hope Ohio voters are paying attention.

In July 2009, Mitt Romney wrote an op-ed in USA Today urging Barack Obama to usean individual mandate at the national level to control healthcare costs.

On the campaign trail now, Mitt Romney says the individual mandate is appropriate for Massachusetts, but not the nation. Repeatedly in debates, Romney has said he opposes a national individual mandate.

But back in 2009, as Barack Obama was formulating his healthcare vision for the country, Mitt Romney encouraged him publicly to use an individual mandate. In his op-ed, Governor Romney suggested that the federal government learn from Massachusetts how to make healthcare available for all. One of those things was “Using tax penalties, as we did, or tax credits, as others have proposed, encourages “free riders” to take responsibility for themselves rather than pass their medical costs on to others.”

Friends, if Mitt Romney is the nominee, we will be unable to fight Obama on an issue that 60% of Americans agree with us on."

So take your republican's are the saviors crap and well maybe you should re-examine your stance.

Lol! I'm a law student bro. I know what I'm talking about. None of this stuff matters. And I'm not calling them saviours FFS! C'mon bruh. You're snatching up shit articles. I'm just going to leave it as this, you are defending obamacare by default and you can continue to, it's your right. I don't feel this discussion is worth my time or yours. You think it's hysterical to see it for what it is, I know what I know not only from reading the bill, but studying it hours at a time.

Trust Obama, bro.

 

[Pheonixops]

If the individual mandate is upheld, that means the government will be able to force you into pretty much any contract they deem necessary. That's not republican talking points, libertarians argue the same thing.

You are going to question my libertarianism? Lol! Libertarianism is about voluntary government not coercive force. The republicans didn't sign on to this shitty bill, which earns them my trust enough to vote for them on this issue alone. This bill FORCES every citizen to buy insurance whether they want to or not. That isn't a republican talking point, that's a plain fact, bro.

I can't think of anything less libertarian than that.

I agree, but I find the NDAA and PA a LOT more dangerous than the health care bill. Republicans originated the PA and Democrats originated the NDAA and BOTH parties signed on to the aforementioned acts................. I can't think of anything less Libertarian than those two acts. I'm definitely NOT defending "ObamaCare" but I am certainly not going to go into hysterical mode about it.

It isn't hysteria. It's justified trepidation. The NDAA and PA aren't half as bad as this bill, bro. Its a stepping stone to government controlled health care. Obama said it himself. What is more important than your health? Your health is you, brother. Ndaa and the PA you only need to worry about if you are trying to overthrow the government, still they are dangerous, but compared to your own autonomy, are you serious? I'll have what you're smoking and a line of white powder to accentuate it! All jokes aside, think about it.

I won't take your word for it (nothing personal) , that bullshit about "the PA and NDAA is nothing to worry about" sounds like an advocate for big government and civil liberties violations saying that stuff.
How is "ObamaCare" going to affect me??? " I'll have what you're smoking and a line of white powder to accentuate it! " I bet you will since the guys who you are supporting are big government health care mandate advocates themselves! WAKE UP BRO!!!

 

[Pheonixops]

Hazards of the Individual Health Care Mandate
^ read that phoenixops

LOL, check this out......Bro. Let's check out some of "those" republican candidates:
" MR. GREGORY: Now, I know you’ve got big difference with what you call Obamacare. But back in 1993 on this program this is what you said about the individual mandate. Watch.
(Videotape, October 3, 1993)
REP. GINGRICH: I am for people, individuals–exactly like automobile insurance–individuals having health insurance and being required to have health insurance. And I am prepared to vote for a voucher system which will give individuals, on a sliding scale, a government subsidy so we insure that everyone as individuals have health insurance.
(End videotape)
MR. GREGORY: What you advocate there is precisely what President Obama did with his healthcare legislation, is it not?
REP. GINGRICH: No, it’s not precisely what he did.

REP. GINGRICH: Well, I agree that all of us have a responsibility to pay–help pay for health care. And, and I think that there are ways to do it that make most libertarians relatively happy. I’ve said consistently we ought to have some requirement that you either have health insurance or you post a bond…
MR. GREGORY: Mm-hmm.
REP. GINGRICH: …or in some way you indicate you’re going to be held accountable.
MR. GREGORY: But that is the individual mandate, is it not?
REP. GINGRICH: It’s a variation on it."

"The latest fad in health care reform is the "individual mandate" — a law that requires individuals to purchase health insurance and threatens punishment for those who don't. Massachusetts, under the governorship of presidential hopeful Mitt Romney, has already created a health care policy with an individual mandate as its centerpiece."

PolitiFact | Pro-Santorum super PAC ad says Gingrich supported individual mandates

Let's check out "brother" Santorum: "Rick Santorum supported the idea of “requir[ing] individuals to buy health insurance” when he ran for U.S. Senate in 1994, according to a local feature article comparing the candidates during that election cycle.

“Santorum and [his opponent] would require individuals to buy health insurance rather than forcing employers to pay for employee benefits,” The Morning Call (Pa.) reported in 1994. The Morning Call noted that Santorum had also called for a MediSave account and had opposed so-called “sin” taxes."

Rick Santorum, Individual-Mandate Fraud | The New Republic

"Had Michigan not been as close, the Democrats would have waited to spring this on us in the general election. Luckily we have it now and I hope Ohio voters are paying attention.

In July 2009, Mitt Romney wrote an op-ed in USA Today urging Barack Obama to usean individual mandate at the national level to control healthcare costs.

On the campaign trail now, Mitt Romney says the individual mandate is appropriate for Massachusetts, but not the nation. Repeatedly in debates, Romney has said he opposes a national individual mandate.

But back in 2009, as Barack Obama was formulating his healthcare vision for the country, Mitt Romney encouraged him publicly to use an individual mandate. In his op-ed, Governor Romney suggested that the federal government learn from Massachusetts how to make healthcare available for all. One of those things was “Using tax penalties, as we did, or tax credits, as others have proposed, encourages “free riders” to take responsibility for themselves rather than pass their medical costs on to others.”

Friends, if Mitt Romney is the nominee, we will be unable to fight Obama on an issue that 60% of Americans agree with us on."

So take your republican's are the saviors crap and well maybe you should re-examine your stance.

Lol! I'm a law student bro. I know what I'm talking about. None of this stuff matters. And I'm not calling them saviours FFS! C'mon bruh. You're snatching up shit articles. I'm just going to leave it as this, you are defending obamacare by default and you can continue to, it's your right. I don't feel this discussion is worth my time or yours. You think it's hysterical to see it for what it is, I know what I know not only from reading the bill, but studying it hours at a time.

Trust Obama, bro.

LOL, thanks for the laugh!!!! How does the FACT that the TOP THREE republican candidates supported INDIVIDUAL MANDATES "not matter"? How does the FACT that Romney the REPUBLICAN FRONT RUNNER stated this: "But back in 2009, as Barack Obama was formulating his healthcare vision for the country, Mitt Romney encouraged him publicly to use an individual mandate.[/B] In his op-ed, Governor Romney suggested that the federal government learn from Massachusetts how to make healthcare available for all. One of those things was “Using tax penalties, as we did, or tax credits, as others have proposed, encourages “free riders” to take responsibility for themselves rather than pass their medical costs on to others.”, how does that NOT MATTER unless you truly are a "party guy"??? I'm not "snatching up shit articles, I'm presenting data so one can make a more informed and intelligent decision.

FOR THE RECORD: I am against Obamacare.

 

[LockeJaw]

I agree, but I find the NDAA and PA a LOT more dangerous than the health care bill. Republicans originated the PA and Democrats originated the NDAA and BOTH parties signed on to the aforementioned acts................. I can't think of anything less Libertarian than those two acts. I'm definitely NOT defending "ObamaCare" but I am certainly not going to go into hysterical mode about it.

It isn't hysteria. It's justified trepidation. The NDAA and PA aren't half as bad as this bill, bro. Its a stepping stone to government controlled health care. Obama said it himself. What is more important than your health? Your health is you, brother. Ndaa and the PA you only need to worry about if you are trying to overthrow the government, still they are dangerous, but compared to your own autonomy, are you serious? I'll have what you're smoking and a line of white powder to accentuate it! All jokes aside, think about it.

I won't take your word for it (nothing personal) , that bullshit about "the PA and NDAA is nothing to worry about" sounds like an advocate for big government and civil liberties violations saying that stuff.
How is "ObamaCare" going to affect me??? " I'll have what you're smoking and a line of white powder to accentuate it! " I bet you will since the guys who you are supporting are big government health care mandate advocates themselves! WAKE UP BRO!!!

Never personal my man. We can agree to disagree. I don't advocate for big government. Its hard to get your point across in text like this, I'm proud of and support the information campaigns of both Johnson and Ron Paul. I'm simply being a realist, in my opinion. No reason for hard feelings. We plain just don't agree on the methods, I don't want to damage a chance at one day tippin a few with you at a bar, I think I'd like to do that if you're ever out my way or v/v.

Let's leave it alone. If you want to chat about something else, man, I'm all for it.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Republicans Black Americas True Friend

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